Burger King employee has it his way, fatally punches a customer - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Snapzies;26615769]Wrong, faggot. If you so much as shove someone else and they retaliate, their retaliation is self defence. Sources : My dad's a fucking cop.[/QUOTE] My father is an engineer, you think just because he's my dad I know exactly everything about engineering? No you're argument is invalid also no reason to bring hostility into the conversation. It will be proper to consider: 1. The extent of the right of self-defence. 2. By whom it may be exercised. 3. Against whom. 4. For what causes. As to the extent of the right: First, when threatened violence exists, it is the duty of the person threatened to use all prudent and precautionary measures to prevent the attack; for example, if by closing a door which was usually left open, one could prevent an attack, it would be prudent, and perhaps the law might require, that it should be closed in order to preserve the peace, and the aggressor might in such case be held to bail for his good behaviour. Secondly, if after having taken such proper precautions, a party should be assailed, he may undoubtedly repel force by force, but in most instances cannot, under the pretext that he has been attacked, use force enough to kill the assailant or hurt him after he has secured himself from danger; such as if a person unarmed enters a house to commit a larceny, while there he does not threaten any one, nor does any act which manifests an intention to hurt any one, and there are a number of persons present who may easily secure him, no one will be justifiable to do him any injury, much less to kill him; he ought to be secured and delivered to the public authorities. But when an attack is made by a thief under such circumstances, and it is impossible to ascertain to what extent he may push it, the law does not requite the party assailed to weigh with great nicety the probable extent of the attack, and he may use the most violent means against his assailant, even to the taking of his life. For homicide may be excused where a man has no other probable means of preserving his life from one who attacks him while in the commission of a felony, or even on a sudden quarrel he beats him, so that he is reduced to this inevitable necessity. And the reason is that when so reduced, he cannot call to his aid the power of society or of the commonwealth, and being unprotected by law, he reassumes his natural rights which the law sanctions, of killing his adversary to protect himself. Source :[url]http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d030.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=G12-A5;26616001]My father is an engineer, you think just because he's my dad I know exactly everything about engineering? No you're argument is invalid also no reason to bring hostility into the conversation.[/QUOTE] Maybe he asked his dad about it?

Age does not excuse your actions. You swing at someone, expect them to swing back. As for his death, I highly doubt the employee planned a punch to his jaw thrusting his dentures (how did he know he had dentures?) into the back of his thoat where he dropped down and chokes to death. Old man had it coming, employee defended himself. I doubt he'll even get manslaughter for this as it was purely accidental and not intentional in anyway. He's obviously fired yes, but self defence is self defence.

[QUOTE=darksoul69;26603626]The old man died. He's fired, and probably going to jail for a long time. Even if the guy died choking on his dentures, the employee is still indirectly responsible for his death.[/QUOTE] To the people who rated this man disagree: [quote] As to the extent of the right: First, when threatened violence exists, it is the duty of the person threatened to use all prudent and precautionary measures to prevent the attack; for example, if by closing a door which was usually left open, one could prevent an attack, it would be prudent, and perhaps the law might require, that it should be closed in order to preserve the peace, and the aggressor might in such case be held to bail for his good behaviour. Secondly, if after having taken such proper precautions, a party should be assailed, he may undoubtedly repel force by force, [b]but in most instances cannot, under the pretext that he has been attacked, use force enough to kill the assailant or hurt him after he has secured himself from danger[/b]; such as if a person unarmed enters a house to commit a larceny, while there he does not threaten any one, nor does any act which manifests an intention to hurt any one, and there are a number of persons present who may easily secure him, no one will be justifiable to do him any injury, much less to kill him; he ought to be secured and delivered to the public authorities. But when an attack is made by a thief under such circumstances, and it is impossible to ascertain to what extent he may push it, the law does not requite the party assailed to weigh with great nicety the probable extent of the attack, and he may use the most violent means against his assailant, even to the taking of his life. For homicide may be excused where a man has no other probable means of preserving his life from one who attacks him while in the commission of a felony, or even on a sudden quarrel he beats him, so that he is reduced to this inevitable necessity. And the reason is that when so reduced, he cannot call to his aid the power of society or of the commonwealth, and being unprotected by law, he reassumes his natural rights which the law sanctions, of killing his adversary to protect himself. [/quote]

[QUOTE=Helix Alioth;26616943]To the people who rated this man disagree:[/QUOTE] It was a punch. The employee isn't mike fucking tyson. Death resulting in a one hit knock out is purely accidental. He used force necessary to stop his attacker. That force did in fact stop his attacker. What resulted afterwards was bad luck.

[QUOTE=Spacewolf;26603808]Ah, good point, let's just let old people commit crimes with no penalty.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Helix Alioth;26616943]To the people who rated this man disagree:[/QUOTE] Too bad he didn't punch him purposefully so hard that it broke his life, he died from something out of his control.

Oh man.

[QUOTE=Crimor;26616016]Maybe he asked his dad about it?[/QUOTE] I did. And good for your father being an engineer. Maybe you should pay attention to what he does and ask him a few questions? Bet you anything it'll make his day, being able to do more then just his job.

This is why we need to burn old peoples sticks.

As has been said several times, just because he was old doesn't mean he was helpless, frail, or weak. Hell several years back my grandpa who was I believe seventy-something at the time beat the shit out of a bunch of teenagers.

My grandfather was a physicist and an engineer, and Jesus Christ was he a strong dude. [editline]11th December 2010[/editline] He biked to work 6 miles every day 'til the day he died from cancer.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;26603590]self defense doesn't justify killing an old man.................[/QUOTE] Being foreign doesn't justify spamming dots.

I feel terrible because I laughed when I read that he choked on his dentures, then I realized what a horrible thing that would be. :smith:

Yeah that guy is definitely friered. :v:

Oh boy this again. seriously, unless you are some scrawny, pissant little motherfucker, you shouldn't need to hit somebody who is smaller and weaker than you, even if they struck or attempted to strike you. It's just in poor taste and shows lousy judgment, just because they showed poor judgment, doesn't mean you need to clock them back into the stone-age. For a guy that old a hard punch will do irreparable amounts of damage, if he hadn't choked on his denchers, he'd probably still be in for a long hospital trip and a long and painful recovery.

[quote] OP x75 Funny[/quote] What the fuck.

What if the old man happen to be built like Sylvester Stallone?

People at the age of 70 would already be dead if it weren't for modern medicine, the human body is not really meant to go over the age of 50. Old people have very frail bones, easily damaged tendons, and worn-out muscles. Simply tripping can be enough to kill or seriously inure an average old person. Unlike people from ages 1-30, the metabolism is very slow, injuries are easily caused and slowly repaired. Punching a guy this old is generally enough to kill them or cause a permanent injury. Unless they are waving a gun in your face, there's no just cause to hit them that hard. Even an old guy like this punching you, he'd probably do more damage to his hand and arm than he'd do to you. You'd likely heal in a matter of days, whereas his injuries would likely remain with him for the rest of his life.

[QUOTE=Pasalaqcua;26603904]A 67 year old man, what damage could he really do?[/QUOTE] Epic Beard Man is 67, and he did some damage to that one guy. Although I suppose he's not the best example, as the guy he beat up was 50.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26628693]Oh boy this again. seriously, unless you are some scrawny, pissant little motherfucker, you shouldn't need to hit somebody who is smaller and weaker than you, even if they struck or attempted to strike you. It's just in poor taste and shows lousy judgment, just because they showed poor judgment, doesn't mean you need to clock them back into the stone-age. For a guy that old a hard punch will do irreparable amounts of damage, if he hadn't choked on his denchers, he'd probably still be in for a long hospital trip and a long and painful recovery.[/QUOTE] How do you know the old guy was weaker and/or shorter than the BK employee?

That's funny, a person wanted to punch me in the face today, because some one else made their burger badly, god I hate people.

It seems pretty obvious to me. He defended himself. The older gentleman died. It wasn't intentional - it's a tragedy to be sure, but locking away a young man who defended himself for the mistake of a much older temperamental asshole is not justice. The people who are saying "he shouldn't have punched back" or "oh he should have just taken the abuse it's just an old guy lol" are clearly incapable of putting themselves in someone else shoes and have NO idea what it is like to have someone swing at you full force. He's just a 20 year old kid working at BK. That could easily be like half the people on this forum. What if you were in his situation? The guy's 67 year's old and for him to be hitting someone much younger than him like that, he's old enough to know the consequences. Nobody has fucking business walking into a fast food joint and hitting the employees - NOBODY. People blaming the 20 year old are acting like the old guy is some innocent faun with zero accountability. That's not how the world works.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26629004]People at the age of 70 would already be dead if it weren't for modern medicine, the human body is not really meant to go over the age of 50. Old people have very frail bones, easily damaged tendons, and worn-out muscles. Simply tripping can be enough to kill or seriously inure an average old person. Unlike people from ages 1-30, the metabolism is very slow, injuries are easily caused and slowly repaired. Punching a guy this old is generally enough to kill them or cause a permanent injury. Unless they are waving a gun in your face, there's no just cause to hit them that hard. Even an old guy like this punching you, he'd probably do more damage to his hand and arm than he'd do to you. You'd likely heal in a matter of days, whereas his injuries would likely remain with him for the rest of his life.[/QUOTE] Hyperbole everywhere. My grandad is over 80 and is strong as a motherfucker, tripping over would [I]not[/I] kill or maim him. If someone throws a punch at you, you are under threat of violence and have every right to retaliate.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;26603776]He's 67 years old. Unless he was a Ranger during WWII or Vietnam, his punches aren't going to be doing any damage.[/QUOTE] Maybe he was like this guy: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdDVc6pMdbQ[/media]

[QUOTE=johnT447;26603523]self defence still wouldn't hit an old man[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsE/5108-28290.gif[/img] "You calling me weak, punk?" [editline]13th December 2010[/editline] :ninja:

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;26604465]The old man strikes Urist Mcburgerman but the blow glances away! [B]Urist Mcburgerman strikes the Old man in the head jamming the skull through the brain![/B] [B]The Old man has been struck down! [/B]I think of work in a fast food joint as DF, with employees as dorfs and the customers as invaders.[/QUOTE] Fixed.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;26603590]self defense doesn't justify killing an old man.................[/QUOTE] You say that like he climbed ontop of him then beat him to death with a tray. If someone swings at you, you swing back.