• Chipotle: "Leave your guns outside, please."
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[QUOTE=Timebomb575;44862096]clearly you havent been to a gun show in a while [img]http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/2JEKF1H46x2Qyzp8zCuwXw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/theticket/820833-1.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Interesting, I never realized how many people at gun shows were licensed. Thanks for steering me in the right direction.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;44862129]here in texas, all the gunshows i've been to just have the police look at you (literally, thats it), pay for your ticket, get your arm stamped, and thats it[/QUOTE] is that just to enter or when you actually buy a gun? generally when you buy the gun is when they make you do the background check/paperwork
I think open carry is stupid and disturbing in public places, but concealed carry has a much higher potential to be dangerous. I think it's unlikely anyone who wants to commit a crime (unless it was literally shooting up a college etc.) would brandish a weapon openly. Just my thoughts though.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44862170]Interesting, I never realized how many people at gun shows were licensed. Thanks for steering me in the right direction.[/QUOTE] The ones I go to here in louisiana, the whole thing is all licensed dealers, with maybe 2 or 3 tables of non-licensed private sellers selling collectible rifles/revolvers with intricate engraving and such. Gun shows aren't a "gun flea market" like a lot of people think they are.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44862196]The ones I go to here in louisiana, the whole thing is all licensed dealers, with maybe 2 or 3 tables of non-licensed private sellers selling collectible rifles/revolvers with intricate engraving and such. Gun shows aren't a "gun flea market" like a lot of people think they are.[/QUOTE] I had never heard of the gun show loophole until I heard it from the media. Every show we have ever gone to required you to do a 4473 on the spot. It's been like that for years and years.
[QUOTE=Brodi;44862106]<- Be 25, married, have a good job, have a house, have two newer cars ect. You're right, I must be pretty mentally unstable.[/QUOTE] Something must be wrong if you think it's okay to carry a fucking gun with you in public. I cannot see how people justify this. It's disturbing and just says a lot about America.
[QUOTE=Ziirxia;44862516]Something must be wrong if you think it's okay to carry a fucking gun with you in public. I cannot see how people justify this. It's disturbing and just says a lot about America.[/QUOTE] What could it possibly state?
[QUOTE=Ziirxia;44862516]Something must be wrong if you think it's okay to carry a fucking gun with you in public. I cannot see how people justify this. It's disturbing and just says a lot about America.[/QUOTE] Some people live in sketchy areas and don't feel safe without one
[QUOTE=Ziirxia;44862516]Something must be wrong if you think it's okay to carry a fucking gun with you in public. I cannot see how people justify this. It's disturbing and just says a lot about America.[/QUOTE] Open carry is mostly there for hunters. That way, if you and your hunting buddies are walking down the side of the road in your hunting camo with rifles slung over your shoulders, you don't have to worry about inadvertently committing a crime just by being there. That means it's also not technically illegal to walk around town with your rifle for no other reason than "I want to," but the only reason you'd ever do that is to make a statement and because of that you won't find many pro-gun people who think that sort of thing is okay. I don't mean this in an offensive way, but it makes people like you think all gun owners are nutjobs which simply is not the case.
If you don't feel safe without your gun don't eat at Chipotle it's as simple as that
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44862770]If you don't feel safe without your gun don't eat at Chipotle it's as simple as that[/QUOTE] No one is arguing that Chipotle shouldn't be allowed to do this. [editline]20th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ziirxia;44862516]Something must be wrong if you think it's okay to carry a fucking gun with you in public. I cannot see how people justify this. It's disturbing and just says a lot about America.[/QUOTE] Life must seem so simple when you can just impute insanity on all those who disagree with you.
I would imagine open carry is probably more likely to result in a fatality from an armed robbery - if a robber bursts in with a gun drawn, and sees people carrying weapons, they're gonna be far more likely to do something stupid and/or desperate. The robber may still be stopped/killed, but the chances of them killing someone else is going to be much higher. The same is likely true with a spree shooter - they'll go for people with guns first, so someone with a concealed weapon would have better chance of defending themselves by not standing out and then using the element of surprise.
[QUOTE=sgman91;44860725]They were coming from a gun event. This is not how they normally walk around.[/QUOTE] Bringing a semi auto rifle into a restaurant is still really stupid Open carry of any weapon is just generally a bad idea, when transporting any kind of weapon it should be stowed, sheathed or covered in some way or form, even just as a matter of courtesy to others; you're just unnecessarily making people on edge by having a weapon in plain sight
I carry a concealed handgun because I want to have it available if anyone tries to assault me or the people I am around. However, bringing long guns to a Chipotle is dumb, though I can see where they are coming from if they just came from a gun rally and wanted a quick bite, especially since they asked the manager. This whole thing seems like a non issue, because it was already dealt with and there is no huge uproar. It just seems like Moms Demand Action is trying to stir up shit again.
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;44861535]Around here, open carrying handguns is not uncommon at all. Very few places even prevent people from carrying. The few exceptions are large corporate chains that originate from out-of-state like AMC theaters for example. Open carry even carries large support from state law here. Last year an NOPD officer detained an open carrier in a Whole Foods market. Long story short, the officer got crucified by a judge and the open carrier received a $75,000 settlement for being illegally detained, humiliated, and a couple of other things.[/QUOTE] begs the question, how many times people have accidentally discharged a fire-arm in their theatres by sitting on it the wrong way, especially idiots who don't use safeties
[QUOTE=Sableye;44863500]begs the question, how many times people have accidentally discharged a fire-arm in their theatres by sitting on it the wrong way, especially idiots who don't use safeties[/QUOTE] 1) You can't accidentally discharge a firearm by sitting on it the wrong way. That's not how it works. 2) Not all firearms have "safeties". My sig sauer P226 has no external safety. If there is a bullet in the chamber, it can fire. A lot of revolvers work this way too.
[QUOTE=Sableye;44863500]begs the question, how many times people have accidentally discharged a fire-arm in their theatres by sitting on it the wrong way[/QUOTE] Probably none?
[QUOTE=Sableye;44863500]begs the question, how many times people have accidentally discharged a fire-arm in their theatres by sitting on it the wrong way, especially idiots who don't use safeties[/QUOTE] As Silence said, you can't trigger a firearm behind sitting on it. As to your second point, I carry a Sig P250, which has no safeties. It is a double-action only firearm, so it's safety is the 7.5 pound trigger pull, rather than any mechanical safety. It works well. A gun does not need to have safeties to be a safe firearm.
[QUOTE=Ziirxia;44862516]Something must be wrong if you think it's okay to carry a fucking gun with you in public. I cannot see how people justify this. It's disturbing and just says a lot about America.[/QUOTE] i love people like you you live in a completely different country and know just about nothing about our country. I dont think you even know whats its like to live in a dangerous area like Flint or Detroit or even Chicago. Normal people dont carry guns to be threatening or cool or edgy or unstable, they carry them because they are afraid of something happening to them. You dont know what you're talking about plain and simple
[QUOTE=SexualShark;44859724]there is a point where its your right and theres a point where you are a major ass for doing it.[/QUOTE] Well that and private property rights...
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44862014] Because it's a fear mongering lie. All firearm purchases through a dealer are required to have a background check. Concealed carry has the requirement of training courses. The only time you don't need either is if you're buying a gun from another individual.[/QUOTE] How can it be a "fear mongering lie" if it's true though. You can totally buy a semi-automatic rifle in Texas without going through a background check or training. You even said it yourself.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;44863796]How can it be a "fear mongering lie" if it's true though. You can totally buy a semi-automatic rifle in Texas without going through a background check or training. You even said it yourself.[/QUOTE] Because it's a line used to stir up irrational feelings of fear about a situation that's statistically insignificant. Also see "voter fraud" and "welfare abuse". Same thing as "gun show loophole".
Are businesses really in their right to not serve people with guns, though? Like, people just minding their own business, carrying a holstered gun? If so, shouldn't they be allowed to not serve Christians? Gays? Minorities?
[QUOTE=darunner;44863833]Are businesses really in their right to not serve people with guns, though? Like, people just minding their own business, carrying a holstered gun? If so, shouldn't they be allowed to not serve Christians? Gays? Minorities?[/QUOTE] Well, for starters, you can't leave your skin color in your car
[QUOTE=Sableye;44863500]begs the question, how many times people have accidentally discharged a fire-arm in their theatres by sitting on it the wrong way, especially idiots who don't use safeties[/QUOTE] NYPD requires their guns have insanely heavy trigger pulls because the cops were shooting themselves in the leg while fucking around with their gun. Typically, target shooters will go for a very light trigger pull, so as to require less force twisting the barrel when pulling the trigger, making them more accurate. NYPD went the opposite direction, and we see things like the Chrysler Building shooting, where NYPD shot 7 innocent bystanders attempting to stop a gunman who'd shot his boss after an argument.
[QUOTE=darunner;44863833]Are businesses really in their right to not serve people with guns, though? Like, people just minding their own business, carrying a holstered gun? If so, shouldn't they be allowed to not serve Christians? Gays? Minorities?[/QUOTE] People choose to carry a firearm. Being black, gay, etc.... is not a choice. Not the same thing. Please stop, you're not helping.
[QUOTE=Mr. Jelly;44863842]Well, for starters, you can't leave your skin color in your car[/QUOTE] Can't leave your sexual or religious preferences in the car, either. [editline]20th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44863848]People choose to carry a firearm. Being black, gay, etc.... is not a choice. Not the same thing. Please stop, you're not helping.[/QUOTE] If a court can rule that a business owner has to serve gays, even though he doesn't like it, then why not gun owners?
You know what my problem is with all this? I have 15 long guns, some black guns, revolvers, and semi-auto pistols. I can't seem to carry them all and do jumping jacks or sit-ups at the same time. Should I blame Obama or my neighbor Ted?
[QUOTE=darunner;44863855]If a court can rule that a business owner has to serve gays, even though he doesn't like it, then why not gun owners?[/QUOTE] You're seriously going down this route? I know you're not fucking around because you've done similar shit to this in the past, the fact it's this consistent is just making you look like a massive idiot. Carrying your gun around in the open because "freedoms" allow you is in no way comparable to being gay, or a Christian, or black. Being gay, religious or not-white are things that are either intrinsic to you as a person, or choices that have no outward effects unless brought up directly. A cashier has no reason to ask if you're Christian, others in the establishment are not going to be offended or concerned about your possible Islamic belief. However, a weapon over your shoulder is a bit more concerning.
[QUOTE=darunner;44863855]Can't leave your sexual or religious preferences in the car, either. [editline]20th May 2014[/editline] If a court can rule that a business owner has to serve gays, even though he doesn't like it, then why not gun owners?[/QUOTE] because keeping a rifle strapped over your shoulder in public areas ([url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1395150&p=44860852&viewfull=1#post44860852]let alone posing for photos with it drawn[/url]) because it's your security blankey is not personal life or endowment, and comparing that as an equal thing to being shunned for liking certain people or physically looking different is psychopathic
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