[QUOTE=Maloof?;28958451]We don't have the right to advance as a species if the only means of doing so is to mess with nature. The most egotistical, dick-head thing I've ever heard anybody say is that we're 'more important' than the world around us.
Don't get me wrong, I ain't no vegetarian. I'm all for the natural process of things. Just don't expect me to be happy with the idea of ruining this fragile world we're on.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but no. If we have the power to advance and evolve, we should do it. Fuck nature, after all we are the only intelligent beings on this planet. We have all rights to play god in our sandbox.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;28958697]Sorry but no. If we have the power to advance and evolve, we should do it. Fuck nature, after all we are the only intelligent beings on this planet. We have all rights to play god in our sandbox.[/QUOTE]
I believe we should understand what we're doing, and the results of it. Not just try something blindly and hope it works out for the best.
[QUOTE=Metalcastr;28958760]I believe we should understand what we're doing, and the results of it. Not just try something blindly and hope it works out for the best.[/QUOTE]
Making cows that produce more human-like milk will not destroy the world.
Also we've been doing stuff blindly and hoping it works for ages now. It's called experimenting.
None of you have any rights, so stop arguing about this idea of the alleged "rights" you do or do not have.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;28958322]The problem with GM is that you're messing with the basic genetic code of an organism. We don't have the RIGHT to be messing with nature, for starters.
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Says who?
[QUOTE=johan_sm;28958814]Making cows that produce more human-like milk will not destroy the world.
Also we've been doing stuff blindly and hoping it works for ages now. It's called experimenting.[/QUOTE]
I also believe firmly in experimenting, but we should test the results before implementing a solution. I am not against GM foods, but we should test the results of modification thoroughly before introducing the product.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;28958814]Making cows that produce more human-like milk will not destroy the world.
[B]Also we've been doing stuff blindly and hoping it works for ages now. It's called experimenting.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's not a very good attempt at justification.
[QUOTE=Metalcastr;28958867]I also believe firmly in experimenting, but we should test the results before implementing a solution. I am not against GM foods, but we should test the results of modification thoroughly before introducing the product.[/QUOTE]
Right, because we were just dipping crops in toxic waste and seeing all the wacky mutations we got.
[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Maloof?;28958905]That's not a very good attempt at justification.[/QUOTE]
Neither is the naturalistic fallacy.
[QUOTE=Metalcastr;28958867]I also believe firmly in experimenting, but we should test the results before implementing a solution. I am not against GM foods, but we should test the results of modification thoroughly before introducing the product.[/QUOTE]
Uh, that's what they're doing?
[QUOTE=SNNS-SEAN;28958502]I think we should put lactating women into machines that milk them, and sell the milk as we do cow milk.[/QUOTE]
No, I dont wanna go D:
[QUOTE=Maloof?;28958905]That's not a very good attempt at justification.[/QUOTE]
Okay
[QUOTE=Maloof?;28958322]The problem with GM is that you're messing with the basic genetic code of an organism. We don't have the RIGHT to be messing with nature, for starters.
More seriously though, we don't understand it enough to be doing this; it's entirely possible that a genetically modified cow could be the perfect breeding- and mutation-ground for a number of viruses that would then go on to devastate cattle populations.
It could be that the bodies of GM cows would be the perfect home for microbes or insects that would otherwise be rejected by cows. This favouratism would result in a boom in the populations of these microbes/insects, which would in turn drive down the populations of whatever these bugs/insects feed on.
There's a balance, and we're fucking with it. And I don't like that.[/QUOTE]
You know what I find hilarious?
The majority of veterinary majors I know hate idiotic animal rights activists like you. Any chance you're dating some idiot from PETA?
Seriously, we've been messing with genes of animals for years when we selectively bred them. Yes, this has a more scientific side than just point at animals and choose what cow gets laid and what doesnt and hope something good comes out, but it's based on scientific fact, and like all things there will be government testing and standards in place to make sure nothing messes up.
[quote]I believe we should understand what we're doing, and the results of it. Not just try something blindly and hope it works out for the best.[/quote]As I said, I'm 99% sure there's going to be government testing and standards before this hits the market; if not, you always have the choice to buy it or not. It's not like they're going to stop selling dairy milk and replace it with breast milk anytime soon.
[QUOTE=Metalcastr;28958867]I also believe firmly in experimenting, but we should test the results before implementing a solution. I am not against GM foods, but we should test the results of modification thoroughly before introducing the product.[/QUOTE]
Of course we would, it would be the same as any other change in food. And to opponents of GM in general, crops and such, GM is literally just modern agriculture but more efficient. We've been messing with plant genes for a [I]long[/I] time now.
I don't see what the problem is? The objective of every living organism is to reproduce. By keeping farm animals we are ensuring that their species are successful, why shouldn't we modify them to better suit our needs? It ultimately helps them too, without us they'd be fucked.
So, would I feel comfortable drinking human milked out of a cow?
:raise:
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;28959070]I don't see what the problem is? The objective of every living organism is to reproduce. By keeping farm animals we are ensuring that their species are successful, why shouldn't we modify them to better suit our needs? It ultimately helps them too, without us they'd be fucked.[/QUOTE]
Seeing as they're kept in an enclosed space and fed through some machines, I suppose they don't enjoy their life much.
[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;28959077]So, would I feel comfortable drinking human milked out of a cow?
:raise:[/QUOTE]
How do you milk a human out of a cow?
Also it's not human milk, it's LIKE human milk. Similar but not the same. It's like asking if you're comfortable eating a human-like meat, eg from a pig.
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How do you milk a human out of a cow?
Also it's not human milk, it's LIKE human milk. Similar but not the same. It's like asking if you're comfortable eating a human-like meat, eg from a pig.[/QUOTE]
Yeah sure, would I feel comfortable drinking human-like milk coming out of a fucking genetic cow?
Sounds [b]sweet[/B] :dance:
it's not like we don't put shit we don't need in our bodies right as of now!
[QUOTE=johan_sm;28959113]Seeing as they're kept in an enclosed space and fed through some machines, I suppose they don't enjoy their life much.
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I never said they're happy, I said they're successful. Not all milking factories are bleak places where cows are chained up and unable to move. A lot of them actually allow the cows to get up and walk around, milking and grazing when they like. And even free range cows are kept locked up for half the year, they get sick or die VERY easily in cold, wet weather.
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;28957622]Yes because milking humans is much better.[/QUOTE]
Didn't PETA try to make dairy farmers do that once?
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;28957622]Yes because milking humans is much better.[/QUOTE]
Create jobs :bahgawd:
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;28959222]Didn't PETA try to make dairy farmers do that once?[/QUOTE]
i want that job :smug:
Uhhh formula is inferior to human milk primarily because A) There is a chemical bond associated with breast feeding that causes the brain to make connections at a very basic level during development and B) The mother's immunities are passed down through her breast milk to her child.
Yes, the milk itself bolsters the immune system, but the immunities are the long term benefit in terms of physical health. Something cattle aren't going to be able to pass down.
Basically if you are able to breast feed your child and choose not to, you are an irresponsible parent.
I find it hilarious that this thread is full of people who are disgusted by the prospect of drinking something that is more natural than the current alternative.
I'm curious how this would work for most people, iirc most non-Caucasian adults can't tolerate human lactose
[QUOTE=Maloof?;28958451]We don't have the right to advance as a species if the only means of doing so is to mess with nature. The most egotistical, dick-head thing I've ever heard anybody say is that we're 'more important' than the world around us.
Don't get me wrong, I ain't no vegetarian. I'm all for the natural process of things. Just don't expect me to be happy with the idea of ruining this fragile world we're on.[/QUOTE]
Gee guess we better level our cities then!
[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28959044]Of course we would, it would be the same as any other change in food. And to opponents of GM in general, crops and such, GM is literally just modern agriculture but more efficient. We've been messing with plant genes for a [I]long[/I] time now.[/QUOTE]
Also, GM agriculture has incredibly different ramifications then GM mammals, because it's far easier to stop mammals breeding.
I would LOVE a taste of some breast milk. Hell, I haven't had it in over 10 years
This is strange. But at least it's just one modification instead of a strange slew of other mods.
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;28957622]Yes because milking humans is much better.[/QUOTE]
Alright! :quagmire:
[QUOTE=GunFox;28960649]Uhhh formula is inferior to human milk primarily because A) There is a chemical bond associated with breast feeding that causes the brain to make connections at a very basic level during development and B) The mother's immunities are passed down through her breast milk to her child.
Yes, the milk itself bolsters the immune system, but the immunities are the long term benefit in terms of physical health. Something cattle aren't going to be able to pass down.
Basically if you are able to breast feed your child and choose not to, you are an irresponsible parent.[/QUOTE]
What if the baby doesn't want to?
The baby will want to be breastfed, it pretty much runs on instinct at that age, give it a tit to suck and it'll be happy as fuck.
And if it is averse to tits then breast milk in a bottle.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;28958451]We don't have the right to advance as a species if the only means of doing so is to mess with nature. The most egotistical, dick-head thing I've ever heard anybody say is that we're 'more important' than the world around us.
Don't get me wrong, I ain't no vegetarian. I'm all for the natural process of things. Just don't expect me to be happy with the idea of ruining this fragile world we're on.[/QUOTE]
Then get the fuck off the computer and live in the forest if you don't think humans should be advancing themselves.
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