American Journalist Tim Pool escorted by Swedish police to leave public area due to safety concerns. - Polidicks

You're quite a few years late if only now you are aware and care about the problem with ghettos and acting weirdly if Rinkeby is such a specific concern of yours, do you have a special connection to it?

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51899861]Did you watch the video? They didn't tell them "you need to leave", they waved them over and said "things could get bad" and when Tim Pool asked [I]if [/I]that meant they [I]should [/I]leave, the police suggested it would be a wise idea. They had a choice to stay there.[/QUOTE] And possibly be attacked and having more people coming there to cause trouble. He did the right thing by not escalating it. We're still accepting it a bit by not ensuring their safety though. [QUOTE]The implication is there.[/QUOTE] His way of wording that might be going too far but the same wording can appropriate sometimes. The country as a whole need to take responsibility and not just the local government, which often has lots of issues.

It's pretty annoying to see focusing on problem zones when they are generally unsafer ( hello Detroit, Chicago ) and always it is used to spin propaganda about immigrants rather than studying more likely causes ( unemployment etc. )

[QUOTE=Tudd;51899868]Actually I don't. I just think people (like some in here) are kind of downplaying it even though statistically it is small. I mean really, poor areas have always existed, but how many can you not film in them without invoking violence? Hell, even with that Top Gear example, I dear someone to drive car that through Rinkeby. It's problem here and it's a problem there.[/QUOTE] Again, Tudd, get this through your head: It was [B]two [/B]incidents in [B]one [/B]neighborhood. This one, and the 60 Minutes crew last year in March. And furthermore, only the 60 Minutes crew actually got attacked. Tim Pool fled the scene before anything actually happened. [editline]a[/editline] [QUOTE=RB33;51899885]And possibly be attacked and having more people coming there to cause trouble. He did the right thing by not escalating it. We're still accepting it a bit by not ensuring their safety though.[/QUOTE] Again, watch the video. The police suggested that they leave. They didn't have to. And if they stayed, the police would have been protecting them, just like they protected the 60 Minutes crew. Tim Pool [I]decided [/I]to flee the area.

[QUOTE=Sasupoika;51899887]It's pretty annoying to see focusing on problem zones when they are generally unsafer ( hello Detroit, Chicago ) and always it is used to spin propaganda about immigrants rather than studying more likely causes ( unemployment etc. )[/QUOTE] Chicago is USAs problem, these areas are Swedens problem. They can focus on theirs, we focus on ours. Sweden don't have to focus on Chicago and US shouldn't focus on Sweden either. But getting a little spotlight on issues from abroad might help one to do something about it. [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Coyoteze;51899861]Read my post again. The incident I linked was the only other recent one I could find [B]AND [/B]it seemed connected to the [I]local news network themselves,[/I] and wasn't towards journalists as a whole.[/QUOTE] They don't stop being journalists just because they are a local news network. It's still an attack against journalism. [QUOTE]– Det var mer ett [B]isblock[/B] än en snöboll, och det tar hårt i sidan av bakhuvudet och slår till glasögonen på min kollega, säger NA:s reporter.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Coyoteze;51899901]Again, watch the video. The police suggested that they leave. They didn't have to. And if they stayed, the police would have been protecting them, just like they protected the 60 Minutes crew. Tim Pool [I]decided [/I]to flee the area.[/QUOTE] If police tell you that trouble might be coming and you trust them, you follow their advice. If the police would have stayed, good. They shouldn't have to recommend someone to leave though.

[QUOTE=RB33;51899908]They don't stop being journalists just because they are a local news network. It's still an attack against journalism.[/QUOTE] No, it's an attack against that network in particular. Context is what they were shouting. You can't just make up a new context because it fits your narrative better. [QUOTE=RB33;51899908]If police tell you that trouble might be coming and you trust them, you follow their advice. If the police would have stayed, good. They shouldn't have to recommend someone to leave though.[/QUOTE] If you're an investigative reporter with a profile picture touting a "PRESS"-decorated army-vest, maybe you should actually [I]not [/I]follow the advice of the police and do the reporting you set out to do. If crime is afoot, the cops should definetely tell people it's in their best interest to leave. They shouldn't have to, but we don't live in a fucking utopia - because that's about the only scenario where cops "shouldn't have to do that". They'd do this in any neighborhood if something might go down, irregardless of who might be the suspected criminal or what area it is.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51900004]No, it's an attack against that network in particular. Context is what they were shouting. You can't just make up a new context because it fits your narrative better.[/QUOTE] They are still journalists though, they got attacked because some people didn't like their networks journalism. How is that not an attack against journalism? So Trumps attacks against the "fake news" is not an attack against journalism either then? [QUOTE]If you're an investigative reporter with a profile picture touting a "PRESS"-decorated army-vest, maybe you should actually [I]not [/I]follow the advice of the police and do the reporting you set out to do. If crime is afoot, the cops should definetely tell people it's in their best interest to leave. They shouldn't have to, but we don't live in a fucking utopia - because that's about the only scenario where cops "shouldn't have to do that".[/QUOTE] So you should disregard whatever safety concerns there are? He's still a person you know, he's not immune to attacks. So you are accepting this? We're not in a utopia so police should you tell people to leave rather than remain and ensure that journalistic work is possible?

[QUOTE=RB33;51899908]They don't stop being journalists just because they are a local news network. It's still an attack against journalism.[/QUOTE] No, it's an attack against that network in particular. Context is what they were shouting. You can't just make up a new context because it fits your narrative better. [QUOTE=RB33;51899908]If police tell you that trouble might be coming and you trust them, you follow their advice. If the police would have stayed, good. They shouldn't have to recommend someone to leave though.[/QUOTE] If you're an investigative reporter with a profile picture touting a "PRESS"-decorated army-vest, maybe you should actually [I]not [/I]follow the advice of the police and do the reporting you set out to do. If crime is afoot, the cops should definetely tell people it's in their best interest to leave. They shouldn't have to, but we don't live in a fucking utopia - because that's about the only scenario where cops "shouldn't have to do that". They'd do this in any neighborhood if something might go down, irregardless of who might be the suspected criminal or what area it is.

Bad neighbourhoods becoming worse is a real problem to be addressed, but maybe actual progress could be made if the spotlight wasn't be constantly stolen by people peddling the idea of a barbarian invasion of pure western cultures

[QUOTE=Talishmar;51900102]Bad neighbourhoods becoming worse is a real problem to be addressed, but maybe actual progress could be made if the spotlight wasn't be constantly stolen by people peddling the idea of a barbarian invasion of pure western cultures[/QUOTE] This is the problem in Sweden, mainstream media refuses to discuss the issues, the people turn to mostly extreme-right websites instead. The middle ground is so weak, that it's only hurting the immigrants in the end. If the media were more open about it, we wouldn't have SD (anti-immigrant party) as strong as it is right now.

The police probably wanted to have no situation like this happening: [video=youtube;sEeXd9b01uY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEeXd9b01uY[/video] I can't believe how people can say that it is nothing. It is on par telling women not to dress the way that other cultures may be offended or even assaulting them.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51899747]Actually no go zones are more like the police are hampered by doing their normal functions or know their presence can cause problems. Doesn't mean they literally can't go in there.[/QUOTE] Then "no go zone" is a bit of a misleading term isn't it? Pretty hypocritical when you complain about sensationalism and bias in the media.

[QUOTE=RB33;51900092]They are still journalists though, they got attacked because some people didn't like their networks journalism. How is that not an attack against journalism? So Trumps attacks against the "fake news" is not an attack against journalism either then?[/QUOTE] Not comparable. Trump attacks ALL news, with a few strange exclusions (Fox/Breitbart etc). The attack I linked was towards a SINGULAR news station. There's no telling it was against journalism as a whole, there's no telling what the reaction would be if it'd been, say, SVT or Aftonbladet there instead. [QUOTE=RB33;51900092]So you should disregard whatever safety concerns there are? He's still a person you know, he's not immune to attacks. So you are accepting this? We're not in a utopia so police should you tell people to leave rather than remain and ensure that journalistic work is possible?[/QUOTE] Oh my fucking god, I want to gouge my eyes out - [I]nobody is [B]"accepting"[/B] anything![/I] The police [I][B]didn't force them to leave[/B],[/I] they said "hey, this place could be dangerous" and Tim Pool [I]himself [B]decided[/B][/I] to leave based on that information. If he had stayed, the police [I]would have protected them, just like they did with the 60 Minutes crew last year.[/I] The police telling civilians crime could be afoot is just them [I]doing their fucking job,[/I] and they would do this in any neighborhood, in any city, in any [I]country[/I] if civilians might be at risk of inbound crime. [editline]e[/editline] [QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51900140]The police probably wanted to have no situation like this happening: -60 Minutes Crew- I can't believe how people can say that it is nothing. It is on par telling women not to dress the way that other cultures may be offended or even assaulting them.[/QUOTE] This is the [I]only other incident [/I]where this happened and it's [I]in the same neighborhood[/I]. As you can see, the police stepped in. Fucking hell, I am so goddamn tired of people sensationalising this shit as if it's the goddamn end of my country.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51900180]Not comparable. Trump attacks ALL news, with a few strange exclusions (Fox/Breitbart etc). The attack I linked was towards a SINGULAR news station. There's no telling it was against journalism as a whole, there's no telling what the reaction would be if it'd been, say, SVT or Aftonbladet there instead.[/QUOTE] We will disagree then, I think an attack on journalists is an attack on journalists as a whole. If you attack the idea of journalists doing their job freely, you're harming other journalists as well. [QUOTE]Oh my fucking god, I want to gouge my eyes out - [I]nobody is [B]"accepting"[/B] anything![/I] The police [I][B]didn't force them to leave[/B],[/I] they said "hey, this place could be dangerous" and Tim Pool [I]himself [B]decided[/B][/I] to leave based on that information. If he had stayed, the police [I]would have protected them, just like they did with the 60 Minutes crew last year.[/I] The police telling civilians crime could be afoot is just them [I]doing their fucking job,[/I] and they would do this in any neighborhood, in any city, in any [I]country[/I] if civilians might be at risk of inbound crime[/QUOTE] You're accepting the problems, if you rather remove the innocent than preventing the troublemakers. [QUOTE]This is the [I]only other incident [/I]where this happened and it's [I]in the same neighborhood[/I]. As you can see, the police stepped in. Fucking hell, I am so goddamn tired of people sensationalising this shit.[/QUOTE] Here's another one with a Norwegian team: [url]http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/hot-och-stenkastning-mot-norska-journalister-1[/url] It's likely to happen more often if more journalists investigated this.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51900180]Not comparable. Trump attacks ALL news, with a few strange exclusions (Fox/Breitbart etc). The attack I linked was towards a SINGULAR news station. There's no telling it was against journalism as a whole, there's no telling what the reaction would be if it'd been, say, SVT or Aftonbladet there instead. Oh my fucking god, I want to gouge my eyes out - [I]nobody is [B]"accepting"[/B] anything![/I] The police [I][B]didn't force them to leave[/B],[/I] they said "hey, this place could be dangerous" and Tim Pool [I]himself [B]decided[/B][/I] to leave based on that information. If he had stayed, the police [I]would have protected them, just like they did with the 60 Minutes crew last year.[/I] The police telling civilians crime could be afoot is just them [I]doing their fucking job,[/I] and they would do this in any neighborhood, in any city, in any [I]country[/I] if civilians might be at risk of inbound crime. [editline]e[/editline] This is the [I]only other incident [/I]where this happened and it's [I]in the same neighborhood[/I]. As you can see, the police stepped in. Fucking hell, I am so goddamn tired of people sensationalising this shit as if it's the goddamn end of my country.[/QUOTE] Why are you normalising violent behaviour? These people come into the country and are getting helped, and this is how they thank you? How can you accept that?

[QUOTE=Tudd;51897243]Extra cautious to what would be a good question actually. Cause is this a normal behavior would be something to ask about Sweden.[/QUOTE] Isn't concern trolling like this bannable [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51900519]Why are you normalising violent behaviour? These people come into the country and are getting helped, and this is how they thank you? How can you accept that?[/QUOTE] The area was already poor and more dangerous than the average neighborhood before immigrants.

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51900519]Why are you normalising violent behaviour? These people come into the country and are getting helped, and this is how they thank you? How can you accept that?[/QUOTE] How the fuck am I normalising violent behavior? I'm simply clarifying that these are isolated incidents in one neighborhood, I'm not saying they're okay - I'm DE-SENSATIONALISING it because people seem to think that "Oh shit these [B]3[/B] things happened in the span of [B]a year[/B], [U][I]shit[/I][/U], [I]SOUND THE FUCKING ALARM, [B]SWEDEN IS GOING :excited:[U]DOWN THE DRAIN!!![/U][/B]:excited:[/I]". It's starting to piss me off, basically. It's like people have completely forgotten that [I]ghettos are a thing,[/I]

[QUOTE=CunningHam;51900617]I thought threads around fake news got closed.[/QUOTE] What about this is fake, the video shows the police van escorting him away.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51900629]How the fuck am I normalising violent behavior? I'm simply clarifying that these are isolated incidents in one neighborhood, I'm not saying they're okay - I'm DE-SENSATIONALISING it because people seem to think that "Oh shit these [B]3[/B] things happened in the span of [B]a year[/B], [U][I]shit[/I][/U], [I]SOUND THE FUCKING ALARM, [B]SWEDEN IS GOING :excited:[U]DOWN THE DRAIN!!![/U][/B]:excited:[/I]". It's starting to piss me off, basically. It's like people have completely forgotten that [I]ghettos are a thing,[/I][/QUOTE] no dude it's dangerous and there are immigrants there, it's GOTTA BE THE IMMIGRANTS MAN! [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] If you walked into a ghetto in Los Angeles with a public plan to find out why there are so many mexicans and if they were making the ghetto more dangerous, you would be on a suicide mission. Not because mexicans are dangerous, but because you're walking into a ghetto with the intent to show the world that they're nothing but criminal scum.

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51900743]If you walked into a ghetto in Los Angeles with a public plan to find out why there are so many mexicans and if they were making the ghetto more dangerous, you would be on a suicide mission. Not because mexicans are dangerous, but because you're walking into a ghetto with the intent to show the world that they're nothing but criminal scum.[/QUOTE] What you should then is to do anything but being violent and threatening. You're not ever doing your community a favor by confirming prejudices against you. Be friendly and prove those people wrong.

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51900743]no dude it's dangerous and there are immigrants there, it's GOTTA BE THE IMMIGRANTS MAN! [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] If you walked into a ghetto in Los Angeles with a public plan to find out why there are so many mexicans and if they were making the ghetto more dangerous, you would be on a suicide mission. Not because mexicans are dangerous, but because you're walking into a ghetto with the intent to show the world that they're nothing but criminal scum.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure why this example would make this ok. It isn't right there and it isn't right in this area. But even then, I doubt if you were a small filming crew, the mere act of filming would get you a threatening response warranting police recommendation to leave the area in any place of LA.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51901031]I'm not sure why this example would make this ok. It isn't right there and it isn't right in this area. But even then, I doubt if you were a small filming crew, the mere act of filming would get you a threatening response warranting police recommendation to leave the area in any place of LA.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Pool said he and his colleague did have a sizable camera on them, but[B] they were not filming[/B] when groups started to gather, and that they had used the same equipment in Malmö's Rosengård suburb without issue.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tudd;51899755]I care about both, but Sweden is in the news because this is a relatively new phenomenon that journalists can't go into certain areas there without danger for simply filming.[/QUOTE] Go to Chicago's south side or parts of Atlanta in the evening and try filming unescorted with a crew and see how that goes for you. Surprisingly none of the residents there are muslim! What a phenomena, American no go zones!

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51901059]Stuff[/QUOTE] Well that doesn't make things better if just physically holding a camera agitates violence. Though if I remember correctly from Tim Pool's video they were filming and making an effort to avoid shots of filming people obnoxiously. [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman;51901082]Go to Chicago's south side or parts of Atlanta in the evening and try filming unescorted with a crew and see how that goes for you. Surprisingly none of the residents there are muslim! What a phenomena, American no go zones![/QUOTE] Actually I still don't think that would be an issue. Having watched alot of Louis Theroux documentaries of them tackling insanely poor areas like Harlem/Phillie and walking around in public filming, didn't seem like they ever got attacked for doing that. And even if they did, that is a problem.

Who said anything about it being better, I was just pointing out you were wrong. [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] And of course impoverished, badly educated areas are a problem, so is trying to spin this as some sort of media censorship conspiracy.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51901087]Well that doesn't make things better if just physically holding a camera agitates violence. Though if I remember correctly from Tim Pool's video they were filming and making an effort to avoid shots of filming people obnoxiously. [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] Actually I still don't think that would be an issue. Having watched alot of Louis Theroux documentaries of them tackling insanely poor areas like Harlem/Phillie and walking around in public filming, didn't seem like they ever got attacked for doing that. And even if they did, that is a problem.[/QUOTE] So you don't think the place with 2.5 murders a night would be cause for alarm filming? but some ghetto in Sweden with drastically lower murder rate is? Purely off murder rate alone I'd be way more scared filming in Chicago than Sweden.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51901123]And of course impoverished, badly educated areas are a problem, so is trying to spin this as some sort of media censorship conspiracy.[/QUOTE] They rather avoid talking about it and self-censor themselves or explain it away if possible. It's not a good situation and has caused a rise of anti-immigrant sentiment. There is no doubt that the typical US right-wing view of this is extremely exaggerated though.

[QUOTE=Aman;51901159]So you don't think the place with 2.5 murders a night would be cause for alarm filming? but some ghetto in Sweden with drastically lower murder rate is? Purely off murder rate alone I'd be way more scared filming in Chicago than Sweden.[/QUOTE] One has a scarier crime rate for sure, but the other seems to be easily agitated by filming and can result in mob violence as opposed to the other. Either way I hope both get more media coverage. More Journalism is only beneficial for both sides of the argument.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51900629]How the fuck am I normalising violent behavior? I'm simply clarifying that these are isolated incidents in one neighborhood, I'm not saying they're okay - I'm DE-SENSATIONALISING it because people seem to think that "Oh shit these [B]3[/B] things happened in the span of [B]a year[/B], [U][I]shit[/I][/U], [I]SOUND THE FUCKING ALARM, [B]SWEDEN IS GOING :excited:[U]DOWN THE DRAIN!!![/U][/B]:excited:[/I]". It's starting to piss me off, basically. It's like people have completely forgotten that [I]ghettos are a thing,[/I][/QUOTE] So what number do you consider to be the one that crosses the line? [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Radical_ed;51900587]Isn't concern trolling like this bannable [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] The area was already poor and more dangerous than the average neighborhood before immigrants.[/QUOTE] Do you mind posting your source? [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman;51901082]Go to Chicago's south side or parts of Atlanta in the evening and try filming unescorted with a crew and see how that goes for you. Surprisingly none of the residents there are muslim! What a phenomena, American no go zones![/QUOTE] Ok, so Chicago and Detroit are shitholes, so that makes it okay to have a shithole in Sweden too, because it is not as bad of a shithole as Chicago or Detroit?

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51901380]So what number do you consider to be the one that crosses the line?[/QUOTE] ...?????????? [I]line[/I]???? I never said "3 is fine" to begin with, 3 is 3 too many, but we don't live in a goddamn utopia though, so I don't expect things to be fine and dandy. I'm trying to establish to you that this isn't "[B][I]BREAKING NEWS SWEDENISTAN IS [U]DYING[/U][/I][/B]", like the alt-right make it out to be. It's a ghetto. [I]That's it.[/I] You have ghettos in Germany too, but nobody's making a big international fuzz about them.