• Chipotle: "Leave your guns outside, please."
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[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;44864345]It's private property, they're allowed to make the rules in their business. If one day they decided not to serve to people who wear Blue shirts then they don't have to. Does that make that right? No, but it is their own decision because it's their private property.[/QUOTE] That's still not as bad as banning black people, because changing your skin is a lot harder than changing your shirt.
[QUOTE=Sitkero;44869121]California is the most difficult place in the United States to buy and own guns California also has one of the highest gun violence rates in the United States, and it predominantly handgun crime, which are far and above the hardest to acquire Explain this to me like I'm an idiot[/QUOTE] Because the guns were in circulation before the legislation. I've just written off the US as a lost cause when it comes to this. The guns and gun culture are too saturated to do anything about. You'll always have major gun problems thanks to your constitution. If the second amendment hadn't existed in the first place I imagine the US would be a much more normal place in regards to this.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44870261]I don't even know what you're trying to do here. The first question is something I've already answered as far as I understand it. Criminals who mean business will want a firearm to intimidate or attack with. It doesn't matter where you live, if the risk is perceived to be high enough a criminal is going to want something they can use themselves. And the second half, I've sorta covered. It's hard to gauge how many firearms would be traded on the black market, so I can't say for certain how many guns would need to be stolen or whatever to fulfill demand in California. And I don't particularly have a 100% working knowledge of the state by state firearms restrictions, so I can't accurately say what sort of supply the nearby states could provide. However, bringing some illegal firearms into Cali doesn't seem like it's massively out of the question, even if it can't satisfy demand fully.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=No_Excuses;44873042]Because the guns were in circulation before the legislation. I've just written of the US as a lost cause when it comes to this. The guns and gun culture are too saturated to do anything about. You'll always have major gun problems thanks to your constitution. If that hadn't been in there in the first place I imagine the US would be a much more normal place in regards to this.[/QUOTE] I had a big thing written out but it was incomplete and meandering and terrible so I cut it down to four points Gun crime took a sharp increase after Nixon enacted the war on drugs in 1971 Stricter gun legislation enacted after 1971 made the problem worse(See: Washington D.C.) The rise of severe gang warfare and related gun crime directly correlates with Reagan's introduction of harsher drug policy The majority of firearms in the streets of L.A were not in production or available in the U.S until the 1980s and 1990s Those were the major things I was driving at, trying to get it across that it was more complex than just the existence of legal guns as well as trying to encourage independent research into the issue and its history and contributing factors From here I concede and thank you for your time
[QUOTE=cdr248;44870512]I can understand a concealed handgun or something but carrying a fucking "assault-style" (I assume they mean a rifle capable of automatic fire) rifle in public is just waay too much.[/QUOTE] Just means a rifle that will automatically load the next round into the chamber (still requires a second trigger pull to fire it) and/or one that has appearance features such as a collapsible stock, a pistol-style grip, or things like a flash hider or bayonet lug (because drive by bayonettings have been such a problem).
Texas doesn't even permit open carry, not only that but one of the two pictured was holding the firearm in a ready position and not slung and on his back or side. I'm a concealed carry weapons permit holder, and I'm all for open carry when it's necessary or if you're unable to obtain a CCL because of age (some states allow open carry at 18 and concealed at 21 or something similar), but people like these beg for attention and ultimately make the gun owning community look bad. To be quite honest, if someone is holding his gun in a ready position I probably would think it's some deranged fuck-head prepared to shoot up my precious burrito bowls, and would probably draw my gun if not fire. I've open-carried as per state regulations when going to or from a hunting, camping, fishing, or hiking trip and didn't cause a spectacle because my gun was holstered and at my side. I didn't do it to garner attention, I did it because I'd rather not bother to put on my IWB holster when I'm stopping at a barbeque place before going on a hunting trip with my kid. These fuckwits weren't even following state and federal regulations. That being said I'm probably still going to concealed carry my gun on occasion into Chipotle because I live on the border of a pretty shady area, and recently was a string of attacks and robberies at local restaurants.
[QUOTE=Xain777;44864387]I'm sorry, I hate to be "that guy" but under current "stand your ground" laws, if you start a fight and shoot someone to defend yourself, then you can possibly get away with it. even if the fight is over some kid stealing a candy bar. [editline]20th May 2014[/editline] Also I don't know anyone who was born carrying a gun openly.[/QUOTE] You can possibly get away with anything if you get lucky with the jury and a good defense lawyer, that's just how the legal system works. As written though, justification defenses for battery and physical violence tend to state specifically that intentionally provoking a violent response excludes you from using said justification defense.
Just gonna leave this here: [url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/21/robbers-ignore-no-weapons-sign-nc-restaurant-assau/[/url]
[QUOTE=darunner;44874348]Just means a rifle that will automatically load the next round into the chamber (still requires a second trigger pull to fire it) and/or one that has appearance features such as a collapsible stock, a pistol-style grip, or things like a flash hider or bayonet lug (because drive by bayonettings have been such a problem).[/QUOTE] Carrying any two-handed rifle in public is just overkill though, even if it is just a bolt-action.
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