Anders Breivik, Norway murderer, wins human rights case - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bucketboy;50168043]He's not just a mass murderer, his a fucking terrorist. Why does none accept that? Might aswell classify those who did the Paris attacks as murderers and not terrorists[/QUOTE] But terrorism and mass murder aren't mutually exclusive? If anything terrorism is much broader.

[QUOTE=spekter;50169344]If this is true then I'm kind of glad he won. Sleep Deprivation Torture is some of the worst shit you can endure. He'll pay for what he did by never being a part of society again but no one should be subjected to that type of treatment.[/QUOTE] I doubt he will "pay" because he did what he did willingly and fully aware of the consequences. Not to mention it seems like he's having a lot of fun going to all the trials and what not. If he wanted to be a part of society I'm sure he wouldn't have killed all those people.

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;50172076]You presume we are inherently valuable on virtue of being human? I disagree. Barbaric or not I believe that as a species we should have the right to choose who lives and who dies. Individuals like this, who needlessly slaughter innocents have no place in this world. Its not pretty, but I sincerely believe that some people do in fact lose their right to be treated as a human being should and or their life.[/QUOTE] My point is that the train of logic your using is identical to Anders, difference being *he* has decided which people deserved to lose their life for the benefit of society. I think ignoring people's motives is a ticket to things like this happening more often, understanding why they think its acceptable to slaughter innocents especially. And if that happens to intersect with unnecessary torture in prisons then we should get rid of the unneccasarry prison torture. Prisons should be there to remove dangerous elements of society, not to satisy revenge boners. I can understand your viewpoint on an individual level, if someone is standing in front of you with a gun pointed to someone else, shooting them in the back is an immediate and necessary action to preserve innocent life. But when there is no immediate danger, resorting to barbarism as a society will just cause more barbarism in the future. It's been proven pretty clearly by the american justice system and various studies that chance based punitive criminal jail time is inneffective and even makes criminals worse due to the harsh prison culture before they are re-released. [QUOTE=space1;50173124]well by that logic shouldn't we just kill him to end their suffering? wouldn't you suffer more if you had no freedom and were locked up for the rest of your life rather than just dying right then and there? i would argue that freedom is worth more than my life[/QUOTE] that has nothing to do with what i said. I think prison conditions should be humane and rehabilitation focused. If your prison conditions are so bad that the majority inmates want to off themselves instead of living another 60 years you probably have a problem. If i was in life in prison for whatever reason i'd use the time to write a book, do research on all kinds of interesting subjects on the internet (they have that for prisoners in norway), have fun, but different people need different things to maintain sanity. Human contact, communication, exercise, etc etc, you need to tackle it from different angles.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50174654]By that logic, we should all kill ourselves to end all human suffering.[/QUOTE] how the hell do you make such a leap in judgement to think that killing someone to spare them a horrible life means that somehow everyone on earth has a horrible life and needs to be killed?

I don't think that prisons should be a nice enough place that it compares to a hotel. It's gotta suck somehow, but it can't be inhumane. Sleep deprivation is fucked up, but being able to read books all day in jail without having to work is more of a vacation than a punishment. Basically, a person who struggles with poverty and a shit environment shouldn't be better off by killing somebody and going to a prison that's better than their house, where they're guaranteed to be fed and clothed and allowed to pursue their hobbies and learn instead of working grueling hours for little pay. Then again the bigger issue there is poverty and the economy and is very much more of a problem in America than Norway.

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;50188916]I don't think that prisons should be a nice enough place that it compares to a hotel. It's gotta suck somehow, but it can't be inhumane. Sleep deprivation is fucked up, but being able to read books all day in jail without having to work is more of a vacation than a punishment. Basically, a person who struggles with poverty and a shit environment shouldn't be better off by killing somebody and going to a prison that's better than their house, where they're guaranteed to be fed and clothed and allowed to pursue their hobbies and learn instead of working grueling hours for little pay. Then again the bigger issue there is poverty and the economy and is very much more of a problem in America than Norway.[/QUOTE] A lifelong vacation where you can't ever open the door or communicate with another person. That's far more torturous than you seem to think.

[QUOTE=geel9;50189051]A lifelong vacation where you can't ever open the door or communicate with another person. That's far more torturous than you seem to think.[/QUOTE] My post was assuming solitary confinement was an inhumane thing similar to (though not as bad as) sleep deprivation.

[QUOTE=TestECull;50167841]I've no sympathy for the guy. He did a terrible thing, he will never rehabilitate, he will never be safe to release to the public. As far as I'm concerned guantanamo is too good for him. He's got it waaaay too good and should count his lucky stars on that one.[/QUOTE] thats fair, but perminent solitary confinement either in a small apartment-like cell or the american style concrete-funny-farm cells is still perminent solitary confinement, one goes nuts either way, just probably a lot slower when you don't have 6 bare concrete walls [editline]24th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Skerion;50174780]If we're going to keep that in mind when sentencing someone, then I feel like we should just leave it up to the sentenced guy to decide whether he wants to be locked up in a cell or get executed rather than make given death penalties mandatory.[/QUOTE] well... we do give them bedsheets and very little supervision........

[QUOTE=space1;50188833]how the hell do you make such a leap in judgement to think that killing someone to spare them a horrible life means that somehow everyone on earth has a horrible life and needs to be killed?[/QUOTE] Forget that. How the hell did you ever make such a leap in your judgement to suggest that, instead of treating Breivik roughly equally to other inmates, we should just kill him to end his suffering? [editline]24th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SleepyAl;50188916]I don't think that prisons should be a nice enough place that it compares to a hotel. It's gotta suck somehow, but it can't be inhumane. Sleep deprivation is fucked up, but being able to read books all day in jail without having to work is more of a vacation than a punishment. Basically, a person who struggles with poverty and a shit environment shouldn't be better off by killing somebody and going to a prison that's better than their house, where they're guaranteed to be fed and clothed and allowed to pursue their hobbies and learn instead of working grueling hours for little pay. Then again the bigger issue there is poverty and the economy and is very much more of a problem in America than Norway.[/QUOTE] I agree with your way of seeing the system, at least some of it. Waking up and going to work after breakfast is exactly what every inmate should do, regardless of crime. For more dangerous inmates, higher security of course, and more restricted contact with other inmates. However, I'm not sure what you mean by "grueling hours for little pay" but they should receive some payment/benefits for the work. They are still cheap labor, maybe even [I]forced[/I] labor, but in turn the housing and living conditions (including treatment) has to be adequate because we are forcing them to live&work in prison obviously.