The reason PC's aren't keeping up is because they aren't fixing any of the issues people have with PCs. I went to buy a laptop with my girlfriend a few days ago, and instead of picking the best one, I felt more like I was picking out the one that wasn't overpriced garbage. The laptops I saw had shit hardware, felt either way too heavy for everyday use or felt flimsy as hell, almost every single one was way too expensive for what it was (there were some that didn't even have a full-HD display for over $500), and what she decided on was nice, but what baffled me was the fact that they spent the time and money designing this thing to be a convertible tablet/laptop, when they could have redesigned it to actually have an ethernet port and gotten rid of the gimmicky hybrid nonsense and it could have been a couple hundred dollars cheaper.
[QUOTE=Schmaaa;49556333] but what baffled me was the fact that they spent the time and money designing this thing to be a convertible tablet/laptop, when they could have redesigned it to actually have an ethernet port and gotten rid of the [B]gimmicky hybrid nonsense[/B] and it could have been a couple hundred dollars cheaper.[/QUOTE]
That's why they do it actually, they know people don't wanna buy these horrible laptops so they have to rely on gimmicks such as "two in one!" when it sucks at being either.
Ignoring the elephant in the room.
Intel has increased processing throughput exactly 20% on the high end.
20.
In five iterations.
There's no reason to upgrade if you own a 5 or 7.
Period.
With the rise of Virtual Reality that number is about to skyrocket.
My PC is about 6 years old and I was just waiting until an innovation comes up that requires me to upgrade.
[QUOTE=garychencool;49543599]Well you get what you pay for. Spending at least $1000 for a laptop should get you something that lasts a decent amount of time.[/QUOTE]
I really don't believe I get what I pay for. I think that they're not pulling their weight to justify the price tag. I'm debating not getting a new laptop to replace my busted laptop this semester because I don't want to waste my student loan on gimmicks, subpar laptop hardware, and poor build quality. That last one is specifically the one that bothers me the most - I think it's what they spend the least time focusing on. I feel like they focus on the looks over build quality to entice you into buying something that "looks" okay but isn't durable, luring you into buying a new laptop quicker. That's the problem with my latest laptop that's fallen apart and I'm not even particularly vicious with it. Furthermore, working at my old electronics store, it seemed like every other person had something wrong with their power supply - it was either the cord that started failing or the power supply in the laptop failing.
The laptop industry needs to evolve to compete with the PC market or compete with the convenience of cell phones and tablets. So far, I've yet to see a laptop that succeeds at competing with either of those at a reasonable price, and I'm really failing to understand why fierce competition in the cell phone market is creating incredible phones while the laptop manufacturers nervously twiddle their thumbs. Do something for fuck's sake.
You guys are talking about VR revitalizing the PC market, but two questions I have are:
Does the average consumer care enough about videogames to want to buy a new PC to try out VR and
Wouldn't the average consumer prefer to have their VR work on their xbox or PS4 instead?
[editline]18th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49557003]I really don't believe I get what I pay for. I think that they're not pulling their weight to justify the price tag. I'm debating not getting a new laptop to replace my busted laptop this semester because I don't want to waste my student loan on gimmicks, subpar laptop hardware, and poor build quality. That last one is specifically the one that bothers me the most - I think it's what they spend the least time focusing on. I feel like they focus on the looks over build quality to entice you into buying something that "looks" okay but isn't durable, luring you into buying a new laptop quicker. That's the problem with my latest laptop that's fallen apart and I'm not even particularly vicious with it. Furthermore, working at my old electronics store, it seemed like every other person had something wrong with their power supply - it was either the cord that started failing or the power supply in the laptop failing.
The laptop industry needs to evolve to compete with the PC market or compete with the convenience of cell phones and tablets. So far, I've yet to see a laptop that succeeds at competing with either of those at a reasonable price, and I'm really failing to understand why fierce competition in the cell phone market is creating incredible phones while the laptop manufacturers nervously twiddle their thumbs. Do something for fuck's sake.[/QUOTE]
I've got a 3 year old hp that has lasted pretty long but I'm always looking for something new and I totally agree. The entire laptop market is bonkers to me. Most consumers need like a chrome book and that's it. They try to sell 800$ i7 8gb ram laptops to college students when that's not what they actually need in any capacity. When I finally do replace my current laptop, I'll most likely get a midrange chromebook and dual boot ubuntu on it.
The general market can only move away from the PC to be honest, the technology is constantly getting smaller and more powerful. Hell I bought a Android/Win10 dual boot tablet with a 1200p screen for $120 to replace my bulky heavy ass $900 laptop
VR is a very small market by comparison and will remain so unless it fulfills Facebooks dream of being a everyday appliance in the professional workplace in the future.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49558369]You guys are talking about VR revitalizing the PC market, but two questions I have are:
Does the average consumer care enough about videogames to want to buy a new PC to try out VR and
Wouldn't the average consumer prefer to have their VR work on their xbox or PS4 instead?
[/QUOTE]
It's not really about VR revitalizing the market, but starting a chain reaction which does.
Someone in the VR thread said that if the manufacturing capabilities that Palmer mentioned are anything to go by, by now there's hundreds of thousands of CV1 pre-orders. A large chunk of that market will not have computers capable of running their VR kits, apparently very few people actually have good enough rigs at the moment. So there will be this first wave of customers upgrading their systems. Then there should be another wave, once developers start taking advantage of this new niche of gamers with top tier systems and start making non VR games which will in-turn increase the average system requirements. In theory it should stimulate the market, but who knows if it will even make a dent in the global trend.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;49541782]Not like you can't game on one either.
[video=youtube;Gn0xnxe4bZ4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn0xnxe4bZ4[/video]
[video=youtube;l9cPn-jDjd0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9cPn-jDjd0[/video][/QUOTE]
Holy shit thats fucking impressive.
Also bonus points if you [I]need[/I] more graphics juice AMD crossfire will work between a discrete card and the APU's integrated chip.
[QUOTE=27X;49556470]Ignoring the elephant in the room.
Intel has increased processing throughput exactly 20% on the high end.
20.
In five iterations.
There's no reason to upgrade if you own a 5 or 7.
Period.[/QUOTE]
Yeah because pure performance is all that counts. Especially for the normal consumer. Let's ignore the huge improvements in power consumption and integrated graphics. Also SSD's, wifi standards, etc.
Once again you're conflating your interest and knowledgebase with the average consumer, per usual.
Does not track, and isn't even germane.
Samsung, for instance has made definite inroads with power/space to price with sales to prove it.
Meanwhile intel has sat on their monopoly pile and done jack all. The consumer also doesn't care a fuck about hp/watt, else AMD would be kicking the ass off nVidia, while the opposite is happening.
Also discrete part sales are [I]up[/I] and have been. Whole systems are way down.
Doesn't take much to know why.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49543505]I got a new Asus laptop for $1000 that's running Fallout 4 on the highest settings at 40-60 fps at 1920x1080. I don't really know what the hitch is with this laptop because it seems inexpensive for the hardware it has.[/QUOTE]
They're heavy as fuck, that is all. In today's modern light weight market that's a killer
Most casual users nowadays don't need a full fledged PC, or even a laptop for that matter.
When wifi became mainstream, and tablets became a thing, people didn't need a computer or even a laptop to do what they used to. Facebook, shopping, some light games, these can all be done on tablets. Meanwhile, they can use their work computers to print things, or find a friend who can, if they need to print something.
The only people who will be buying computers moving on, in my opinion, are people in school, gamers, and people who need them for the actual processing power for things like AutoCAD.
[QUOTE=27X;49563691]Once again you're conflating your interest and knowledgebase with the average consumer, per usual.
Does not track, and isn't even germane.
Samsung, for has made definite inroads with power/space to price with sales to prove it.
Meanwhile intel has sat on their monopoly pile and done jack all. The consumer also doesn't care a fuck about hp/watt, else AMD would be kicking the ass off nVidia, while the opposite is happening.
Also discrete part sales are [i]up[/i] and have been. Whole systems are way down.
Doesn't take much to know why.[/QUOTE]
The average consumer absolutely cares about performance per watt. They don't know that's what its called though, they just know it has better battery life.
[editline]19th January 2016[/editline]
Also its not really intels fault performance is stagnating. There's only so much silicon and copper can do.
I can attest to laptops being horrible now. Bought one and it had the function keys reversed. Instead of using FN for gimmicks, I gotta use FN for f1-12. No way to toggle it. Touchpad is also horrible.
I tried installing linux on it, but it consistently doesn't recognise my touchpad and no distro will shut off properly.
[QUOTE=Tinter;49567112]I can attest to laptops being horrible now. Bought one and it had the function keys reversed. Instead of using FN for gimmicks, I gotta use FN for f1-12. No way to toggle it. Touchpad is also horrible.
I tried installing linux on it, but it consistently doesn't recognise my touchpad and no distro will shut off properly.[/QUOTE]
That's a really terrible reason to say all laptops suck now. Honestly I think you're getting a way better laptop for your money right now than you've ever done before (assuming you're in the casual user market).
[QUOTE=Levelog;49565888]The average consumer absolutely cares about performance per watt. They don't know that's what its called though, they just know it has better battery life.
[editline]19th January 2016[/editline]
Also its not really intels fault performance is stagnating. There's only so much silicon and copper can do.[/QUOTE]
It's not intels fault regardless
It's physics.
The 28nm chipset stuck around for a LOT longer than we anticipated originally. That's all this so called lack of increase really is.
Intel funding political stuff to the tune of about a billion instead of fronting the bill for fabbing they know [I]already works[/I] and is stable is completely their fault.
Without competition they've sat on their asses waiting for the Isreali complex to spin up on a process they are and have been perfectly capable of doing for two years because they'd rather save money (for what? The looming shadow of VIA? :v) is entirely voluntarily.
Quintessential monopolistic behavior.
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