American Journalist Tim Pool escorted by Swedish police to leave public area due to safety concerns. - Polidicks

[QUOTE]"This was the most extreme thing that has happened, even though nothing really happened. It's just that something might have happened, and the police got agitated," he noted.[/QUOTE] So the police acted appropriately during safety concerns and nothing happened after. Ok? This is nothing.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51899465]So the police acted appropriately during safety concerns and nothing happened after. Ok? This is nothing.[/QUOTE] Journalists having to leave a Swedish neighbourhood due to safety concerns is not nothing. He shouldn't have to leave in the first place. It's a public place and a country with free press.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51897243]Extra cautious to what would be a good question actually. Cause is this a normal behavior would be something to ask about Sweden.[/QUOTE] Gee whizz Tudd, I cant imagine what [i]you[/i] think they were being cautious about! [img]http://i.imgur.com/WrQCt3G.gif[/img] your faux veil of impartiality when posting garbage like this isnt fooling anyone dude

He kept repeating the advice that the police officers gave him, but I saw no comment from the police since it was cut. Almost the entire video they're being discreet with the camera, so why not the conversation with the police? Doesn't sound like a serious journalist to me. And from the source in OP: [QUOTE]UPDATED: Police have [I]disputed[/I] American journalist Tim Pool's [I]claim[/I] that he received an escort out of the Rinkeby suburb of Stockholm on Wednesday after he and his colleague were followed by masked men.[/QUOTE] No matter if the Swedish situation being dangerous is true or not (I don't think so), this is heavily exaggerated towards a biased point of view and is just bad journalism, if you can call it that.

[QUOTE=RB33;51899490]Journalists having to leave a Swedish neighbourhood due to safety concerns is not nothing. He shouldn't have to leave in the first place. It's a public place and a country with free press.[/QUOTE] Bless Sweden from being a country with free press or else this guy wouldn't had been able to report this.

[QUOTE=The bird Man;51899565]He kept repeating the advice that the police officers gave him, but I saw no comment from the police since it was cut. Almost the entire video they're being discreet with the camera, so why not the conversation with the police? Doesn't sound like a serious journalist to me. And from the source in OP: No matter if the Swedish situation being dangerous is true or not (I don't think so), this is heavily exaggerated towards a biased point of view and is just bad journalism, if you can call it that.[/QUOTE] The police didn't want to be on camera, he respected that, many so far hasn't wanted to be on camera. The video shows him being followed by the police, which means a de facto escort, even if it's not official. He could be making it all up but so far he hasn't shown the total chaos his viewers has expected. [QUOTE=Gwoodman;51899569]Bless Sweden from being a country with free press or else this guy wouldn't had been able to report this.[/QUOTE] Well, he can't really report on it when the police recommend him to leave. You do what the experts tell you to do.

[QUOTE=RB33;51899632]The police didn't want to be on camera, he respected that, many so far hasn't wanted to be on camera. The video shows him being followed by the police, which means a de facto escort, even if it's not official. He could be making it all up but so far he hasn't shown the total chaos his viewers has expected. Well, he can't really report on it when the police recommend him to leave. You do what the experts tell you to do.[/QUOTE] This Tim Pool seems a shady character, given his record. I'd look him up and read up on all the other times he's claimed to have been attacked. I don't think we're getting the whole story here.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51899645]This Tim Pool seems a shady character, given his record. I'd look him up and read up on all the other times he's claimed to have been attacked. I don't think we're getting the whole story here.[/QUOTE] He wasn't attacked this time but it's a place where you don't have to make this up. This has happened before in the same area, why would the police be following him then if there were no problems?

The fact that this, under his words, is "the most extreme thing that happened, even though nothing happened" should make this nothing to worry about.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51899663]The fact that this, under his words, is the most extreme thing that happened, even though nothing happened should be nothing to worry about.[/QUOTE] He had to leave the area and stop reporting and interviewing people. If he can't be in the area, he wants to investigate. Then that is worrying and not helpful to those who say there are no problems. We're missing out on the perspective of the local people here, because of this.

I recommend you message him and suggest for his return to that neighborhood.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51897243]Extra [B]cautious to what[/B] would be a good question actually. [B]Cause is this a normal behavior would be something to ask about Sweden.[/B][/QUOTE] It's not. Rinkeby is a small suburban neighborhood in the far outskirts of Stockholm, and it's a shit neighborhood that has gotten the short end of the stick ever since it was built in the 60s. It very quickly turned into a segregated ghetto and has remained one since the 90s. It's [I]not [/I]a representative of Sweden as a whole, not even slightly. And to say it is, is to say that any ghetto-neighborhood in any country is representative of the entire nation. Stop posing "rhetorical" Strawman-questions about my country.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51899687]I recommend you message him and suggest for his return to that neighborhood.[/QUOTE] He said that he might be going back. I hope he does, does anyone have anything to lose on that?

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51899690]It's not. Rinkeby is a small suburban neighborhood in the far outskirts of Stockholm, and it's a shit neighborhood that has gotten the short end of the stick ever since it was built in the 60s. It very quickly turned into a segregated ghetto and has remained one since the 90s. It's [I]not [/I]a representative of Sweden as a whole, not even slightly. And to say it is, is to say that any ghetto-neighborhood in any country is representative of the entire nation. Stop posing "rhetorical" Strawman-questions about my country.[/QUOTE] Well I never think these things are representative of all of Sweden. But I am getting conflicting posts from people now on FP where they say "No Go" zones don't exist, but here you essentially confirm they do and we should just ignore them.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51897243]Extra cautious to what would be a good question actually. Cause is this a normal behavior would be something to ask about Sweden.[/QUOTE] Why does Sweden worry you so much that you are going on a binge about it, coincidentally ever since Trump lied about "what happened last night". If social safety worries you so much, why aren't you most focused on your own home and fellows citizens in places like Chicago. [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tudd;51899717]Well I never think these things are representative of all of Sweden. But I am getting conflicting posts from people now on FP where they say "No Go" zones don't exist, but here you essentially confirm they do and we should just ignore them.[/QUOTE] US has lots of "ghettos and hoods", do you call them no-go zones as well?

[QUOTE=Tudd;51899717]Well I never think these things are representative of all of Sweden. But I am getting conflicting posts from people now on FP where they say "No Go" zones don't exist, but here you essentially confirm they do and we should just ignore them.[/QUOTE] The claim about "no go zones" is that police refuse to go into certain areas The video is about the police being in a certain area and escorting a reporter out of it Are you incapable of using your brain

[QUOTE=Tudd;51899717]Well I never think these things are representative of all of Sweden. [/QUOTE] You literally said "Cause is this a normal behavior would be [B]something to ask about Sweden.[/B]" - posing the implication that this small suburban neighborhood would be representative of the entire country. [QUOTE=Tudd;51899717]But I am getting conflicting posts from people now on FP where they say "No Go" zones don't exist, but here you essentially confirm they do and we should just ignore them.[/QUOTE] What? How did you get that from my reply? I confirmed that there's a ghetto area, not a "no-go" zone. That isn't news, there's ghettos in most countries. Are you saying you don't have ghettos in the United States? Ever heard of [I]Detroit?[/I]

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51899729]The claim about "no go zones" is that police refuse to go into certain areas The video is about the police being in a certain area and escorting a reporter out of it Are you incapable of using your brain[/QUOTE] Actually no go zones are more like the police are hampered by doing their normal functions or know their presence can cause problems. Doesn't mean they literally can't go in there.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51899722]Why does Sweden worry you so much that you are going on a binge about it, coincidentally ever since Trump lied about "what happened last night". If social safety worries you so much, why aren't you most focused on your own home and fellows citizens in places like Chicago. [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] US has lots of "ghettos and hoods", do you call them no-go zones as well?[/QUOTE] I care about both, but Sweden is in the news because this is a relatively new phenomenon that journalists can't go into certain areas there without danger for simply filming.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51899755]I care about both, but Sweden is in the news because this is a relatively new phenomenon that journalists can't go into certain areas there without danger for simply filming.[/QUOTE] [B]One [/B]area. [B]Two [/B]instances. The Australian "60 minutes" crew (assuming those were the ones you're blabbering about) were in this [I]exact [/I]same location.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51899755]I care about both, but Sweden is in the news because this is a relatively new phenomenon that journalists can't go into certain areas there without danger for simply filming.[/QUOTE] According to Tim Pool. You really buying his story without all the facts?

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51899763][B]One [/B]area. [B]Two [/B]instances. The Australian "60 minutes" crew (assuming those were the ones you're blabbering about) were in this [I]exact [/I]same location.[/QUOTE] It shouldn't be happening at all, should we ever accept that it happens? In most places in our country, this would never happen. What do we do to keep it from happening in these places? Because for me, once is one time too many.

[QUOTE=RB33;51899777]It shouldn't be happening at all, should we ever accept that it happens? In most places in our country, this would never happen. What do we do to keep it from happening in these places?[/QUOTE] Who is "accepting" it? I'm trying to stuff into Tudd's noggin' that he's dreaming up scenarios about the entire country when in reality these are isolated incidents in [I]one [/I]bad neighborhood.

[QUOTE=RB33;51899777]It shouldn't be happening at all, should we ever accept that it happens? In most places in our country, this would never happen.[/QUOTE] Are you really claiming that there are no places in the US where it's unsafe to be with expensive camera equipment?

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51899800]Are you really claiming that there are no places in the US where it's unsafe to be with expensive camera equipment?[/QUOTE] To be fair, his flagdog says Sweden. So he probably meant Sweden. That said, I found one other instance of this happenening, a few days ago in Örebro. [url]http://www.na.se/orebro-lan/orebro/na-s-reporterteam-attackerat-av-ungdomsgang-vid-vivallabranden[/url] But this attack seemed targeted specifically towards this (local) news organization than reporters in general.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51899785]Who is "accepting" it? I'm trying to stuff into Tudd's noggin' that he's dreaming up scenarios about the entire country when in reality these are isolated incidents in [I]one [/I]bad neighborhood.[/QUOTE] If police rather tell journalists to leave than staying there to ensure their safety if needed, what are we doing then? Had Tudd ever said he thought this meant the whole country? Because you're rarely referring to an entire country, when you take about bad issues.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51899755]I care about both, but Sweden is in the news because this is a relatively new phenomenon that journalists can't go into certain areas there without danger for simply filming.[/QUOTE] People being in danger for going into bad neighborhoods isn't a new phenomenon.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51899822]To be fair, his flagdog says Sweden. So he probably meant Sweden. That said, I found one other instance of this happenening, a few days ago in Örebro. [url]http://www.na.se/orebro-lan/orebro/na-s-reporterteam-attackerat-av-ungdomsgang-vid-vivallabranden[/url] But this attack seemed targeted specifically towards this (local) news organization than reporters in general.[/QUOTE] So this is what could've happen to Tim in this case, it's sad to see this. This kind of lack of respect for journalists is just bad for democracy.

[QUOTE=RB33;51899829]If police rather tell journalists to leave than staying there to ensure their safety if needed, what are we doing then?[/QUOTE] Did you watch the video? They didn't tell them "you need to leave", they waved them over and said "things could get bad" and when Tim Pool asked [I]if [/I]that meant they [I]should [/I]leave, the police suggested it would be a wise idea. They had a choice to stay there. [QUOTE=RB33;51899829]Had Tudd ever said he thought this meant the whole country? Because you're rarely referring to an entire country, when you take about bad issues.[/QUOTE] He literally said: [QUOTE=Tudd;51897243]Cause is this a normal behavior would be [B]something to ask about Sweden.[/B][/QUOTE] The implication is there. [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=RB33;51899856]So this is what could've happen to Tim in this case, it's sad to see this. This kind of lack of respect for journalists is just bad for democracy.[/QUOTE] Read my post again. The incident I linked was the only other recent one I could find [B]AND [/B]it seemed connected to the [I]local news network themselves,[/I] and wasn't towards journalists as a whole. [quote]Ett gäng tonåriga killar samlas i närheten av teamet, och börjar ropa saker som [B]"Fuck NA" och "ni svartmålar vårt område"[/B]. Sedan kastar de [B]snöbollar [/B]mot reportrarna.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51899785]Who is "accepting" it? I'm trying to stuff into Tudd's noggin' that he's dreaming up scenarios about the entire country when in reality these are isolated incidents in [I]one [/I]bad neighborhood.[/QUOTE] Actually I don't. I just think people (like some in here) are kind of downplaying it even though statistically it is small. I mean really, poor areas have always existed, but how many can you not film in them without invoking potential violence and having the police recommend you leave? Hell, even with that Top Gear example, I dear someone to drive car that through Rinkeby. It's problem here and it's a problem there.