"Everyone has lied to me, everyone has deceived me," Recently disclosed dox show Hitler mental deter - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kalibos;38203577]yeah I don't really care when bad things happen to bad people nor do I care if that makes me a bad person get over it [editline]26th October 2012[/editline] no I have no empathy for someone who is an indescribably gigantic cunt[/QUOTE] [img]http://i32.tinypic.com/33upd14.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Kalibos;38203577]yeah I don't really care when bad things happen to bad people nor do I care if that makes me a bad person get over it [editline]26th October 2012[/editline] no I have no empathy for someone who is an indescribably gigantic cunt[/QUOTE] And Hitler had no empathy for Jews. How you define 'bad' varies with who you are. Hitler might've defined bad as 'of or relating to a Jew', you define it as bad people, namely Hitler.

[QUOTE=Mike42012;38203668]And Hitler had no empathy for Jews. How you define 'bad' varies with who you are. Hitler might've defined bad as 'of or relating to a Jew', you define it as bad people, namely Hitler.[/QUOTE] among other things I define it as a tyrant who ordered the deaths of millions of civilians [editline]26th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SNNS-SEAN;38203666][img]http://i32.tinypic.com/33upd14.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] you sure showed me, good one!

[QUOTE=Kalibos;38203697]among other things I define it as a tyrant who ordered the deaths of millions of civilians[/QUOTE] What do you think about Stalin?

[QUOTE=smeismastger;38201635]The way people demonize Hitler is just absurd[/QUOTE] I agree, but only in the sense as they hold him up as if he was more than a human. Or less, than, in this case. Like, well, a demon. People do this because it distances themselves from someone who committed such atrocities, but we much remember that Hitler had an entire country backing him up. We are all capable of such deeds, its wise not to forget it or forget exactly what Hitler, and more importantly, the Nazi party, was.

[QUOTE=DarkWolf2;38203368]Gotta be Rommel for me. In his tour of Africa, he followed all the Geneva gonvention rules and more. PoW's were treated very well. He really cared for his men and respected each and every one of them. What really makes him alright though is that he ignored Hitler's persecution of jews. He never huntrd them down,and should his men capture any jews, he would treat them like any PoW. In fact, iirc he was the only high commanding nazi general that never got tried for any war crimes.[/QUOTE] I also believe the Allies were actually thinking of instilling Rommel into leadership when they overthrew Hitler's rule, but I can't recall for sure.

I don't think Hitler was especially evil, he just got really lucky at being evil. I'm sure there's millions of people who'd love to go on a campaign of death and genocide if they had the chance, Hitler just won the evil lottery.

[QUOTE=Mike42012;38203710]What do you think about Stalin?[/QUOTE] same thing

Hitler's not such a bad guy...He did kill hitler, after all...

[QUOTE=Kalibos;38203759]same thing[/QUOTE] Good, but still bad in the sense that you don't feel empathy towards suffering, no matter the person. You know how the superhero always grabs the hand of the falling villain?

[QUOTE=Mike42012;38203828]Good, but still bad in the sense that you don't feel empathy towards suffering, no matter the person. You know how the superhero always grabs the hand of the falling villain?[/QUOTE] I don't claim to be the superhero Personally I think you're (and many on fp) just going through a phase where you believe that you're as altruistic as you espouse but you're actually not

sorry, but no matter how much of a cunt or faggot someone may be, in the end we're all human

[QUOTE=mixshifter;38204182]sorry, but no matter how much of a cunt or faggot someone may be, in the end we're all human[/QUOTE] what's your point?

[QUOTE=Kalibos;38204199]what's your point?[/QUOTE] idk i've just always wanted to say that

[QUOTE=Kalibos;38204199]what's your point?[/QUOTE] we r all human n desrv not 2 be paranoid.

[QUOTE=Kalibos;38204015]I don't claim to be the superhero Personally I think you're (and many on fp) just going through a phase where you believe that you're as altruistic as you espouse but you're actually not[/QUOTE] It's not the fact that I'm being altruistic, it's the fact that you are being egoistic.

Fuck hitler and his loyalists, I would have him raped by goats then strung up by his balls. everybody who feels empathy or sadness towards hitler's fate is a massive fag. No seriously, it's goddamn hitler. One of the biggest douchebags in human history responsible for countless victims in which you should feel empathy for. You are not being the bigger person by showing emotion towards his decent into madness, he would feel no emotion if he saw you being roasted in a fire alive. Get real people, seriously.

[QUOTE=Mike42012;38204265]It's not the fact that I'm being altruistic, it's the fact that you are being egoistic.[/QUOTE] uhhhmmm how

Fuck, who wouldn't break down completely in a situation like that? [QUOTE=BenJammin';38204313]Fuck hitler and his loyalists, I would have him raped by goats then strung up by his balls. everybody who feels empathy or sadness towards hitler's fate is a massive fag. No seriously, it's goddamn hitler. One of the biggest douchebags in human history responsible for countless victims in which you should feel empathy for. You are not being the bigger person by showing emotion towards his decent into madness, he would feel no emotion if he saw you being roasted in a fire alive. Get real people, seriously.[/QUOTE] Yeah, fuck showing empathy for other people that we all hate. I'm sure if Hitler was here, he'd agree with you.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;38202340]Internet.[/QUOTE] I'll defend Hitler and Nazi Germany for its merits in person any day of the week.

Oh yeah, and they say("unveal") this after 70 years. [B]FAKE[/B]

[QUOTE=Strider*;38201499] It was inevitable, with or without Hitler. Treaty of Versailles.[/QUOTE] The Treaty didn't do shit to cause a war.

[QUOTE=Kinversulath;38204704]Fuck, who wouldn't break down completely in a situation like that? Yeah, fuck showing empathy for other people that we all hate. I'm sure if Hitler was here, he'd agree with you.[/QUOTE] see the problem with this comparison is that you're comparing a genocidal war criminal with a bunch of civilians

so he WAS bullied into suicide how many likes does his page have huh???

[QUOTE=Kalibos;38204359]uhhhmmm how[/QUOTE] By lacking empathy, you are being the opposite of altruistic, egoistic.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;38204836]The Treaty didn't do shit to cause a war.[/QUOTE] Except- you know-- [url=http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/versailles_menu.asp]force Germany to cede nearly 30,000 square miles of its national territories (to Denmark, Belgium, France, Czechoslovakia, Poland, and Lithuania... plus the Saar was placed under the control of the League of Nations and Danzig was liberated as its own semi-autonomous city... oh and France had occupation rights to the Ruhr) and renounce all its colonial claims (to Britain and its dominions, France, Japan, and Belgium), restrict their military forces to no more than 100,000 personnel (plus six battleships, six cruisers, and 24 destroyers and gunboats/torpedo boats; they couldn't build or maintain submarines, aircraft, armored cars, or tanks either), and require them to pay the equivalent of $442 billion in war reparations (it was negotiated down to this in the mid-1920s because the original amount, which was demanding nearly $800 billion, was viewed by the British as being ridiculously unfeasible) and also forfeit large percentages of what resources they produced (coal, steel, crop yields, etc.) to Britain and France (plus Italy where coal was concerned, because they'd destroyed Italian coal mines during the war). Among other things... you'll find that 414 of the 440 clauses in this thing are dedicated to punishing Germany in some fashion or another.[/url] So it's not terribly hard to see with all this in mind why the German people were pissed off for years afterwards about the treaty and the war.

[QUOTE=Mike42012;38204943]By lacking empathy, you are being the opposite of altruistic, egoistic.[/QUOTE] okay 1) I have empathy, just not for someone like hitler 2) those two aren't opposites 2a) even if they were, self-interest has nothing to do with it 2b) lack of qualification of a single criterion of a larger idea does not automatically make one the opposite of that idea

[QUOTE=Kalibos;38205109]okay 1) I have empathy, just not for someone like hitler 2) those two aren't opposites 2a) even if they were, self-interest has nothing to do with it 2b) lack of qualification of a single criterion of a larger idea does not automatically make one the opposite of that idea[/QUOTE] 1) Hitler had no empathy for the people he killed 2) Yes they are, antonyms. 2a) Self-interest in the sense that you don't care for others, i.e. self interest. 2b) It does when the idea is implied to mean the metaphorical adherence to all criterion, such as empathy. You cannot be empathic towards one person and not another, to do so is to not be empathic.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;38203653]That's because he was dead. You don't seem to know anything about Rommel other than some vague history points.[/QUOTE] My point being is that he never commited any war crimes that should warrant a trial. He refused to kill jewish PoW's or kill captured enemy commando's, both in direct violation of Hitler's orders. In my opinion, he was more of a loyal German fighting for his fatherland than agreeing with the atrocities that Hitler committed (and even fighting against them). And no, I did not read or see all there is about Rommel. Is that any reason why that should warrant a lashing out like that from you?

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;38205087]Except- you know-- [url=http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/versailles_menu.asp]force Germany to cede nearly 30,000 square miles of its national territories (to Denmark, Belgium, France, Czechoslovakia, Poland, and Lithuania... plus the Saar was placed under the control of the League of Nations and Danzig was liberated as its own semi-autonomous city... oh and France had occupation rights to the Ruhr) and renounce all its colonial claims (to Britain and its dominions, France, Japan, and Belgium), restrict their military forces to no more than 100,000 personnel (plus six battleships, six cruisers, and 24 destroyers and gunboats/torpedo boats; they couldn't build or maintain submarines, aircraft, armored cars, or tanks either), and require them to pay the equivalent of $442 billion in war reparations (it was negotiated down to this in the mid-1920s because the original amount, which was demanding nearly $800 billion, was viewed by the British as being ridiculously unfeasible) and also forfeit large percentages of what resources they produced (coal, steel, crop yields, etc.) to Britain and France (plus Italy where coal was concerned, because they'd destroyed Italian coal mines during the war). Among other things... you'll find that 414 of the 440 clauses in this thing are dedicated to punishing Germany in some fashion or another.[/url] So it's not terribly hard to see with all this in mind why the German people were pissed off for years afterwards about the treaty and the war.[/QUOTE] Except - you know - Britain and France stopped enforcing the treaty in the 1930's, the Treaty had been getting more lenient towards Germany in the 1920's as public opinion sympathised with how harsh it was. Germany's prime goal in the 1920's was to get the allies to change the treaty and they were doing a good job at it, no one in their right mind in the Weimar government wanted to go to war over it though. The treaty was a propaganda tool for the right-wing from the moment it was signed but that is all it was. The reason for WW2 was Hitler's ambitions in the east. And Hitler was only in that position because of the collapse of the Republic due to the Wall Street Crash in 1929 which had nothing to do with the Treaty of Versailles. The terms of the treaty themselves weren't even all that bad compared to what Germany was intending to do to Russia in Brest-Litovsk. Germany was the defeated party, they were going to be punished. And actually, they weren't punished greatly. Most of the territory they lost was because of self-determination for people's such as the Poles who wanted their own country(Which was a big deal in Wilsons 14-points so Germany shouldn't have been surprised). The cutting of the military was understandable due to how Germany had just spent the last 20 years sabre rattling in Europe and it's not like this put Germany in any danger, they were in no position for another war with their current military state so cutting it down helped them more than anything in allowing them to spend their budget somewhere else. The reparations, while insanely high, were reduced in the 20's and most likely would have continued to be as relations normalized between the nations. The reparations never hurt Germany in any seeable way. Hyperinflation in 1923 was due to Germany's idea that it didn't have to pay the French the reparations and infact the Government had been following a policy of high inflation and borrowing since the start of the war and they continued to do so after the peace settlement so they could make it look to the allies that they would not be able to pay the reparations while at the same time keep people in Germany think the economy was doing well. So what did the Treaty actually do to Germany that caused a World War?