[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;37803921]you're right it's not apple's fault that apple submitted the patents[/QUOTE]
and apple's the only mobile handset company that has shitty patents!!!
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;37800460]this is why i feel like there should be a maximum markup for products[/QUOTE]
DON'T QUESTION THE FREEMARKET YOU BLASPHEMOUS COMMIE
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;37801739]how on earth is this evidence that there should be a maximum markup?
if you don't like it, don't buy one. you don't need an iphone to live[/QUOTE]
um i didnt imply that you need one to live
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;37804227]um i didnt imply that you need one to live[/QUOTE]
ok well there's no reason for there to be a maximum markup
you're stupid to not capitalize on the highest profit margin you can possibly make
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;37800460]this is why i feel like there should be a maximum markup for products[/QUOTE]
I disagree; I just think there should be more groups that widely publish this sort of information to drive consumers to boycott massively marked-up products and then the situation would sort itself out; Apple would have a cry because nobody is buying their stuff, so they'd bring the prices down.
It's worth remembering that research and development costs also need to be met from product sales; you're paying for all of the development of the phone series, not just the physical hardware
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;37800813]companies arent allowed to make profit these days huh[/QUOTE]
Yes, but not with a 225% markup.
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;37804468]Yes, but not with a 450% markup.[/QUOTE]
Why do you have a problem with it if you're not being forced to buy it
[QUOTE=Van-man;37800456]And how much does a unlocked iPhone 5 cost with no [I]"strings attached"[/I] services from a store that a mere mortal like you and me can go-to?
Talking about all 3 models.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about unlocked, but if you buy from Verizon without a contract:
16 GB - $649.99
32 GB - $749.99
64 GB - $849.99
well buying it from Verizon isn't buying it from Apple
verizon obviously ups the price a lot by itself
[QUOTE=thisispain;37804499]well buying it from Verizon isn't buying it from Apple
verizon obviously ups the price a lot by itself[/QUOTE]
True, but I couldn't even [i]find[/i] a way to buy it without a contract on the Apple online store.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;37803937]and apple's the only mobile handset company that has shitty patents!!![/QUOTE]
They're certainly happy to release the houn-- [I]ERR[/I] I mean lawyers.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;37804258]ok well there's no reason for there to be a maximum markup
you're stupid to not capitalize on the highest profit margin you can possibly make[/QUOTE]
i just feel like there's no point in charging a ridiculous amount for anything. just because you can charge to the highest profit margin doesn't mean that it's good for society. with technology it just makes technology more exclusive to those who can afford it.
[editline]26th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Maloof?;37804373]I disagree; I just think there should be more groups that widely publish this sort of information to drive consumers to boycott massively marked-up products and then the situation would sort itself out; Apple would have a cry because nobody is buying their stuff, so they'd bring the prices down.
It's worth remembering that research and development costs also need to be met from product sales; you're paying for all of the development of the phone series, not just the physical hardware[/QUOTE]
with the money they make they don't need to set the price so high to cover r&d. they would pretty much have to try to not make a profit.
I hate apple... but I reckon they know more about marketing than most of you lot. Whatever they're doing, it clearly makes them a fuckload of money, so why should they change?
[QUOTE=thisispain;37801413]yuck
since when was intelligent synonymous with being cheap?[/QUOTE]
I did notice how many people buy an iphone just because it's popular. I mean of course I am not allowed to dictate someone what to buy, but I see a lot of people who I think don't really need an iphone. I mean apple may have a reputation of being easy to use, but it's still a high end phone. Does a girl who uses it to send short messages, listen to music and check facebook really need it? A much cheaper phone would be just as good but it's not an iphone then.
[QUOTE=ILY;37804480]Why do you have a problem with it if you're not being forced to buy it[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't have a problem with it if the profits didn't fund Apple's malevolent legal team that tries to stifle competition.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;37800903]It's not ripping people off if people are actually willing to pay the price[/QUOTE]
right, so if wal-mart starts selling toilet-paper for 200$ a pop, and wal-mart toilet paper suddenly has a huge marketing team behind it, and the media suddenly says that you have to buy wal-mart toilet paper, and thousands of people in the market now have a pretentious fanbase focused on bragging about how special they are for using wal-mart toilet paper and how anyone who doesn't use wal-mart toilet paper is a poor cocksmear
then it's totally not ripping someone off if they buy it, right?
i mean, even if we don't consider all of the circumstances, taking advantage of someone's stupidity to turn higher profits is practically the [I]very fucking definition[/I] of fraud.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;37800872]ok well the fancy GTX 680 or whatever graphics card you use certainly doesn't cost $500 to manufacture
why is it suddenly a bad thing when apple does what [I]every other hardware manufacturer does[/I][/QUOTE]
i personally find it a bad thing when every other hardware manufacturer rips people off
none of them should be doing it in the first place
[editline]26th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Scotchair;37806306]I hate apple... but I reckon they know more about marketing than most of you lot. Whatever they're doing, it clearly makes them a fuckload of money, so why should they change?[/QUOTE]
maybe because it's deceptive and just plain wrong?
[editline]26th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Protocol7;37802289]ok and why not blame the patent office for letting such a thing get patented in the first place
or is it just cool to dig apple now??[/QUOTE]
you guys
you don't seem to realize that it's both of their faults
you guys
stop arguing you're both right
guys
guys
Seriously everyone hating apple can just stop.
I mean you're dumb if you don't realize they need the rest of the money for salaries, research, commercials etc.
If you'd take a look at Samsung you'd see that they also sell their Galaxy or whatever at a much higher price than what it costs to make (maybe not as much as Apple but still)
[QUOTE=Crypptic;37807155]Seriously everyone hating apple can just stop.
I mean you're dumb if you don't realize they need the rest of the money for salaries, research, commercials etc.
If you'd take a look at Samsung you'd see that they also sell their Galaxy or whatever at a much higher price than what it costs to make (maybe not as much as Apple but still)[/QUOTE]
In 4 months Apple made $46 Billion or $13 Billion pure profit after tax/costs/research/salaries/everything else. They could sell the Iphone for $200 less and still make $5 Billion every quarter after all their costs.
The fact is Apple is making ridicules amounts of money even after all the costs of running a business, they could easily sell the Iphone for less or pay their Chinese workforce a lot more money and still make good profit but that would require the people at the top to have a heart.
And where i got my figures from was here: [url]http://investor.apple.com/results.cfm[/url]
Raw manufacturing costs do not factor in R&D, prototyping, transport, advertisement, corporate expenses, employee salaries, store lease, or any of the other factors that are much more important to an end MSRP than how much it costs to get some Chinese workers to stick bits of metal together.
Anyone who thinks this is sure proof that Apple massively overprices their products has no understanding of economics.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37801206]now i'm no capitalist scum
but you're annoyed because other people are willing to buy something at a cost you wouldn't?
how about you mind your business seriously[/QUOTE]
i'm annoyed that they're ripping off those people, too
i mean, when it comes down to it, you have to balance consumer responsibility with corporate responsibility
it's irresponsible of a corporation to sell cheap products at huge markup to an insatiable market of people when said market of people are already in a financial rut.
people buying iphones with their credit card because UMG APPL NEEDITNEEDIT only adds to the problem
at the same time, it's irresponsible of the consumer to be buying apple products on impulse
the problem is that the people making points in the debate are too thick to realize that you can't just shove all the responsibility onto one side and let the other side do fuck all
you need to have both corporate responsibility and consumer responsibility for things to work smoothly
why can you guys not realize this
[QUOTE=joes33431;37807705]it's irresponsible of a corporation to sell cheap products at huge markup to an insatiable market of people when said market of people are already in a financial rut.[/QUOTE]
Um, what? This is called business sense. Why should any corporation with a wildly successful product be under any obligation to undercut their own profit in such a manner?
If their price is too high, the market won't sustain it. If the market sustains it, the price isn't too high. Nobody's being forced to go buy an iPhone.
why don't we just buy cars at manufactured costs? why don't we just buy computers at manufactured costs? clothes at manufactured costs?
it's basic economics. supply, and demand. the markup exists because people will buy, and are buying it, at that price. and seriously how many people do you know that buy things off contract? you trying to tell me that an off-contract iPhone costs more than an iPad which has a higher material cost?
seriously. and I think a lot of the people here have awful misconceptions about the apple userbase. I don't know many people who get the iphone on day 1 because "omg apple" and have a pseudo-nerdgasm over each new apple product. those kinds of people are a minority and exist for android phones too (and you know who you are)
[QUOTE=TestECull;37800767]I didn't know my bedroom was an asian sweatshop.[/QUOTE]
Shit, my kitchen table is a long distance portal, powered by slave labour.
Dat Samsung processor!
[QUOTE=Zanfall;37800963]This excuse is getting old.
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-GT-I9300-Factory-Unlocked/dp/B007VCRRNS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348615301&sr=8-1&keywords=galaxy+s3[/url]
Nine-hundred fucking dollars.
And before you say something like "Well its a more powerful phone" just remember that its made out of the shittiest plastic South Korea could find.[/QUOTE]
I've dropped my (lower spec) Samsung down the stairs by accident and it was fine, and every iPhone I've seen IRL has a cracked screen.
[QUOTE=Kingy_ME;37808558]I've dropped my (lower spec) Samsung down the stairs by accident and it was fine, and every iPhone I've seen IRL has a cracked screen.[/QUOTE]
Plastic is actually better because it's slightly pliable, so it [i]absorbs[/i] shock. Metal is so rigid that it transfers the shock to the glass.
[QUOTE=Kingy_ME;37808558]I've dropped my (lower spec) Samsung down the stairs by accident and it was fine, and every iPhone I've seen IRL has a cracked screen.[/QUOTE]
That's because the previous iPhones were significantly weaker. There's been multiple drop tests and this is by far the most durable iPhone. I've seen plenty of people with cracked Samsungs as well.
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