US Senator says boots on the ground is the "next step" to defeating ISIS; airstrikes "won't win this
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[QUOTE=EskillV2;46076113]Just carpet bomb where ISIS is located, and when the everything is grinded to dust and glass, carpet bomb it some more.[/QUOTE]
Bombing alone does not procure a victory.
No matter how much you bomb, there's always survivors and they will continue to occupy the territory.
You can soften them, but you can't beat them.
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;46075492]If we put boots on the ground ISIS will fuck us via media by executing troops and posting videos online. It'll be Vietnam 2.0. Really not worth it as it will hurt our morale tenfold.[/QUOTE]
it seems like that would just piss people off even more
we don't have any ground forces there yet and theyre still beheading people and raping/massacring innocents left and right
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46076143]Bombing alone does not procure a victory.
No matter how much you bomb, there's always survivors and they will continue to occupy the territory.
You can soften them, but you can't beat them.[/QUOTE]
Seriously bombing them is literally the same shit that made them.
They are literally, the terrorists that have been through so much shit they're just battle hardened, they're the fuckers that manage to fucking spot our guys before the other assholes do and run before they get mauled to shit by an apache or some shit.
If you bomb them, you're literally just gonna put them through artificial selection and breed super terrorists and Sunday morning cartoon villains with AK's.
[QUOTE=Luni;46076157]it seems like that would just piss people off even more
we don't have boots on the ground now and they and their copycats are still beheading people around the world[/QUOTE]
It'll piss people off who have nothing to lose.
If I had a brother over there fighting and I saw one of out captured troops getting beheaded, I would want to bring troops home.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46076179]It'll piss people off who have nothing to lose.
If I had a brother over there fighting and I saw one of out captured troops getting beheaded, I would want to bring troops home.[/QUOTE]
i can see it going both ways
that being said, yes, getting involved in the middle east has never worked out very well for anyone, and as satisfying as it would be to eradicate it the culture that made ISIS/ISIL possible cannot be bombed away
which sucks because the alternative is to sit back and watch them saw the heads off of children and sell women as rape slaves
If my body would let me I'd go and ground pound to stop these bastards. Stupid kidneys
[QUOTE=Luni;46076267]i can see it going both ways
that being said, yes, getting involved in the middle east has never worked out very well, and as satisfying as it would be to eradicate it the culture that made ISIS/ISIL possible cannot be bombed away[/QUOTE]
Ask the Kuwaitis if intervention in the Middle East never works. I'm pretty sure their state only exists because of it.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;46076044]I just hope they don't begin drafting if it gets that bad.
I know they won't, but I am not being drafted.[/QUOTE]
thats a hilariously ridiculous and unrealistic paranoia. ISIS isn't near the size to drag the US into a conflict where it would need to draft it's citizens.
And did you ever sign up for the selective service? If so, then you're gonna get drafted if Uncle Sam decides he wants you or me. Didn't sign up? You may end up spending 5 years in jail for it and lose pretty much all government benefits.
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[QUOTE=bravehat;46076178]Seriously bombing them is literally the same shit that made them.
They are literally, the terrorists that have been through so much shit they're just battle hardened, they're the fuckers that manage to fucking spot our guys before the other assholes do and run before they get mauled to shit by an apache or some shit.
If you bomb them, you're literally just gonna put them through artificial selection and breed super terrorists and Sunday morning cartoon villains with AK's.[/QUOTE]
lmfao thats not at all how it works.
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Like, surviving a JDAM strike isn't like a superhero movie. You don't get super powers or suddenly gain the ability to headshot with an AKM from 2 kilometers away. All it gives you is hearing loss and a concussion.
Wouldn't it be better to send at most very small teams of marines or such to help with specific situations than sending the entire US army in?
Well I mean I just signed up and enrolled in ROTC at my college so this is gonna be a fun few years!
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46076310]thats a hilariously ridiculous and unrealistic paranoia. ISIS isn't near the size to drag the US into a conflict where it would need to draft it's citizens.
And did you ever sign up for the selective service? If so, then you're gonna get drafted if Uncle Sam decides he wants you or me. Didn't sign up? You may end up spending 5 years in jail for it and lose pretty much all government benefits.
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lmfao thats not at all how it works.
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Like, surviving a JDAM strike isn't like a superhero movie. You don't get super powers or suddenly gain the ability to headshot with an AKM from 2 kilometers away. All it gives you is hearing loss and a concussion.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for clearing that up, I was under the impression they gained ability to piss plasma.
Regardless they're not gonna stop, and they're gonna learn from that JDAM to not fucking be in the open, and giving your typical fuck knuckle farmer an AK doesn't make him capable of pushing back the Iraqi and Syrian armies.
We're using up all of our killstreak bonuses. We'll have to go down there to get more sooner or later.
Though semi-contradicting my earlier posts, a war from the air should be the only war that's fought.
I don't even care anymore. Regardless of public opinion the government will do whatever.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46076310]thats a hilariously ridiculous and unrealistic paranoia. ISIS isn't near the size to drag the US into a conflict where it would need to draft it's citizens.
And did you ever sign up for the selective service? If so, then you're gonna get drafted if Uncle Sam decides he wants you or me. Didn't sign up? You may end up spending 5 years in jail for it and lose pretty much all government benefits.
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lmfao thats not at all how it works.
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Like, surviving a JDAM strike isn't like a superhero movie. You don't get super powers or suddenly gain the ability to headshot with an AKM from 2 kilometers away. All it gives you is hearing loss and a concussion.[/QUOTE]
I think he's just implying that the more you prod them, the more justification they get for their actions.
[QUOTE=Stopper;46076699]I think he's just implying that the more you prod them, the more justification they get for their actions.[/QUOTE]
They already have all the justification they need as long as people exist who don't adhere to fundamental Islam.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46076506]Though semi-contradicting my earlier posts, a war from the air should be the only war that's fought.[/QUOTE]
I too am comforted by feel-good measures, especially when it's about warfare.
If 150,000 US troops stationed in Iraq + a bunch of allies and Iraqi government couldn't wipe out ISIS then I fail to see how a bunch of airstrikes and some sub par middle eastern ground troops will.
Do people just entirely forget about the Iraq war?
[QUOTE=Xystus234;46076142]They have no standards, they'll use them as human shields regardless.
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yup we need to save innocent arabs by bombing them
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[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46076310]And did you ever sign up for the selective service? If so, then you're gonna get drafted if Uncle Sam decides he wants you or me. Didn't sign up? You may end up spending 5 years in jail for it and lose pretty much all government benefits.[/QUOTE]
well that or peace the fuck out to Canada
US, UK and Canada, probably others as well, have already deployed special forces to Iraq so there have already been boots on the ground for a while
[QUOTE=spekter;46075456]Every time we collectively go there it ends badly for everyone involved. This is a pretty big problem and ISIS are definitely too volatile to just ignore but boots on the ground could just lead us to another bloody and fruitless conflict.[/QUOTE]
And that's exactly what ISIS would want
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I still retain my stance of staying the fuck out of the region at all costs[/QUOTE]
Why? Honestly, tell me why?
Honestly, i want the destruction of the ISIS to be as cold and mechanical as possible.
These guys dont deserve the privilege of being able to fight other human beings.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46078475]Why? Honestly, tell me why?[/QUOTE]
Hugely open ended conflict that leaves lingering commitments and money spent over there that could be better spent at home.
In my opinion.
[QUOTE=Stopper;46076699]I think he's just implying that the more you prod them, the more justification they get for their actions.[/QUOTE]
And thats still bullshit. If the war is fought from the air, then you don't have to worry about that. If that were the case, then Libya would be our enemy again.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46077346]
well that or peace the fuck out to Canada[/QUOTE]
and then lose your US citizenship and potentially be put on a wanted list by the Canadian government.
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[QUOTE=Aman;46078887]Hugely open ended conflict that leaves lingering commitments and money spent over there that could be better spent at home.
In my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Go read about what we did in Libya. All we did was give them flack jackets, radios, and dropped a few tons of bombs on Ghadaffi's infrastructure, and we've no lingering commitments in that country. They asked for our military support and thats all we gave them. We didn't promise to rebuild their schools or reform their government. What we did in Libya is a perfect example of what a intervention should look like.
When we don't intervene in these conflicts, groups like ISIS pop out of them. So we can either start on them early on and nip them in the bud, or we can wait 3 or 4 years and end up in the situation we're in now where we've lost half a decade of progress in Iraq.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46078889]and then lose your US citizenship[/QUOTE]
good riddance if they reinstate the draft
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46079032]good riddance if they reinstate the draft[/QUOTE]
Draft never left bud, they just changed the name to "Selective Service" and we haven't been in a war where we needed it since Vietnam.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46079258]Draft never left bud, they just changed the name to "Selective Service" and we haven't been in a war where we needed it since Vietnam.[/QUOTE]
you know what I mean.
also I'd challenge the idea we ever "needed" it, let alone in Vietnam
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46079297]you know what I mean.
also I'd challenge the idea we ever "needed" it, let alone in Vietnam[/QUOTE]
Regardless if you like it or not, the US needed the draft during the Vietnam war. Not because it was a war for survival or anything like that, but because there was so little support from the public for the war. No sane highschooler would want to throw away his future and no mother would want to her son to go and fight a war he didn't need to fight. The US needed the draft to fuel the war because volunteers weren't exactly common.
yeah because the government of the "land of the free" should be able to tell you what cause to die for
if a war's too unpopular to gather soldiers it shouldn't be fought. that seems to be the democratic way to approach it right?
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