[QUOTE=Episode;44860227]Yeah, if you shoot him during the robbery, rather than shooting him when he's horribly harming others (cutting, shooting, etc)[/QUOTE]
I want to remind you that this is a burrito shop. These places have practices in place to limit the amount of money that is available. If you're stupid enough to think robbing a burrito shop is smart, you'll get away with like, 300 bucks at most.
It's far from a likely place to be robbed.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;44860079]You really shouldn't have to ask your customers to do this.[/QUOTE]
I agree. It should be common sense to leave your weapons outside
[quote]Chipotle said the guns caused "many of our customers anxiety and discomfort".[/quote]
this, this is what i think every gun nut doesn't understand when they lug around enough firepower to put down a small uprising in public, people are not comfortable around guns and even more uncomfortable relying on the sanity of the guy carrying the weapons to NOT unload them on people
[QUOTE=Viva;44860517]I want to remind you that this is a burrito shop. These places have practices in place to limit the amount of money that is available. If you're stupid enough to think robbing a burrito shop is smart, you'll get away with like, 300 bucks at most.
It's far from a likely place to be robbed.[/QUOTE]
Let me tell you what, people will rob anything if the opportunity is there. People rob gas stations and get $100. $300 is a damn good prize for a robber.
[QUOTE=Sableye;44860583]this, this is what i think every gun nut doesn't understand when they lug around enough firepower to put down a small uprising in public, people are not comfortable around guns and even more uncomfortable relying on the sanity of the guy carrying the weapons to NOT unload them on people[/QUOTE]
This lack of comfort comes from fear mongering by the anti-gun people. It used to be common practice to see guns all around you in public.
Also, that reason is BS politics anyway. They changed the policy because of political pressure by an anti-gun group backed by Michael Bloomberg.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;44860598]Let me tell you what, people will rob anything if the opportunity is there. People rob gas stations and get $100. $300 is a damn good prize for a robber.[/QUOTE]
Chipotle rarely if ever places their stores in neighborhoods where this is likely. Gas stations and convenience stores that get robbed are typically in more crime ridden areas. Very very rarely are they committed in more reformed/upscale areas. I don't know about you, but i've never seen a chipotle in the ghetto.
Is it impossible for a chipotle to get robbed? No, anythings possible. Is it likely that a chipotle will get robbed? not really, no.
It's not worth the risk and the only kind of person who'd actually take the risk is someone who is so down on their luck that they are desperate, in which case there's a multitude of other places that'd be around a chipotle that offer less security, less cameras, less crowds, and high rewards.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44859778]yeah and if you yell "FUCK" in a restaurant they're going to ask you to leave.[/QUOTE]
what if you have tourettes
similarly what if you have a shaky trigger finger and a broken safety
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860644]It used to be common practice to see guns all around you public.[/QUOTE]
hahahaha
[QUOTE=Andokool12;44860661]hahahaha[/QUOTE]
I'm less worried about someone with an open carry permit than I am about a random dude on the street.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;44860648]what if you have tourettes
similarly what if you have a shaky trigger finger and a broken safety[/QUOTE]
only like 10-15% of people with tourettes have any verbal symptoms, and not everyone with verbal symptoms swears. realistically if you have a medical disorder then that's one thing, but if you're just brandishing a weapon for the sake of making people angry/scared then that's another.
[editline]20th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860672]I'm less worried about someone with an open carry permit than I am about a random dude on the street.[/QUOTE]
im scared of all human interaction, what if they want to rob me?
[editline]20th May 2014[/editline]
cant trust anybody, not even my own shadow.
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860644]It used to be common practice to see guns all around you in public.[/QUOTE]
Where and when was that common?
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860672]I'm less worried about someone with an open carry permit than I am about a random dude on the street.[/QUOTE]
You're less worried than a person with a gun than a random dude with none?
Interesting, tell me why
[QUOTE=Sitkero;44860688]Where and when was that common?[/QUOTE]
Never. I bet he'll cite the wild west, but even stated above it was common practice even for frontier towns to bar weapons from being allowed in town.
[QUOTE=2ft;44859652]It makes sense for them not wanting people bringing guns into the restaurant.[/QUOTE]
I hope it includes the police aswell.
Would a rifle be practical for self defence? It seems it would be really unwieldy compared to a pistol, especially indoors.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44860691]You're less worried than a person with a gun than a random dude with none?
Interesting, tell me why[/QUOTE]
People with ill intent will attempt to hide their illegal firearms until they intend to use it.
[editline]20th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cyberdan;44860722]Would a rifle be practical for self defence? It seems it would be really unwieldy compared to a pistol, especially indoors.[/QUOTE]
They were coming from a gun event. This is not how they normally walk around.
As a gun owner, I really hate these "muh freedums open carry muh AR-15 everywhere" idiots.
[QUOTE=Cyberdan;44860722]Would a rifle be practical for self defence? It seems it would be really unwieldy compared to a pistol, especially indoors.[/QUOTE]
Shotgun maybe, pistols yes. Rifles no. Most of your rifles are likely just going to go through a person, go through the wall and into your neighbors house.
Holy shit america what the fuck is wrong with you
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860725]People with ill intent will attempt to hide their illegal firearms until they intend to use it.[/QUOTE]
How do you distinguish someone that doesn't open carry from being a friendly to a person with ill intent in public?
Do you walk around always checking people's hips to see if they're hiding something there?
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860644]This lack of comfort comes from fear mongering by the anti-gun people. It used to be common practice to see guns all around you in public.
Also, that reason is BS politics anyway. They changed the policy because of political pressure by an anti-gun group backed by Michael Bloomberg.[/QUOTE]
its not about fear mongering, its simply people don't trust each other, and when one has overwelming firepower, theres even more incentive to mistrust each other
also where are you getting that people used to all have guns? stop watching westerns. people had guns like riffles for hunting and carried them around but those don't compair to the wide array of self-defense weapons that are meant specifically to take down other people. yes a hunting riffle will kill people, but it has another purpose for being there, its all about context
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44860761]How do you distinguish someone that doesn't open carry from being a friendly to a person with ill intent in public?
Do you walk around always checking people's hips to see if they're hiding something there?[/QUOTE]
People with ill intent simply never openly carry a firearm (barring gang violence, but that's a completely different field). That's a great way to draw attention to oneself, which a criminal never wants.
[editline]20th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sableye;44860795]its not about fear mongering, its simply people don't trust each other, and when one has overwelming firepower, theres even more incentive to mistrust each other[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is fear mongering. There is literally zero statistical reason to fear a gun openly carried around in a non-gang related situation. A fear of driving a car would be more legitimate.
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860801]People with ill intent simply never openly carry a firearm (barring gang violence, but that's a completely different field). That's a great way to draw attention to oneself, which a criminal never wants.[/QUOTE]
I feel like you dodged the question, so I'll ask again, how do you know if one is with ill intentions and one who isn't in public? Obviously one with ill intentions won't carry a gun around for everyone to see. You say you'd trust a person without open carry less, how do you figure out a person with a gun hiding under his shirt and one who isn't?
[QUOTE]A fear of driving a car would be more legitimate.[/QUOTE]
oh enough of this already, it's been discussed through every other thread
I feel like there's a pretty big difference between openly carrying an AR and having a concealed handgun.
Where I live open carry is allowed, but extremely rare to actually see. The first time I saw someone with a visible handgun I wasn't aware that it was legal in my area - it was more than a little disconcerting.
Why hasn't anyone posted a picture of the type of thing they are talking about yet?
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoA8k96IUAAJodY.jpg[/img]
[editline]May 20[/editline]
That is a Chipotle restaurant, and that is what they were referring to when they said "assault-style weapons"
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860801]
Yes, it is fear mongering. There is literally zero statistical reason to fear a gun openly carried around in a non-gang related situation. A fear of driving a car would be more legitimate.[/QUOTE]
i'm sorry but i'm not desensitised to guns, i know how much damage they can do, ive blown up cans with .22's i don't want to worry about getting hit with anything bigger also personal defense weapons tend to have ammunition thats designed to absolutely destroy the body, they [B]are[/B] dangerous not because they are guns but because of what they can do which is to kill or critically injure people
according to that logic, people might as well carry around fissible amounts of plutonium or nitroglycerin because to be afraid of them would be just fear mongering
[QUOTE=Sableye;44860864]i'm sorry but i'm not desensitised to guns, i know how much damage they can do, ive blown up cans with .22's i don't want to worry about getting hit with anything bigger also personal defense weapons tend to have ammunition thats designed to absolutely destroy the body, they [B]are[/B] dangerous not because they are guns but because of what they can do which is to kill or critically injure people
according to that logic, people might as well carry around fissible amounts of plutonium or nitroglycerin because to be afraid of them would be just fear mongering[/QUOTE]
Cars can do just as much damage. Do you fear cars while walking on the sidewalk? Of course not, because the intent is what matters, not the tool.
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860801]Yes, it is fear mongering. There is literally zero statistical reason to fear a gun openly carried around in a non-gang related situation. A fear of driving a car would be more legitimate.[/QUOTE]
I would contend that substantially fewer people openly carry guns than drive cars - and as such reasonable data necessary to compare the two probably doesn't exist. Openly carrying an AR, or rather any gun which can't be properly holstered is always going to be (reasonably so) seen as aggressive.
I'm very much for gun rights, but it's not unreasonable to ask people to leave large weapons in their vehicles.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;44860920]I would contend that substantially fewer people openly carry guns than drive cars - and as such reasonable data necessary to compare the two probably doesn't exist. Openly carrying an AR, or rather any gun which can't be properly holstered is always going to be (reasonably so) seen as aggressive.[/QUOTE]
Do you have any evidence that it's at all statistically significant that someone with a carry permit will shoot someone out of something other than self-defense?
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860801]Yes, it is fear mongering. There is literally zero statistical reason to fear a gun openly carried around in a non-gang related situation. A fear of driving a car would be more legitimate.[/QUOTE]
Statistically speaking, I'm safer in an active warzone than I am on an American freeway
For some odd reason I'm still not very comfortable with going to an active warzone
[QUOTE=Sitkero;44860934]Statistically speaking, I'm safer in an active warzone than I am on an American freeway
For some odd reason I'm still not very comfortable with going to an active warzone[/QUOTE]
If your sense of safety doesn't come from the likelihood of being hurt, then I'm not sure what it is coming from.
I guess feeling safe is more important than being safe.
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