Day of violence hits Iraqi cities-48 people killed so far - Polidicks

On one hand I'm glad to see the US imperialism failing. On the other hand, it would only be good for the Iraqis to have a stable democracy. I think we should have left long ago. We all know the moment we loosen our grip completely we're losing the country.

[QUOTE=Detective P;24344545]On one hand I'm glad to see the US imperialism failing. [/QUOTE] What

What do these wack jobs hope to accomplish blow attacking civilians and blowing them selves up. I mean really. How do you gain support for your cause. Does killing the people who are needed to support you help or does actually trying to make a difference for the good of the people.

[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;24344728]What do these wack jobs hope to accomplish blow attacking civilians and blowing them selves up. I mean really. How do you gain support for your cause. Does killing the people who are needed to support you help or does actually trying to make a difference for the good of the people.[/QUOTE] They're not looking for support. They're looking to terrorize the people into submission.

I knew this was going to happen, it was inevitable, most if not all if you probably knew it too. The moment those insurgents felt the heat fade away off their backs they were going to turn around and make make a grab for power again. US presence in the Middle East is a fool's errand to begin with and we'd be better off not having ANYTHING at all to do with them. This of course goes way back before 9/11.

well they still live in the stone age.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;24346576]well they still live in the stone age.[/QUOTE] No.

The United States does not have an interest in acquiring Iraq and Afghanistan as territory, as we are trying to get out. The "Imperialism" argument is tired and useless. Imperialism is where we try to take as much territory as possible rather than try to stabilize the regions and pull out after a while.

[QUOTE=Detective P;24344545]On one hand I'm glad to see the US imperialism failing.[/QUOTE] You DO realize it isnt Imperialism if the invading country leaves, right?

[QUOTE=Ridge;24348700]You DO realize it isnt Imperialism if the invading country leaves, right?[/QUOTE] You DO realize that invading a country with an army isn't the only way to be imperialistic, right? And you DO realize there are still 50,000 troops and an undisclosed amount of private contractors still in Iraq, right?

This is also happening in Kirkuk, Iraq thats were my brother is stationed.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24343971][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isin[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kish_%28Sumer%29"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kish_%28Sumer%29[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_Empire[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruk[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippur[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineveh[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mari,_Syria[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleppo[/URL] :eng101: The list goes on.[/QUOTE] And it was all destroyed :colbert:. I don't see what you're getting at.

[QUOTE=siberpredaht;24350507]You DO realize that invading a country with an army isn't the only way to be imperialistic, right? [/quote] How do you think we are being imperialistic, then? [quote]And you DO realize there are still 50,000 troops and an undisclosed amount of private contractors still in Iraq, right?[/QUOTE] 50,000 non-combat troops. Meaning they will only start shooting if they take fire. And contractors are not part of the US government or military. Most of the contracters are construction firms, followed up by private security forces usually hired by the Iraqi government.

[QUOTE=booster;24342638]Will Iraq ever be a good place? For the past years it's been a total shithole.[/QUOTE] kinda hard to be progressive when you've got evil dictators, wars, invasions, and large terrorist groups

Maybe one day, Iraq will end up like Vietnam. Look at Vietnam after the war. They are slowing progressing to become a 1st world nation [editline]02:19PM[/editline] Just give them time. I say 20 years or let me lose a one dollar coin down the drain

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24344616]What[/QUOTE] pffff, 900+ military bases and a tonne of conquered land doesn't mean imperialism.

[QUOTE=BCell;24356294]Maybe one day, Iraq will end up like Vietnam. Look at Vietnam after the war. They are slowing progressing to become a 1st world nation [editline]02:19PM[/editline] Just give them time. I say 20 years or let me lose a one dollar coin down the drain[/QUOTE] Vietnam is getting richer but the standard of living is nowhere near a first world country. It's not really a good example though because most of Asia is following the same pattern, the war didn't really change where they are now.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;24358177]Vietnam is getting richer but the standard of living is nowhere near a first world country. It's not really a good example though because most of Asia is following the same pattern, the war didn't really change where they are now.[/QUOTE] But on the bright side, they are more friendly to outsiders now [editline]06:10PM[/editline] Give them time. One day, the Iraqis will be rich and peaceful. Time will heal all wounds.

[QUOTE=ShootEvryRapper;24342621]In the middle east, it is a mortal sin to eat the flesh of an animal after having sex with it.[/QUOTE] Wait, so it ISN'T a sin to have sex with it in the first place?

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;24359667]Wait, so it ISN'T a sin to have sex with it in the first place?[/QUOTE] Well what do you think Farmers do all day?

[QUOTE=Warhol;24358010]pffff, 900+ military bases and a tonne of conquered land doesn't mean imperialism.[/QUOTE] What land have we "conquered" outside of the US itself? We pay for our bases on foreign soil. C'mon, Mike, you can do better than generic statements.

[QUOTE=Ridge;24355259]How do you think we are being imperialistic, then?[/quote] 1-Presence of troops in their nation (see: 135 countries) 2-US-supported members of government (see: Historical: West Germany, Germany, France, UK, South Korea, South Vietnam, Thailand, Panama, Costa Rica, Cuba, others; Contemporary: South Korea, Japan, Panama, Costa Rica, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia) 3-US-trained officers and generals in Iraqi military 4-Placement of US soldiers above Iraqi army in chain of command (see: Japan, S. Korea) 5-Oversight, control, and limitations placed onto the Iraqi Army (see: Germany, Afghanistan, Japan, S. Korea) 6-Importing US businesses, forcing of culture as a direct consequence (see: Western world, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Hong Kong, India, S. Korea, Japan, Russia, Eastern Europe minus Baltic Nations) 7-Active espionage campaigns (see: Afghanistan, Israel, Germany, France, UK, Russia, S. Korea, China, Taiwan, Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Thailand, more) 8-Forcing of economic dependency and trade, our major source of imperialism (see: UK, Germany, S. Korea, Japan, France to an extent, Netherlands, Poland, Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia, Thailand, Afghanistan, Israel)

[QUOTE=Detective P;24369676]1-Presence of troops in their nation (see: 135 countries)[/quote] We lease bases around the world, as I said before. We pay them to use their land. [quote]2-US-supported members of government (see: Historical: West Germany, Germany, France, UK, South Korea, South Vietnam, Thailand, Panama, Costa Rica, Cuba, others; Contemporary: South Korea, Japan, Panama, Costa Rica, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia)[/quote] Detective, would you be so kind as to detect some proof? [quote]3-US-trained officers and generals in Iraqi military[/quote] We kinda killed all of them, so somebody needs to teach them how to fight [quote]4-Placement of US soldiers above Iraqi army in chain of command (see: Japan, S. Korea)[/quote] See above [quote]5-Oversight, control, and limitations placed onto the Iraqi Army (see: Germany, Afghanistan, Japan, S. Korea)[/quote] Many of the people in the Iraqi army just a couple years ago were shooting up markets and have infiltrated the army. Somebody needs to provide some QC. [quote]6-Importing US businesses, forcing of culture as a direct consequence (see: Western world, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Hong Kong, India, S. Korea, Japan, Russia, Eastern Europe minus Baltic Nations)[/quote] So its the US's fault that other countries voluntarily decide they want to buy products? [quote]7-Active espionage campaigns (see: Afghanistan, Israel, Germany, France, UK, Russia, S. Korea, China, Taiwan, Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Thailand, more)[/quote] Proof, or even a conspiratist news story would suffice. [quote]8-Forcing of economic dependency and trade, our major source of imperialism (see: UK, Germany, S. Korea, Japan, France to an extent, Netherlands, Poland, Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia, Thailand, Afghanistan, Israel)[/QUOTE] Again, we provide something these countries want, and they are willing to pay for it, so the US is at fault? You are really reaching, brother. 3,4 and 5 are legitimate complaints. 1,2,6,7 and 8 are idiotic.

[QUOTE=Ridge;24361899]What land have we "conquered" outside of the US itself? We pay for our bases on foreign soil. C'mon, Mike, you can do better than generic statements.[/QUOTE] You paid Indians and the Hawaiians? [editline]12:22AM[/editline] this is news to me

[QUOTE=Warhol;24373011]You paid Indians and the Hawaiians? [editline]12:22AM[/editline] this is news to me[/QUOTE] That is why I said outside of America.

this is like the tet (tit?) offensive in Vietnam, a military and social disaster outright and a major turning point towards american victory but its viewed as the straw that broke the elephants back on the home front. Let me ask you this fp, if a "freedom" fighter shot your father would you be sympathetic for his cause?

[QUOTE=Idi Amin;24373820]this is like the tet (tit?) offensive in Vietnam, a military and social disaster outright and a major turning point towards american victory but its viewed as the straw that broke the elephants back on the home front. Let me ask you this fp, if a "freedom" fighter shot your father would you be sympathetic for his cause?[/QUOTE] Have a little story. Where I used to live, there was a tonne of little stands around, one was a book store. So I went there to check out some books. The guy who runs the stand is a Vietnam vet who lost his son and a few of his buddies in war. Iraq and Vietnam. He hated the people who killed his son, but he sympathised with them. Now he's not the only one. to be honest, I've seen a lot of soldiers or people who support the soldiers or their country a lot sympathise with the insurgency. it's not exactly shocking.

[QUOTE=Warhol;24374708]Have a little story. Where I used to live, there was a tonne of little stands around, one was a book store. So I went there to check out some books. The guy who runs the stand is a Vietnam vet who lost his son and a few of his buddies in war. Iraq and Vietnam. He hated the people who killed his son, but he sympathised with them. Now he's not the only one. to be honest, I've seen a lot of soldiers or people who support the soldiers or their country a lot sympathise with the insurgency. it's not exactly shocking.[/QUOTE] The Irish fought in Vietnam?

[QUOTE=Warhol;24374708]Have a little story. Where I used to live, there was a tonne of little stands around, one was a book store. So I went there to check out some books. The guy who runs the stand is a Vietnam vet who lost his son and a few of his buddies in war. Iraq and Vietnam. He hated the people who killed his son, but he sympathised with them. Now he's not the only one. to be honest, I've seen a lot of soldiers or people who support the soldiers or their country a lot sympathise with the insurgency. it's not exactly shocking.[/QUOTE] [citation needed]

In other news, the grass is green, birds fly, and some people got shot in Chicago.