MORE insane religion. How is this newsworth? - Killer mum stuffed Bible in baby's mouth - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22699003]A car won't grab you by the forehead and tell you demons are after your soul, then drench you in water and yell into your face.[/QUOTE] either will religion

[QUOTE=JDK721;22699014]either will religion[/QUOTE] You've obviously never seen an exorcism before, have you?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;22698992]Religion drives [B]normal[/B] people to do stupid and terrible things.[/QUOTE] source? I doubt someone who is mentally sane is going to be driven to do stupid things by a book [QUOTE=Lachz0r;22698992]It drives insane people alot easier.[/QUOTE] a lot of things drive insane people

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;22698992]Religion drives normal people to do stupid and terrible things. It drives insane people alot easier.[/QUOTE] It also brings people and communities together and gives people hope and friendship. Most of the time. The other times it's a small group of fundamentalists fucking shit up and making their religion look bad. AKA Westboro Baptist Church

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22699023]You've obviously never seen an exorcism before, have you?[/QUOTE] extremists acting extreme? holy shit

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22698977]No, they just represent what religious folk turn into when the cards are down and they've been backed into a corner. A brief glimpse of the inevitable madness to come. The human mind is fragile, and the midwife of religion is quite able at widening the gaps and filling them with nonsense and barbarism. Religion is nothing more than a token hope that brings with it xenophobia and anti intellectualism.[/QUOTE] Pretty much hit the nail on the head. I'm waiting for far rightwing radicals to turn into the Christian version of the Taliban. People say the Koran is violent, but shit, so is the Bible. Didn't the meek and mild character, the one that was nice and peaceful, say that he was bringing a sword, not peace? That's some grim shit, man.

[QUOTE=JDK721;22699026]source? I doubt someone who is mentally sane is going to be driven to do stupid things by a book a lot of things drive insane people[/QUOTE] The crusades must of been the largest gathering of maniacs in history. Okay clearly her religious views coupled with her mental disorder had NOTHING to do with why she jammed a bible in her babies mouth my bad.

[QUOTE=JDK721;22699026]source? I doubt someone who is mentally sane is going to be driven to do stupid things by a book a lot of things drive insane people[/QUOTE] Which is most churches are headed by leaders, it makes the manipulation process so much easier. But surely you would admit that convincing a paranoid schizophrenic that the voices in his head are real and that he should rightfully fear them can't be good for their condition.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;22699047]Okay clearly her religious views coupled with her mental disorder had NOTHING to do with why she jammed a bible in her babies mouth my bad.[/QUOTE] it was most likely primarily her mental issues, but yes religion probably contributed there are billions of religious people in the world and rarely do any of them ever do crazy shit like this

[QUOTE=JDK721;22699040]extremists acting extreme? holy shit[/QUOTE] Everyone's an extremist when you apply the right amount of pressure. [editline]06:17AM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;22699062]it was most likely primarily her mental issues, but yes religion probably contributed there are billions of religious people in the world and rarely do any of them ever do crazy shit like this[/QUOTE] Besides the multiple countries that execute gays, or where being raped is a capital offense, or where it's illegal to walk around in public if you're not wearing a shower curtain and are female? Besides those places it hardly ever happens does it?

[QUOTE=Jaffar;22698792]Incoming wave of teen angst atheists trying to explain that this was religions fault despite the fact the woman was mentally disturbed.[/QUOTE] It sure as hell didn't help. How about that?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22699071] Besides the multiple countries that execute gays, or where being raped is a capital offense, or where it's illegal to walk around in public if you're not wearing a shower curtain and are female? Besides those places it hardly ever happens does it?[/QUOTE] His gun kills. My gun shoots fluffy love hearts. Despite the fact that they're both guns, is my gun bad because his gun is bad? What I'm trying to get at is this- it's not all of religion's fault, it's a specific religion's fault. And even then, it's mostly just a tiny portion of that specific religion's fault.

[QUOTE=Goberfish;22699474]His gun kills. My gun shoots fluffy love hearts. Despite the fact that they're both guns, is my gun bad because his gun is bad? What I'm trying to get at is this- it's not all of religion's fault, it's a specific religion's fault. And even then, it's mostly just a tiny portion of that specific religion's fault.[/QUOTE] "Those who believe in absurdities will commit atrocities" rings true in every dogma based philosophy, religious or otherwise.

[QUOTE=Goberfish;22699474]His gun kills. My gun shoots fluffy love hearts. Despite the fact that they're both guns, is my gun bad because his gun is bad? What I'm trying to get at is this- it's not all of religion's fault, it's a specific religion's fault. And even then, it's mostly just a tiny portion of that specific religion's fault.[/QUOTE] That's ridiculous. A gun is an object, religion is a delusion that purposefully weakens reason in individuals for the purpose of prolonging an institution. A more apt analogy be that of two viruses. Her's is malign, yours is benign. But tweak the conditions just right, and yours will becomes just as barbaric and bloodthirsty as it is anywhere else in the world. It is the knowledge that sustains you and this entire planet that keeps people from destroying themselves. Were that you lived in Africa, or in the Middle East, your "gun" would be just as deadly as that woman's. [editline]06:50AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;22699528]"Those who believe in absurdities will commit atrocities" rings true in every dogma based philosophy, religious or otherwise.[/QUOTE] When people value ideas above accuracy and faith above compassion, given the correct pressure they will destroy everything that's been created. It's even happening now. A mere recession and you have vast throngs of people calling for a return to industrial America.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22699071]Besides the multiple countries that execute gays, or where being raped is a capital offense, or where it's illegal to walk around in public if you're not wearing a shower curtain and are female? Besides those places it hardly ever happens does it?[/QUOTE] because there aren't extremists in anything else.. and the billions of people who practice religion are all out doing crazy shit like that. when there are BILLIONS of religious people, the chances of having extremists goes up. the same could be said with any thing. get that through your head.

[QUOTE=JDK721;22699694]because there aren't extremists in anything else.. and the billions of people who practice religion are all out doing crazy shit like that. when there are BILLIONS of religious people, the chances of having extremists goes up. the same could be said with any thing. get that through your head.[/QUOTE] Of course, religion isn't the only source of barbarism and nonsense. It's just the absolute and undisputed largest one. Is that all you can come up with? Nonsense. By that logic one would expect all denominations to commit an equal share of crime. Which is shown to be absolutely wrong, seeing as how 10 percent of the population is atheist, yet only a fraction of a percent of the people in jail are atheists. This is US, by the way, though I'd expect you'd find similar numbers in other countries. No, religion is special. It's ingrained in peoples heads, it had a position of authority. It can motivate people in the way that only a very deeply ingrained idea can.

[quote]Julia Lovemore, from Cambridge in eastern England, pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of her six-week-old daughter Faith on the grounds of diminished responsibility. [/quote] Faith Lovemore? Are you kidding me? Is her other kid named Godjesus McPrayerchurch?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22699544]That's ridiculous. A gun is an object, religion is a delusion that purposefully weakens reason in individuals for the purpose of prolonging an institution.[/QUOTE] The reasoning skills that are purportedly being weakened in the individual should have little to no effect on their day to day lives. Although believing in a falsehood may demonstrate a lack of reasoning, a lack of reason in a specific case does not restrict reason in a broad variety of logic, as probably demonstrated by early science being driven by Christians. Their philosophical views in no way harmed science, as nothing in Christianity says anything about science (practical, day to day science), and if anything a kind of religious fervor to find out about God's creation bolstered their enthusiasm towards scientific pursuits. But even in these cases, it is assumed that what is believed is false, and such a perception may be open to debate, as such a view is neither disprovable or provable. Although archaeological findings may support the fact that quite a few of the things in the Bible did happen, nothing is supporting that something specific didn't happen. But nothing can ever prove some of the more miraculous things in the Bible, such as Jesus' miracles and the like. It will probably be noted that I am only covering one religion so far, but many of the things said ring true with other similar religions, mainly Islam. In no way did Islam harm Arabic advancements in the scientific fields, with their contributions towards the scientific method still mostly valid today. But I digress, in many cases small sects will definitely cause grief because their religious views have moved them to manic deeds, but in no way is it the larger religion's fault in most ways because most religions actually promote peace, and if the certain sect deviates from the majority, they are no longer an accurate representation of that religion. But if some religion promotes something, such as killing gays, and someone in that religion follows it, it's definitely that religion's fault. But more to the main point, just because some religion, and in most cases a small deviant sect of a religion, is mainly nefarious in their actions, it doesn't condemn the whole idea of religion. Religion may be used for the purpose of prolonging an institution, but the institution in question may simply be harmless, and in some cases extremely beneficial to the community and if large enough perhaps even the whole country. But there will always be cases where someone uses a method to cause harm, and there's nothing stopping somebody using gullible people via religion to create an institution with malicious or self seeking goals, but this in no way makes all the other religions and various religious institutions as malicious as the evil institution. Because religions and the various institutions they create are usually set in their ways, there is probably no way that someone could twist a long standing institution into an evil one, much in the same way one probably couldn't change a government to become evil.

[QUOTE=wonkadonk;22698670]fundies do not represent the whole of the religion[/QUOTE] how does this have any disagrees

She was psychotic at the time, she had no idea what she was doing. Religion isn't the culprit here, mental instability is.

force feeding religion?..Jesus Christ! wait-

>Faith Wasn't that also the name of a baby who survived something she shouldn't, too? I think it was something along the lines of anancephaly or something.

I love how this thread is full of puns and jokes whilst threads about animal violence always get 20 pages of nothing but rage. [editline]12:03PM[/editline] And that woman has some severe mental problems, she belongs in a psychiatric hospital.

[QUOTE=Jaffar;22698792]Incoming wave of teen angst atheists trying to explain that this was religions fault despite the fact the woman was mentally disturbed.[/QUOTE] She were high on religion, obviously religion that made her kill the baby. Ban religion.

seriously why does this spark a religious debate the woman was mentally unstable and killed her baby many many mentally disturbed people do this even if they arent religious

obviously the baby was a demon sinner

[QUOTE=IAmIchigo;22703535]seriously why does this spark a religious debate the woman was mentally unstable and killed her baby many many mentally disturbed people do this even if they arent religious[/QUOTE] It's just a bunch of "I hate religion. Am I cool yet?" kids.

[QUOTE=Killerhurtz;22702372]>Faith Wasn't that also the name of a baby who survived something she shouldn't, too? I think it was something along the lines of anancephaly or something.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that kid born without a brain. Could only do reflexes and such, no thinking.

The baby girl's mother was badly informed how the religion works. Shit happens.

[QUOTE=Killerhurtz;22702372]>Faith Wasn't that also the name of a baby who survived something she shouldn't, too? I think it was something along the lines of anancephaly or something.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Was missing pretty much everything which could qualify as a brain. Mother kept it alive. Even though people thought it was inhumane, there wasn't really [I]life[/I] present.