[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;41562746]when they're too old to be dangerous[/QUOTE]
That sounds reasonable. How will we determine that?
Ah, yes. A trial. A trial.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41561667]People did terrible shit 70 years ago and I've lived in the aftermath with the comfort of knowing that it will never happen again !
Better start chasing the few remaining nazis even though they're mostly about to die, sick, oozing with disease and are so old and senile they probably forget they were even nazis to begin with !
[editline]stop living in the past[/editline]
Better ask Germany for more money over the ten next generations as compensation too[/QUOTE]
Never happen again? There have been quite a few genocides since the holocaust, of note is the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide"]Rwandan Genocide[/URL]. I'm not saying we should keep railing on Germany, but genocides are still going on. Thinking it will never happen again is arrogant, because it has happened again and will probably do so as long as humans exist.
if you can't tell that whether an 90 year old man is dangerous from first glance or not there are other problems that you yourself need to resolve before resolving other's problems
and the whole intelligence is dangerous thing doesn't even apply here
they're looking for prison guards, aka "I'll stand here and shoot you if you leave" not "yes leave them only this amount of food so that they'll live long enough to suffer"
[QUOTE=Glenie;41562764]Never happen again? There have been quite a few genocides since the holocaust, of note is the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide"]Rwandan Genocide[/URL]. I'm not saying we should keep railing on Germany, but genocides are still going on. Thinking it will never happen again is arrogant, because it has happened again and will probably do so as long as humans exist.[/QUOTE]
Also:
Yugoslavia
Ossetia
[editline]23rd July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;41562770]if you can't tell that whether an 90 year old man is dangerous from first glance or not there are other problems that you yourself need to resolve before resolving other's problems[/QUOTE]
So we should assume facts, instead of actually looking at facts?
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;41562770]if you can't tell that whether an 90 year old man is dangerous from first glance or not there are other problems that you yourself need to resolve before resolving other's problems
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He can spit at a jew if he sees one.
Probably he can't, because his eyesight is shit.
[QUOTE=eomsten;41562393][IMG]http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/data/770/aHogans-Heroes-tv-02.jpg[/IMG]
Like it has been said a million times before, not all the Nazis were bad people.
If you found these two somewhere in South America would you really, REALLY want to kill them?[/QUOTE]
But those two characters aren't even Nazis. Schultze was a Luftwaffe Ground Forces infantryman and Klink was a Luftwaffe Officer.
Not everyone in WW2 Germany were Nazis, just the people in the Nazi Party.
I think it's important that we bring the former nazis to trial. If the justice system is going to work, [b]it has to be consistent.[/b] We cannot pick and choose who to apply justice to simply based on what we want. It has to be universal. The president should be liable for his actions just as much as a 90-year-old ex-Nazi.
[b]That is not to say that they need to go to prison.[/b] In this case the "appropriate" sentence would not involve prison at all.
[QUOTE=PaChIrA;41562862]
Not everyone in WW2 Germany were Nazis, just the people in the Nazi Party.[/QUOTE]
Your actions should come into account. If you ordered the deaths of thousands of people or used slave labor you should be punished. If you pulled something heroic like Schindler, a member of the Nazi party, obviously that should be taken into consideration.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41562978]Your actions should come into account. If you ordered the deaths of thousands of people or used slave labor you should be punished. If you pulled something heroic like Schindler, a member of the Nazi party, obviously that should be taken into consideration.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what you are talking about. I was just saying that not everyone in WW2 germany were Nazis. And also those two dudes are fictional characters.
[QUOTE=Nazi666;41560532]There is justice needing to be done[/QUOTE]
What you want is called revenge, not justice.
[QUOTE=Nazi666;41560574]My name has nothing to do with it. I made this account when I was thirteen. They don't deserve to be free for the crimes they commited. You pray that I don't EVER see a SS soldier/wehrmacht soldier who commited a warcrime or I'll take justice in to my own hands.[/QUOTE]
You do realize people have probably gone through a lot worse than your girlfriend's family, and don't bear a lifelong grudge for it? An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Also, direct some of that anger towards Stalin and the Red Army. In all honesty, they're the greater of two evils.
[QUOTE=just-a-boy;41563467]You do realize people have probably gone through a lot worse than your girlfriend's family, and don't bear a lifelong grudge for it? An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Also, direct some of that anger towards Stalin and the Red Army. In all honesty, they're the greater of two evils.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, by the end of WWII, the Red Army just raped and pillaged through Germany, and no-one gave a shit because they were the victor.
[QUOTE=Nazi666;41560746]
German soldiers forcing polish women to work in Brothels.
A story of what happened in Poland by a Red Cross man.
Another story.
[URL]http://uncensoredhistory.blogspot.com/2012/08/rape-by-german-and-waffen-ss-soldiers.html[/URL]
And you dare support these monsters? You're sick.[/QUOTE]
You do know that a lot of those German "rape photo's" were doctored by the Soviets, right?
I do admit that a lot of them are real, but I can give you 70 pictures of American, French, British, and definetly Russians doing the same if not worse.
[QUOTE=just-a-boy;41563467]Also, direct some of that anger towards Stalin and the Red Army. In all honesty, they're the greater of two evils.[/QUOTE]
Ugh how about not directing hate towards anyone, maybe? Fuck Stalin, but Red army hasn't commited that much more crimes than any other army during that war. Red army was bigger, had longer presence, so more bad apples.
My stance, I think it's justified to forgive ordinary Wehrmacht soldiers, US soldiers, Red army soldiers and so on alike of all the evil they brought to lands they marched across. The war was brutal, it [b]broke[/b] people, it drove them to become blind towards the line between what is accepted and moral and what is not. Rape, looting, murder of civilians - most of that was done in revenge for killed friends, relatives, destroyed lives. Same reason a lot of people to this day have to cry for "justice".
It's more fair in my eyes than what already has happened: "they're winners, so they're free of trials". And if we won't just forgive and accept, we're going to be forever stuck arguing about who commited more crimes, where and when.
Real criminals were people who started the war, and that's a crime all major countries' politicians equally guilty in. There were no morally right in that war. But some are more guilty than the others.
Well it boils down to the Russians, having been invaded by Germany and experiencing some pretty scary shit caused a large group of their soldiers to have a pretty strong sense of hatred of the Germans as a whole. Soviet propaganda at the time was based around demonizing the entire German populace as terrible monsters making this worse.
Isn't there something called the statute of limitation where you can't prosecute someone after a certain amount of time has passed since the crime?
edit: nevermind I'm dumb, it doesn't apply to war crimes
If I'm reading correctly, scout1 is constantly requiring evidence as to why they should not be punished, but not actually providing any evidence of why they should be. Bottom line being he wants a fair trial for them, but nobody is actually disagreeing with that? What is there even to argue about?
It's up to the fair trial whether it makes sense to punish them or not, and people here are just stating their opinions on the matter. Stating those opinions is pretty important for human interaction so that we may reflect our sense of justice upon others'.
Why does nazi666 keep posting Nazi related stories? Makes me think he actually follows Nazi relates news.
[QUOTE=Lethaxx;41564081]Why does nazi666 keep posting Nazi related stories? Makes me think he actually follows Nazi relates news.[/QUOTE]
because he's a nazi hunter
also known as a retard who is stuck in the past
[QUOTE=Lethaxx;41564081]Why does nazi666 keep posting Nazi related stories? Makes me think he actually follows Nazi relates news.[/QUOTE]
He secretely fills his list of people to kill. It's time to take justice in his own hands.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;41560934]because stalin's atrocities have successfully been swept under the rug[/QUOTE]
And Russia doesn't even the balls to present a formal apology, as far as they're concerned the mass deportation of peoples, holodomor, etc didn't happen and you will be "rewriting history" if you claim they did. (LOL Putin has now a special branch for arresting everyone who speaks the truth.)
[QUOTE=Hammerz;41564303]And Russia doesn't even the balls to present a formal apology, as far as they're concerned the mass deportation of peoples, holodomor, etc didn't happen and you will be "rewriting history" if you claim they did. (LOL Putin has now a special branch for arresting everyone who speaks the truth.)[/QUOTE]
Putin has a branch for arresting homosexual tourists. Are you really surprised?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;41564313]Putin has a branch for arresting homosexual tourists. Are you really surprised?[/QUOTE]
It can't go more downhill from here, surely.
[QUOTE=Hammerz;41564321]It can't go more downhill from here, surely.[/QUOTE]
it can go downhill by several orders of magnitude from here.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;41564325]it can go downhill by several orders of magnitude from here.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I thought the sarcasm in my post was obvious, idunno.
[QUOTE=Hammerz;41564341]Eh, I thought the sarcasm in my post was obvious, idunno.[/QUOTE]
sarcasm isn't easily portrayed on the internet.
Its also 4:30 AM where I live.
Hunting these old nazi men down is so retarded, like, they'll already die in like 10 years knowing the entire world hates them, it's useless. Not all German soldiers were Nazi's either, they were mostly drafted into it and were more like "I want to defend my country" than "I want to defend Hitler". Most of them just wanted to get home, back to their families.
A lot of these "war criminals"didn't really have a choice in the matter anyways.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;41564425]A lot of these "war criminals"didn't really have a choice in the matter anyways.[/QUOTE]
Citation needed.
[QUOTE=scout1;41564449]Citation needed.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1555835/Germany-to-pardon-last-troops-Hitler-executed.html[/url]
30.000 German troops were executed by the nazi regime for various reasons, among them were not following orders.
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