How do apple test their phones? Using windows xp, silly.

[🅱️🅰️LLS. ➿]

[QUOTE=NisseN;46088016]They tested 15.000 Iphone 6's, sold 10.000.000 the first weekend(!) and out of those 10.000.000, 9 where reported to have been bent. That's 0,0000009% of the sold phones. I really don't see the huge issue here.
Fabrication problems always occur, but when it happens to Apple, all hell breaks loose![/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure it's pretty major design flaw, not just a few faulty phones.

[nikomo]

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;46087959]How the heck do you improve a machine that's this simple?

[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/111996868/2014-2/general/Apple-Windows-XP_contentfullwidth.jpg[/IMG]
It literally spends 24/7 pushing a steel rod downwards.[/QUOTE]

That device's design might actually explain why they missed the entire thing.
I'm going to guess it's designed to provide force for only very small times.

People are having their phones bend when they're in their pockets for several hours, sitting.
That's a really long time compared to some 5-minute test that they're probably running, and being in the pocket has the phone against the entire leg, which provides force on the entire length of the phone, as well as the entire middle section. Instead of some tiny steel rod that only pushes against one little bit of the phone.

[Grimhound]

[QUOTE=NisseN;46088016]They tested 15.000 Iphone 6's, sold 10.000.000 the first weekend(!) and out of those 10.000.000, 9 where reported to have been bent. That's 0,0000009% of the sold phones. I really don't see the huge issue here.
Fabrication problems always occur, but when it happens to Apple, all hell breaks loose![/QUOTE]

It's a design flaw. It just so happens that it was discovered the first week. I'd imagine all phones produced will eventually run into the issue.

[ExTek]

I really don't see the problem. Not all software runs on Macs just the same as not all software runs on Windows. I also think they use Windows because a large majority of the world uses Windows and it is probably what the engineers are used to. I don't think it's really surprising.

[H8entitlement]

Many apple products have "durability" issues...

This isn't a surprise to anyone who has ever owned one. It's only in the news because "sensational"- it's all about grabbing readers interest and acting shocked seems to do that.

Take the iPad I own as an example. Forget the gen number but it was the first with the retina display- edged to edge glass encased in an aluminum backing. So much as dent the aluminum and the glass breaks. Owned it for ~2 yrs- broke it once already. To be fair it took a hard dive onto concrete- would have broken most any tablet IMO...

[Grimhound]

[QUOTE=Grimhound;46088670]It's a design flaw. It just so happens that it was discovered the first week. I'd imagine all phones produced will eventually run into the issue.[/QUOTE]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ3Ds6uf0Yg[/media]

And again.

[Awesomecaek]

[QUOTE=Grimhound;46088983][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ3Ds6uf0Yg[/media]

And again.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that looks like it was barely any effort.

[spectator1]

[QUOTE=meharryp;46088114]The point is, just because its not connected to the internet, doesn't mean its not exploitable.[/QUOTE]

What the fuck are you even saying even a pc with a clean win 8.1 with all the updates can get virused.

Hell I deliberately installed all windows updates on windows xp sp2 guess what happened after almost 3 hours of downloading and installing that shit? The booting took almost 5 minutes and the whole thing was working so slow with a million processes,then later explorer.exe crashed into a bsod. I had reinstall the whole thing to vanilla.

[pentium]

Facepunch, I know it sounds like a massive flaw in the industry that but no factory will upgrade their hardware every few years "because it's old". I know lathes that make valve flanges that run on MS-DOS. I know of chemical recipe processing systems that rely on plugboards. I know looming machines running on Apple II's. An iPhone testing bench running Windows XP is nothing surprising and not at all something to lose sleep over.

[quote]It's still pretty ironic that Apple of all places uses XP [/quote]
It does not matter how far back you go with the Macintosh. You would be called absolutely insane if you wanted to use a mac on a factory floor, much less for QA testing. It was far easier and faster to deliver the toolkit for a PC.

[Pokeman493]

[QUOTE=Grimhound;46088983][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ3Ds6uf0Yg[/media]

And again.[/QUOTE]

Holy fuck, even I could bend that, and I'm weak as shit.

[Trogdon]

I work at a company with $3 trillion in assets and new employees actively use a DOS system, and our other main software system has been the same since 1995 lol

[inaba]

[QUOTE=Grimhound;46088983][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ3Ds6uf0Yg[/media]

And again.[/QUOTE]

I don't know why, but I get a strange feeling that there are now a lot of people who have bought the new iphone just to bend test it

[inaba]

[QUOTE=RichyZ;46089544]yeah for some reason i doubt that[/QUOTE]

Are you doubting my feelings?
You take that back you big meanie

[inaba]

[QUOTE=Kabstrac;46089568]I work in a pharmacy and we still use Win Xp too[/QUOTE]

Most places do.
It's cheaper, and it just works. No need to spend extra time and money seting up a new system when the old one works

[hexpunK]

[QUOTE=Grimhound;46088983][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ3Ds6uf0Yg[/media]

And again.[/QUOTE]

The force he exerts is probably on par with what you'd expect to see in tight pockets when sitting down. Plus the small amount of heat from a confined space and contact with your body (pretty great insulator), the materials would be marginally more flexible I'm sure.

Pretty big design flaw, gg Apple, should probably have thought more about how to test a super long, super thin phone.

[editline]27th September 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=gokiyono;46089582]Most places do.
It's cheaper, and it just works. No need to spend extra time and money seting up a new system when the old one works[/QUOTE]

The place I interned in over the summer (a large insurance firm) was in the middle of migrating to Windows 7, but we still kept some XP boxes around for legacy software building. It's not always feasible to be on the hottest. newest OS out there.

[RaccoonBro]

I still know plenty of places that use DOS/Windows 95 on their machines. If something works without any sort of issue, why bother spending the time and money upgrading it?

[Flak]

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;46087901]Makes sense. Some of this equipment could be a decade old and the drivers might only work with XP. Heck, Big W still has been using the same system for so long that [I]all the computers run DOS emulators[/I] just so they don't need to pay someone to program a new inventory system.[/QUOTE]
The cost to rewrite the inventory system UI would be quite high, but I imagine the biggest reason for not changing it is because those DOS inventory UIs are fast and lightweight. Also much faster to use than the vast majority of modern GUIs, at least according to my previous experience as a store analyst at a big grocery chain. I really hope the modern stuff doesn't reflect on the average quality of GUIs today because they were awful.

[Awaken90125]

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;46087901]Makes sense. Some of this equipment could be a decade old and the drivers might only work with XP. Heck, Big W still has been using the same system for so long that [I]all the computers run DOS emulators[/I] just so they don't need to pay someone to program a new inventory system.[/QUOTE]

Walmart uses DOS as well.

[Nomad]

I have to use MS-DOS at my retail job at staples. Takes a bit to get used to but nothing super complicated.

[viperfan7]

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;46087959]How the heck do you improve a machine that's this simple?

[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/111996868/2014-2/general/Apple-Windows-XP_contentfullwidth.jpg[/IMG]
It literally spends 24/7 pushing a steel rod downwards.[/QUOTE]

By removing the aluminium block thats under the phone that prevents it from flexing fully is how

Yes, it should be supported at the edges, but its also not going to be able to flex fully because THERE'S A BLOCK OF METAL BLOCKING IT FROM FLEXING

[Murk]

In manufacturing, if something works, DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING.

We have a CNC machine from 1991 and we're still running a Windows 98 machine for programming it and transferring the programs to the machine using diskettes.

Of course we're planning to replace it within a year or so, but right now it works pretty much flawlessly and apart from it being a bit cumbersome, it's not an issue.
We wouldn't really bother replacing it but at this point it's so old that any servicing by the manufacturer (which would be required if the screen or the computer dies) has a [I]minimum[/I] quote of 5000€.

[turke]

upgrading to modern manufacturing systems is very much worth it for a company with any sort of medium-large scale manufacture

[Sally]

But what happened to eating your own dog food?

[TCWilliamson]

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;46092165]upgrading to modern manufacturing systems is very much worth it for a company with any sort of medium-large scale manufacture[/QUOTE]

Not really for somthing like this.

It will never have new software installed. never have new files put on it, never be connected to the internet or anything like that.

All they do is read off data from it, at most move some data from the program to a usb stick for logging on newer computers. I doubt anyone would make a fuss if it was Windows CE built into a machine doing the same thing that is 20 years old or so.

[turke]

[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;46092260]Not really for somthing like this.

It will never have new software installed. never have new files put on it, never be connected to the internet or anything like that.

All they do is read off data from it, at most move some data from the program to a usb stick for logging on newer computers. I doubt anyone would make a fuss if it was Windows CE built into a machine doing the same thing that is 20 years old or so.[/QUOTE]

it was more aimed at what Murkrow said about manufacturing, unlike some testing systems like the OP, there are a lot of benefits to a new machine for manufacturing (if the company situation is right)

[Ajacks]

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;46092342]it was more aimed at what Murkrow said about manufacturing, unlike some testing systems like the OP, there are a lot of benefits to a new machine for manufacturing (if the company situation is right)[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily either. Almost all systems in manufacturer are closed systems, so if the computer works, and the software and the machine interface are working, there isn't much incentive to update things. You might want to update systems if hardware becomes an issue on 25 year old systems and such, but other than that, the old moniker 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it.' comes into play. My uncles is an engineer who designs production lines, and they are all the time building new production lines with 'ancient' hardware. Again, every time you change software you have to train your employees on it, and have machine down time.

[meppers]

if a computer is not connected to the internet and it doesn't have any bugs and it only does one task there is literally no reason to upgrade it