[QUOTE=sgman91;44860930]Do you have any evidence that it's at all statistically significant that someone with a carry permit will shoot someone out of something other than self-defense?[/QUOTE]
My point is that open carry is such a rare thing (especially compared to people driving) that I doubt any relevant statistical data exists. If someone were to walk around with a machete in a restaurant it would make people uncomfortable even knowing that the large knife is very useful and not likely to be used as a weapon. Having a machete out in the open is simply a silly thing to be doing, in much the same way that having an AR in a Chipotle is.
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yeah chipotle is a rough place you never know when ur gonna need ur .22!!
seriously these are the type of people who feel the need to bring rifles to fucking [B]chipotle[/B], I actually hope they get arrested for being autistic attention whores
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;44860987]My point is that open carry is such a rare thing (especially compared to people driving) that I doubt any relevant statistical data exists. If someone were to walk around with a machete in a restaurant it would make people uncomfortable even knowing that the large knife is very useful and not likely to be used as a weapon. Having a machete out in the open is simply a silly thing to be doing, in much the same way that having an AR in a Chipotle is.[/QUOTE]
Did you even read the article? They were coming from a gun event and asked the manager beforehand if them coming to the Chipotle would be alright. It isn't like these people always walk around with rifles on their backs and just stormed in out of nowhere, forcing themselves on nice unsuspecting restaurant goers.
I would be the first person to agree that carrying around anything more than a handgun on a regular basis is ridiculous and unnecessary.
have you ever been robbed, shot, stabbed etc. sgman91?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44861043]have you ever been robbed, shot, stabbed etc. sgman91?[/QUOTE]
I've had my car broken into, my aunt was robbed at knifepoint, and my next door neighbor had his house vandalized. Luckily I've been blessed to not have been personally attacked.
Oh, and the people across the street from my house are regular criminals. They've been arrested many times. It seems like a police car/ambulance (drug related injuries)/etc. is sitting in front of their house at least twice a year.
yes you need an AR-15 on ur back walking around town in order to defend yourself right?
or you could have a concealed sidearm like a normal human being if you really think you need it. my guess is though these people are less concerned with protection than attention
[QUOTE=sgman91;44861006]Did you even read the article? They were coming from a gun event and asked the manager beforehand if them coming to the Chipotle would be alright. It isn't like these people always walk around with rifles on their backs and just stormed in out of nowhere, forcing themselves on nice unsuspecting restaurant goers.
I would be the first person to agree that carrying around anything more than a handgun on a regular basis is ridiculous and unnecessary.[/QUOTE]
Were they walking from an event center immediately adjacent to the restaurant? Otherwise it still strikes me as being a bit absurd to not simply leave the weapons in the trunk of a vehicle out of sight.
It seemed as though you were trying to argue in favor of people having open carry regardless of the type of weapon on a purely rational basis (an idea in conflict with human nature).
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860801]People with ill intent simply never openly carry a firearm[/QUOTE]
They do if they're mentally ill
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860919]Cars can do just as much damage. Do you fear cars while walking on the sidewalk? Of course not, because the intent is what matters, not the tool.[/QUOTE]
actually i do, but its much harder to fuck up with a car and kill someone when they're following the speed limit and not intoxicated.
given a choice between having a .45 pointed at my face and a revving ferrari going to ram me, i'd rather take the car, because i might live where as the .45 will just kill me
cars aren't designed to kill, infact they are designed to save lives, which is why people aren't terrified at the sight of cars.
the same reason people are more scared of sharks versus vending machines, despite the fact that vending machines are the greater killer.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;44860852]Why hasn't anyone posted a picture of the type of thing they are talking about yet?
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoA8k96IUAAJodY.jpg[/img]
[editline]May 20[/editline]
That is a Chipotle restaurant, and that is what they were referring to when they said "assault-style weapons"[/QUOTE]
This guy looks like he came straight from /k/.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;44860852]Why hasn't anyone posted a picture of the type of thing they are talking about yet?
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoA8k96IUAAJodY.jpg[/img]
[editline]May 20[/editline]
That is a Chipotle restaurant, and that is what they were referring to when they said "assault-style weapons"[/QUOTE]
That poor SKS.
[QUOTE=Asgard;44859662]If somebody really wants to shoot people up, they'll find a way, laws or not. This is about customers feeling save inside the restaurants. Not everybody feels comfortable around guns, safely carried or not.[/QUOTE]
Most people [i]don't[/i]
For any of those who may be curious, Open Carry in Texas is restricted solely to long guns. You can't legally open carry a handgun in Texas, but you can carry an AR, AK, Mosin, etc. Personally, no matter the situation, open carrying a long gun is only going to cause issues. I'm not against open carry, but there are too many soccer moms who panic at the sight of an AR-15.
Around here, open carrying handguns is not uncommon at all. Very few places even prevent people from carrying. The few exceptions are large corporate chains that originate from out-of-state like AMC theaters for example. Open carry even carries large support from state law here. Last year an NOPD officer detained an open carrier in a Whole Foods market. Long story short, the officer got crucified by a judge and the open carrier received a $75,000 settlement for being illegally detained, humiliated, and a couple of other things.
Good thing I [b]conceal[/b] carry. And being a conceal carry person, I do think open carry comes off more threatening than anything. Why create an uneasy situation for everyone else? At least my pistol is hidden away under my shirt...
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;44861535]For any of those who may be curious, Open Carry in Texas is restricted solely to long guns. You can't legally open carry a handgun in Texas, but you can carry an AR, AK, Mosin, etc. Personally, no matter the situation, open carrying a long gun is only going to cause issues. I'm not against open carry, but there are too many soccer moms who panic at the sight of an AR-15.
Around here, open carrying handguns is not uncommon at all. Very few places even prevent people from carrying. The few exceptions are large corporate chains that originate from out-of-state like AMC theaters for example. Open carry even carries large support from state law here. Last year an NOPD officer detained an open carrier in a Whole Foods market. Long story short, the officer got crucified by a judge and the open carrier received a $75,000 settlement for being illegally detained, humiliated, and a couple of other things.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget the Gonzales police a few years ago got crucified for arresting someone for open carrying at the Tanger Outlet Mall. Police here can't tell you that you can't open carry, only the property owner can.
If people open carry without magazines, it'd probably ease off a lot of stress with certain groups of people. At least in my experience, most people could give less than two shits if you carry without any magazine in the firearm. They start to get worried when they see people walking around with 30 rounders and drums on board though.
I cannot fathom how someone can think it's okay to carry guns in public at all.
Everyone who supports that is not mentally healthy.
[quote]no background checks or training are required to buy semi-automatic rifles and carry them openly in public[/quote]
Woah woah woah, what the fuck? I'll admit I never looked into the details of buying guns in America, but is this seriously how it is in some states? How does this NOT sound like a terrible fucking idea? background checks, or at least fucking TRAINING should be required to have a device that can easily kill someone.
[QUOTE=Ziirxia;44861983]I cannot fathom how someone can think it's okay to carry guns in public at all.
Everyone who supports that is not mentally healthy.[/QUOTE]
I agree! How dare cops carry guns in public!
[QUOTE=alastorL;44861990]Woah woah woah, what the fuck? I'll admit I never looked into the details of buying guns in America, but is this seriously how it is? How does this NOT sound like a terrible fucking idea? background checks, or at least fucking TRAINING should be required to have a device that can easily kill someone.[/QUOTE]
Because it's a fear mongering lie. All firearm purchases through a dealer are required to have a background check. Concealed carry has the requirement of training courses. The only time you don't need either is if you're buying a gun from another individual.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44862014]I agree! How dare cops carry guns in public!
Because it's a fear mongering lie. All firearm purchases through a dealer are required to have a background check. Concealed carry has the requirement of training courses. The only time you don't need either is if you're buying a gun from another individual.[/QUOTE]
Thus, the gun show loophole.
[QUOTE=alastorL;44861990]Woah woah woah, what the fuck? I'll admit I never looked into the details of buying guns in America, but is this seriously how it is? How does this NOT sound like a terrible fucking idea? background checks, or at least fucking TRAINING should be required to have a device that can easily kill someone.[/QUOTE]
Almost all firearm purchases require a 4473, which is a background check.
The reason open carry isn't given that much shit outside of people going, "omg so scary" is because of the exact reason you have more gun crimes committed by handguns. One is slung over your shoulder in open view, the other can be hidden in your pants or jacket.
Open Carry of long arms(rifles/shotguns) isn't a big deal so long as the gun isn't loaded. The guys who OC to pick fights are an issue, but they are not breaking any laws outside of possibly wasting everyone's goddamn time.
If you really feel that you need to carry a gun everywhere (and I respect your right to do so), then at least carry it concealed.
I don't know why you would want to announce to the world that you are carrying a firearm. I've gone on camping trips with close friends who [b]know me[/b] and know that I'm a stable, nonviolent individual, and even then it made them uncomfortable. Imagine what total strangers might think of you, leaving out the fact that any maniac is going to gun for you first if they see you open-carrying.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44862033]Thus, the gun show loophole.[/QUOTE]
All gun show tables are required to report the firearms they sold. It's a non-issue.
whelp, its one of those threads again
[video=youtube;hXqgI1fZDjE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXqgI1fZDjE[/video]
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44862061]All gun show tables are required to report the firearms they sold. It's a non-issue.[/QUOTE]
That sounds good in theory, but the person is still walking off with a gun that day.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44862033]Thus, the gun show loophole.[/QUOTE]
clearly you havent been to a gun show in a while
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[QUOTE=Ziirxia;44861983]I cannot fathom how someone can think it's okay to carry guns in public at all.
Everyone who supports that is not mentally healthy.[/QUOTE]
<- Be 25, married, have a good job, have a house, have two newer cars ect.
You're right, I must be pretty mentally unstable.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44862094]That sounds good in theory, but the person is still walking off with a gun that day.[/QUOTE]
As mentioned by TimeBomb, almost all gun shows require you to do a background check, either coming in or going out. Not to mention you have one of your arms stamped, and you are requested to show ID.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;44862129]here in texas, all the gunshows i've been to just have the police look at you (literally, thats it), pay for your ticket, get your arm stamped, and thats it[/QUOTE]
Well shit. Arizona and North Dakota must take it the extra nine yards then.
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