The majority of spree shooters are above 21, so I guess this doesn't change anything.
Maybe they should sell it as M with censored cutscenes, but have an optional "patch" on their website that uncensors them. Or would that be illegal?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46945446]Maybe they should sell it as M with censored cutscenes, but have an optional "patch" on their website that uncensors them. Or would that be illegal?[/QUOTE]
nope, not that ESRB is a legal-based organization anyways, but they only review what is in the game, a company could put out a nude patch for their game and it wouldn't need to be resubmitted for reclassification unless the data was already in the original game package.
[editline]16th January 2015[/editline]
i think they wouldn't be able to directly link it in the game, although i am not sure about that. shogun 2 total war is rated T but they released the blood DLC which added in blood and gore and shit and would surely have made it an M rated game, and they link to it on the main menu iirc
speaking of censorship am I the only one who finds violence worse then sex nudity or drugs, if I had kids I would be far more comfortable with them seeing those then intense violence.
the rating system is so fucking backwards
[QUOTE=murple;46945527]speaking of censorship am I the only one who finds violence worse then sex nudity or drugs, if I had kids I would be far more comfortable with seeing those then intense violence.
the rating system is so fucking backwards[/QUOTE]
honestly you can blame america, if it weren't for the fucking puritans way back when then i am certain that sex and nudity wouldn't be as taboo as it is
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46945542]honestly you can blame america, if it weren't for the fucking puritans way back when then i am certain that sex and nudity wouldn't be as taboo as it is[/QUOTE]
And that doesn't look like it's going to get any better, since sex-negative "feminism" seems to be all the rage in the US.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46944938]you know with all this negative publicity the devs could easily just twist this ultra violent shooter game into the biggest comedy joke game in history. they're going to lose out on the opportunity of a lifetime by not doing it.
maybe every time you kill a guy a big score multiplier written in bloody, red death metal font will cover their corpse to censor all the violence
then naut himportant will yell out a big one liner like "die in hell...." or "fuck!" when you shoot them. maybe there will be a bonus stage where all the enemies are grandmas or puppies or something.
[editline]15th January 2015[/editline]
[I]woah dude[/I] what if there was a feature to go to your own house in game and kill [I]yourself[/I] as you're playing the game, then the trenchcoat guy will shoot your computer and blow it up[/QUOTE]
Well, that's the thing though, they're taking it completely seriously. If it was jokey or campy like Postal 2 it'd be less disturbing, but it's not, sooo...
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46945671]Well, that's the thing though, they're taking it completely seriously. If it was jokey or campy like Postal 2 it'd be less disturbing, but it's not sooo...[/QUOTE]
I find it rather ridiculous that people feel the need to justify violence in game by saying it's actually a parody or that it subtly criticize it when no such explanation is required since it's a piece of media that's not supposed to be taken at face value anyway.
i still think its hilarious how the US has this weird 17+(totally not the true 18+ *wink wink*) / 18+ , due to stores being stupid and refusing to stock 18+ games.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46945671]Well, that's the thing though, they're taking it completely seriously. If it was jokey or campy like Postal 2 it'd be less disturbing, but it's not, sooo...[/QUOTE]
But POSTAL 1 was released in the 90's, that game was basically Hatred. Barely any humour at all, just completely serious.
[video=youtube;DwxoNEVdUEc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwxoNEVdUEc[/video]
[QUOTE=Korova;46944734]I really don't understand why this game is getting rated so harshly. Sure, they're innocent people but I haven't seen anything that resembles the brutality of Manhunt (which was rated mature)[/QUOTE]
What about all the executions, though?
Also anyway: I'm sure Valve'll allow it on Steam. Remember that last time they took it off?
[editline]16th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;46945764]i still think its hilarious how the US has this weird 17+(totally not the true 18+ *wink wink*) / 18+ , due to stores being stupid and refusing to stock 18+ games.[/QUOTE]
In a year, I'll be able to buy every game I could ever want!
...Except the AO ones, that comes next year.
Because of the "Context"? This has to be the stupidest reason to give AO rating.
Good, I intend to buy it, and play it just to irk any pansy who tried to deny this game its right to be.
They should definitely be proud, I'm sure this is one of the achievements they were secretly looking forward to.
Although, I hope they're not insistent on making a console version of their game with that AO rating. I'm almost certain the AO rating has historically almost always made retailers refuse to hold, and sell whatever game has that rating. Digital is pretty much their only chance, and making a physical version might be a waste of resources.
[QUOTE=Notanything;46946047]They should definitely be proud, I'm sure this is one of the achievements they were secretly looking forward to.
Although, I hope they're not insistent on making a console version of their game with that AO rating. I'm almost certain the AO rating has historically almost always made retailers refuse to hold, and sell whatever game has that rating. Digital is pretty much their only chance, and making a physical version might be a waste of resources.[/QUOTE]
Not sure if AO is allowed on XBLA or PSN.
I didn't know Steam still had a policy in place that stops AO games being sold. Left 4 Dead 2 is much more gratuitous than anything I've seen from Hatred so far, and the Infected aren't exactly dead are they. It's also rated 18 here in the UK, which is the equivalent of the AO rating?
I wonder if there'll ever be someone who goes and tries to get an AO rating on a game with no sexual content.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46946134]I wonder if there'll ever be someone who goes and tries to get an AO rating on a game with no sexual content.[/QUOTE]
This game just did and Manhunt 2 did before it.
[QUOTE=Memobot;46946116]I didn't know Steam still had a policy in place that stops AO games being sold. Left 4 Dead 2 is much more gratuitous than anything I've seen from Hatred so far, and the Infected aren't exactly dead are they. It's also rated 18 here in the UK, which is the equivalent of the AO rating?[/QUOTE]
Well the infected are trying to kill you, not like they're really innocent bystanders.
[QUOTE=Dark Descent;46946183]This game just did and Manhunt 2 did before it.[/QUOTE]
They got it, but I doubt they were trying to get it, they were probably hoping for an M rating. I mean I wonder if anyone will ever make a game where they are actively trying to get it rated AO instead of M with no sexual content.
[QUOTE=_Axel;46945693]I find it a bit rather ridiculous that people feel the need to justify violence in game by saying it's actually a parody or that it subtly criticize it when no such explanation is required since it's a piece of media that's not supposed to be taken at face value anyway.[/QUOTE]
Context is incredibly important, you can't just ignore it when considering media. It's the difference between a goofy game like Kitten Cannon (maybe not the best example) where the player is detached from the violence and just shooting a vaguely cat shaped blob out of a cannon with tons of cartoony effects, and some RapeLay-esque cat torture simulator where you dismember and cut apart a cat in incredible detail with realistic shrieking and crying or some shit.
The trailers work pretty hard to drive home the fact that people are fucking terrified of you and react... pretty much how you'd expect them to react when someone's going on a mass shooting. In a game like Postal 2, a lot of the enjoyment comes from being able to take a step back and laughing at just how ridiculous the situations and Postal Dude's life is, while with a game like this where the mass murdering is played straight and has no levity... Well, then your main enjoyment is just coming out of slaughtering people wholesale, and that's pretty fucked up.
Media doesn't get a free pass to not be criticized for being incredibly fucked up just because "it's just a game/movie/whatever". The developers actively chose to set up their game as a mass murder simulator, and from there they actively chose to give it an incredibly morbid and creepy (in a bad, fetishizing mass murder kind of way) setting, and from THERE they put a ton of work into the smaller details like how the people beg you to let them live and making incredibly violent execution animations to really enhance that feeling.
I'm not necessarily saying that I agree with the rating the game got, but you have to admit that the game is incredibly fucked up and can't really be compared to something like Postal 2 or GTA besides on the surface.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46946339]Context is incredibly important, you can't just ignore it when considering media. It's the difference between a goofy game like Kitten Cannon (maybe not the best example) where the player is detached from the violence and just shooting a vaguely cat shaped blob out of a cannon with tons of cartoony effects, and some RapeLay-esque cat torture simulator where you dismember and cut apart a cat in incredible detail with realistic shrieking and crying or some shit.
The trailers work pretty hard to drive home the fact that people are fucking terrified of you and react... pretty much how you'd expect them to react when someone's going on a mass shooting. In a game like Postal 2, a lot of the enjoyment comes from being able to take a step back and laughing at just how ridiculous the situations and Postal Dude's life is, while with a game like this where the mass murdering is played straight and has no levity... Well, then your main enjoyment is just coming out of slaughtering people wholesale, and that's pretty fucked up.
Media doesn't get a free pass to not be criticized for being incredibly fucked up just because "it's just a game/movie/whatever". The developers actively chose to set up their game as a mass murder simulator, [B]and from there they actively chose to give it an incredibly morbid and creepy (in a bad, fetishizing mass murder kind of way) setting, and from THERE they put a ton of work into the smaller details like how the people beg you to let them live and making incredibly violent execution [/B]animations to really enhance that feeling.
I'm not necessarily saying that I agree with the rating the game got, but you have to admit that the game is incredibly fucked up and can't really be compared to something like Postal 2 or GTA besides on the surface.[/QUOTE]
Hey remember the SAW movies? or something like SALO?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;46946377]Hey remember the SAW movies? or something like SALO?[/QUOTE]
Personally, movies like Saw have always come of across as creepy torture porn to me.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;46946377]Hey remember the SAW movies? or something like SALO?[/QUOTE]
those have both been extensively criticised for displaying suffering for the sake of suffering to be fair
This game isn't even that bad, I've done worse things in GTA V
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46946339]Context is incredibly important, you can't just ignore it when considering media. It's the difference between a goofy game like Kitten Cannon (maybe not the best example) where the player is detached from the violence and just shooting a vaguely cat shaped blob out of a cannon with tons of cartoony effects, and some RapeLay-esque cat torture simulator where you dismember and cut apart a cat in incredible detail with realistic shrieking and crying or some shit.
The trailers work pretty hard to drive home the fact that people are fucking terrified of you and react... pretty much how you'd expect them to react when someone's going on a mass shooting. In a game like Postal 2, a lot of the enjoyment comes from being able to take a step back and laughing at just how ridiculous the situations and Postal Dude's life is, while with a game like this where the mass murdering is played straight and has no levity... Well, then your main enjoyment is just coming out of slaughtering people wholesale, and that's pretty fucked up.
Media doesn't get a free pass to not be criticized for being incredibly fucked up just because "it's just a game/movie/whatever". The developers actively chose to set up their game as a mass murder simulator, and from there they actively chose to give it an incredibly morbid and creepy (in a bad, fetishizing mass murder kind of way) setting, and from THERE they put a ton of work into the smaller details like how the people beg you to let them live and making incredibly violent execution animations to really enhance that feeling.
I'm not necessarily saying that I agree with the rating the game got, but you have to admit that the game is incredibly fucked up and can't really be compared to something like Postal 2 or GTA besides on the surface.[/QUOTE]
Off the record the first thing most people did when booting up GTA games went onto to do car chase rampages. Its safe to say Hatred just embraces that fact alone.
[QUOTE]In a game like Postal 2, a lot of the enjoyment comes from being able to take a step back and laughing at just how ridiculous the situations and Postal Dude's life is[/QUOTE]
you are the minority of Postal 2's playerbase if you enjoy being the observer and not the one inciting them
example: did you set the marching band on fire the first time you played it?
[QUOTE=Wii60;46944969]i hope steam allows it
free speech is gud[/QUOTE]
Steam isn't obligated to allow it just because "free speech" though.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;46945764]i still think its hilarious how the US has this weird 17+(totally not the true 18+ *wink wink*) / 18+ , due to stores being stupid and refusing to stock 18+ games.[/QUOTE]
The point of AO is it's sort of our equivalent of refusing classification, because games (like most media) are protected under free speech we can't actually ban them, so we made this rating specifically for the stuff that we thought was too far.
Well, technically speaking it's the ESRB's equivalent, not the government's since the only state they have some legal authority in is the People's Republic of California, and even almost none. In the US there's no actual legal standard beyond the "it's protected under free speech" thing.
[QUOTE=Yourself;46946721]Off the record the first thing most people did when booting up GTA games went onto to do car chase rampages. Its safe to say Hatred just embraces that fact alone.
you are the minority of Postal 2's playerbase if you enjoy being the observer and not the one inciting them
example: did you set the marching band on fire the first time you played it?[/QUOTE]
they weren't talking about actually observing in game, he was referring to the fact that you can acknowledge the situation in Postal 2 is inherently ridiculous, whereas this is played straight
correct me if I'm wrong
[QUOTE=Yourself;46946721]Off the record the first thing most people did when booting up GTA games went onto to do car chase rampages. Its safe to say Hatred just embraces that fact alone.
you are the minority of Postal 2's playerbase if you enjoy being the observer and not the one inciting them
example: did you set the marching band on fire the first time you played it?[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, but at the same time it's all so cartoony and exaggerated that it loses any real plausibility, since to my knowledge no one has slaughtered an entire marching band with flying scissor shurikens, shotguns with cat suppressors and massive rocket launchers in real life. Compare that to Hatred, where you're just... killing people. No brightness, no levity, nothing but killing terrified people in violent ways. The fact that they put so much work into making it all seem believable and immersive (in that there's nothing completely out of place to make you step back, and the people do genuinely seem terrified) just adds onto that, so you really can't compare it to something like Postal 2
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