Carlos Slim, worth $80 billion, calls for a 3 day work week while pushing for 11 hour shifts and ret - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46184111][b]For every machine built to work 24/7, there's a new mechanic and technician job opening[/b] to keep it running and repaired.[/QUOTE] This is obviously false. It's a lower number than 1 for 1 because then it isn't any better than keeping a human worker. Now this process has happened for a huge part of human history, and for the most part, it merely amplified the amount of work a human operator could do. We've reached a point where we can take the human operator out of the equation entirely, which is very different then in the past. Also there's absolutely no reason to have human technicians to fix these machines given that in the next 10 years we'll likely have: Self-driving cars, drones capable of real time SLAM & object identification, the price of robots keeps dropping. With this paradigm it would become much more feasible for the broken robot to simply be picked up by a self-driving truck (that also delivers a new replacement), shipped to the company that makes it, where it is either scrapped and reused to build new robots or used to refurbish other broken models. Meanwhile, the one that was delivered is plugged into the place of the old one, installs the software for it's role that was preset up and stored in a server farm somewhere. None of this absolutely requires a human operator.

Hell I'd be fine with 4 days a week.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46185053]Can't wait till we can do everything we like all our life, probably will include some running from the robot uprising that will make IS look like a bunch of pussy's.[/QUOTE] IDK but if people are ever going to be able to live +300 years (in their own skin actually) then retirement age is going to be set higher, that's for sure. :v: And if man ever achieves immortality, then he should also expect to work "forever," I thinks..

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46184111]For every machine built to work 24/7, there's a new mechanic and technician job opening to keep it running and repaired.[/QUOTE] Yeah, nah, cause what happens is you replace 50 jobs with as many robots, and you staff a maintenance team with 5 technicians. It's already happening, jobs are becoming increasingly automated, shit even call centre workers are getting put out of jobs through automated callers and shit. If you genuinely believe that there will always be enough jobs then you are in for a major shock in the future.

No! Everyone should follow in the footsteps of the Nordics, with late starting hours, and early closing of shops/ business. That way, you can get to work around 6hours/day, weekends free; in places like Denmark. Or the spanish siesta way. :rock:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46183893]Did you miss the "only work for 3 days out of the week" part?[/QUOTE] No. It's just worth absolutely nothing.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;46185016]This is obviously false. It's a lower number than 1 for 1 because then it isn't any better than keeping a human worker. Now this process has happened for a huge part of human history, and for the most part, it merely amplified the amount of work a human operator could do. We've reached a point where we can take the human operator out of the equation entirely, which is very different then in the past. Also there's absolutely no reason to have human technicians to fix these machines given that in the next 10 years we'll likely have: Self-driving cars, drones capable of real time SLAM & object identification, the price of robots keeps dropping. With this paradigm it would become much more feasible for the broken robot to simply be picked up by a self-driving truck (that also delivers a new replacement), shipped to the company that makes it, where it is either scrapped and reused to build new robots or used to refurbish other broken models. Meanwhile, the one that was delivered is plugged into the place of the old one, installs the software for it's role that was preset up and stored in a server farm somewhere. None of this absolutely requires a human operator.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=bravehat;46185524]Yeah, nah, cause what happens is you replace 50 jobs with as many robots, and you staff a maintenance team with 5 technicians. It's already happening, jobs are becoming increasingly automated, shit even call centre workers are getting put out of jobs through automated callers and shit. If you genuinely believe that there will always be enough jobs then you are in for a major shock in the future.[/QUOTE] I don't think I worded myself correctly to make the point I was trying to give across. I don't actually believe it'd be 1v1 with robots and technicians. My point I was trying to make is job opportunities shift. While we will need less factory workers, we will see higher demand in mechanics and technicians. There are always going to be shifts in jobs as technology improves. It's not going to kill job availability, it's just going to shift our focus on which careers to take.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46185630]It's not going to kill job availability, it's just going to shift our focus on which careers to take.[/QUOTE] Automation does kill a lot of jobs. The shift affects only a certain percentage. A machine that can replace a 100 workers needs 1-2 technicians to maintain it. That's 98 jobs lost. This also shifts jobs towards contract style. You don't need a technician 8 hours each workday, only when machine needs to be looked at. This also makes getting jobs for older people really tough since they need to re-educate themselves and if you had a low paying job before, you now have very little money to live on. Many industries get automated and their workflows optimized for as little human interaction needed as possible and all that does kill jobs. Population is growing, but so is automation.

I kind of like having a different schedule than the norm. Right now I work everyday for 2 weeks straight, then I have a whole week off. It gives me an opportunity to go back home for a week, or travel somewhere else. And 12 hour shifts aren't bad once you get used to them. I used to work 12 hours a day for 12 days, and then had 2 days off. That sucked.

4 day weeks should be the norm in all honesty.

Like some people here, I would rather work longer each day for fewer days instead of working fewer hours each day for more days of the week. As a part-timer I can't work more than 38 hours each week, and I gotta say I prefer weeks where I do nine hour shifts four times per week instead of doing six hour shifts six times per week. In terms of breaks, the nine hour shifts are heaps better than six hour shifts. I only get a half-hour break on the six hour shift, but I got an hour break and two fifteen minute breaks on the nine hour shift.

The automation kills works.... Jesus Christ, so, poor 1840's guy. Thought the world in a century would be left unemployed. Whoops, turned out a little bit wrong.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46183553]Work would get spread out where the days you work don't have to be the same as the ones I work at.[/QUOTE] Doubtful - remember that a lot of industries depend on other industries to run at the same time they are running.

I use to work 4 on and 4 off 12 hour shifts and it wasnt to to bad. It hurt the hell out of your feet but you had 4 days off to do whatever. And it made planning vacations and stuff easier.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46183553]Work would get spread out where the days you work don't have to be the same as the ones I work at.[/QUOTE] But there are more people working because people dont retire until 75 [editline]9th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=itisjuly;46185786]Automation does kill a lot of jobs. The shift affects only a certain percentage. A machine that can replace a 100 workers needs 1-2 technicians to maintain it. That's 98 jobs lost. This also shifts jobs towards contract style. You don't need a technician 8 hours each workday, only when machine needs to be looked at. This also makes getting jobs for older people really tough since they need to re-educate themselves and if you had a low paying job before, you now have very little money to live on. Many industries get automated and their workflows optimized for as little human interaction needed as possible and all that does kill jobs. Population is growing, but so is automation.[/QUOTE] Automation will never kill my job [sp] because my job is automation. Please don't kill me [/sp]

[QUOTE=itisjuly;46185786]Automation does kill a lot of jobs. The shift affects only a certain percentage. A machine that can replace a 100 workers needs 1-2 technicians to maintain it. That's 98 jobs lost. This also shifts jobs towards contract style. You don't need a technician 8 hours each workday, only when machine needs to be looked at. This also makes getting jobs for older people really tough since they need to re-educate themselves and if you had a low paying job before, you now have very little money to live on. Many industries get automated and their workflows optimized for as little human interaction needed as possible and all that does kill jobs. Population is growing, but so is automation.[/QUOTE] Automation replaces manufacturing jobs. Fortunately, the economies that are pursuing automation are services-dominated economies which are still increasingly trending towards services, where automation is much harder to implement.

How about don't [I]"be a slave"[/I] and work towards being your own boss.... Why the hell are so many of you ok with this kind of shitty work schedule? You get 4 days to yourself and 3 days where your life better be in order, or else work will just be one big pain in the ass because there won't be enough time in the day to take care of other things. You think Mr.Slim would ever work an 11hr shift....I'm sure he'd work 3 days. Everyone wants to work fewer days. Granted, if you get in to a career which you really love and are passionate about, it feels a lot less like work. But, even then, there are extremes that ideally are avoided.

[QUOTE=NO ONE;46187753]How about don't [I]"be a slave"[/I] and work towards being your own boss.... Why the hell are so many of you ok with this kind of shitty work schedule? You get 4 days to yourself and 3 days where your life better be in order, or else work will just be one big pain in the ass because there won't be enough time in the day to take care of other things. You think Mr.Slim would ever work an 11hr shift....I'm sure he'd work 3 days. Everyone wants to work fewer days. Granted, if you get in to a career which you really love and are passionate about, it feels a lot less like work. But, even then, there are extremes that ideally are avoided.[/QUOTE] 11 hours might be too much, but I will tell you right now that I prefer the weeks at work where I do 3PM-12AM four times rather than the weeks where I work 6PM-12AM six times. Same amount of hours in total over the week, just fewer days.

Isn't the average lifespan about 70-80? most people would be dead by the time they even get retired I'd say it should be 50 unless they can still very effectively work, then 60 tops.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46184149]We're not working less, we're just grouping hours worked more together. Would you rather work 4 hours 7 days a week or just 3 days a week at 11 hours? To me, even if I have to work just 4 hours in a day, the whole day is ruined because you have to spend time getting ready for work, leaving, etc. [b]I only go out on days I have off[/B], even if a work day has me out by noon time.[/QUOTE] I do this to but I go out on Fri-day's ( or what ever my Fri-Day would be.) But I won't do anything Sunday, but yea I can't enjoy myself during week knowing I have to be somewhere the next day.

[QUOTE=NO ONE;46187753]How about don't [I]"be a slave"[/I] and work towards being your own boss.... Why the hell are so many of you ok with this kind of shitty work schedule? You get 4 days to yourself and 3 days where your life better be in order, or else work will just be one big pain in the ass because there won't be enough time in the day to take care of other things. You think Mr.Slim would ever work an 11hr shift....I'm sure he'd work 3 days. Everyone wants to work fewer days. Granted, if you get in to a career which you really love and are passionate about, it feels a lot less like work. But, even then, there are extremes that ideally are avoided.[/QUOTE] Not everyone has the willpower to "be their own boss". While you do make a lot more and generally are a lot better off, being your own boss is tons more work than working for someone and is very often a gamble.

[QUOTE=J!NX;46187924]Isn't the average lifespan about 70-80? most people would be dead by the time they even get retired I'd say it should be 50 unless they can still very effectively work, then 60 tops.[/QUOTE] 50 should be when you can retire and 60 is when you need to retire, of course if you stick an 10 years you get a better pension. or if you stick say for 5 years you get a better pension than you would get at 50 but still not good at 60.

[QUOTE=NO ONE;46187753]How about don't [I]"be a slave"[/I] and work towards being your own boss.... Why the hell are so many of you ok with this kind of shitty work schedule? You get 4 days to yourself and 3 days where your life better be in order, or else work will just be one big pain in the ass because there won't be enough time in the day to take care of other things. You think Mr.Slim would ever work an 11hr shift....I'm sure he'd work 3 days. Everyone wants to work fewer days. Granted, if you get in to a career which you really love and are passionate about, it feels a lot less like work. But, even then, there are extremes that ideally are avoided.[/QUOTE] Statistically, those who make the most money also work the most time.* *In a free economy. I mention this because Slim is basically a government created monopoly and he doesn't really have to try and compete.

[QUOTE=Jmir 54;46183368]I work three twelve hour shifts and having 4 days off is pretty rad[/QUOTE] My employer did this for some employees (I was one of them) over the summer that wanted to do it. We worked 3 12 hour days, had 4 day weekends, and on top of that, they would give you the extra 4 hours of pay to bump you up to a normal 40-hour paycheck for free. Work 36 hours, paid for 40, and 4 day weekend? It was fucking spectacular and I miss it.

[QUOTE=Killergam;46184085]The way the world is going, there's not enough jobs around for everyone to have a job, automation, robotics and administration improvements means in alot of cases the human component is no longer necessary. However to accomplish that Capitalism needs to be replaced or redesigned to make up for this factor. It would most likely mean this guy and other insanely rich would have to get off their high-horses and share the wealth, something they would not do willingly.[/QUOTE] Last time the wealthy gave an inch towards workers was durring ww2 when the government essentially forced them to listen to employees for once instead of line their pockets. Amazingly the last time the wealth gap was small, america had the largest economic growth ever

[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;46188524]My employer did this for some employees (I was one of them) over the summer that wanted to do it. We worked 3 12 hour days, had 4 day weekends, and on top of that, they would give you the extra 4 hours of pay to bump you up to a normal 40-hour paycheck for free. Work 36 hours, paid for 40, and 4 day weekend? It was fucking spectacular and I miss it.[/QUOTE] What did you do? And was it a seasonal job? I'll contradict myself by saying that situation has an appeal to me. Not really my ideal cup of tea, but I could see that as an option if I had options to choose. Also I will say the longest shift I've ever done was 9hrs with a 1hr break (at Lowe's). Did quite a few of those actually. I don't really know how the managers, and whoever else had a position where they might do 12hrs, did it. Very unpredictable, fast paced store with some pretty crappy/annoying management. I suppose I am biased towards long hours simply because of that job. I'm sure there are jobs I might feel ok with doing long ass shifts though.

In the last 6 months I've pulled 5 18 hour long shifts on various film sets. It's not fun, and even with catered food and a good number of periods of rest, it's not terrible but an 18 hour day is very, very long.