'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;45828960]i think this article is definitely targeted--it's in direct response to the shit-flinging 'controversies' in the industry the past couple weeks--but it has value. Swilly, to say the author has done [i]nothing[/i] is just as shallow and hostile as her attitude toward the 'gamers' depicted in the article. we're still clumsily slugging through the immature stages of this industry. this is part of it. This article is part of the whole culture surrounding video games. i disagree with Alexander's prediction that the community will be overturned and remade by a new generation with respect and creativity. i think the video game industry has inflated wildly and poked into the mainstream line of sight, which has attracted waves of new consumers expecting the same kind of cultivated maturity from this market barely out of its infancy. whatever your opinion of her position, don't discard it as pointless or unnecessary. the progression of any medium requires thoughtful genuine discussion, and if there's something she's right about, it's that we don't do that a lot.[/QUOTE] There is a way to have a discussion, picking a side and then insulting the other is not a way to go about having that discussion. She has points but she not only doesn't follow her own advice, she blatantly wags it in our face that's she's better than us for 'freeing' herself of this 'gamer' culture. This discussion of maturity has to happen, but every form of media who've had this discussion placed on them has recoiled horrifically from it. Its actually stunted the growth of the medium when outside forces pretend to know what's best. We've been asking and begging for more fulfilling stories and characters, a more diverse range of people to include in the medium. To have people who have not even looked at gaming up until this point suddenly jump in and act like they know what needs to be done is insulting and immediatly grinds up against a concept known was 'natural experts' wherein people who are deeply immersed in a situation or culture or concept since childhood have just a good grasp of the subject as someone's studied and read up on the subject. Most of us have grown up with gaming, we've seen the highs and lows. We want change, we want better games. We want the medium to grow. But to be insulted and even ignored because we want to do it our way, it'd be like a white guy coming into the Black Panthers and stating that he knew what to do to push the Black Panthers forward. It comes up empty and only serves to anger.

Why the fuck is this even news? This is like an opinion piece from a random tumblr blog. Who gives a shit.

[QUOTE=Swilly;45828174]This whole article is just a continuation of the argument that gamers are vitrolic sperglords just like the continuation of feminsts being man hating sperglords. This article servers no function, it doesn't hit the nail on the head. It instead of actually looking at the industry or even attempting to understand the core of the anger being felt, insults it. It bemuses it, treats it like a noble treating a commoner looking for a reason why he can't have a loaf of bread. The idea that Gaming culture is the only culture with a circle jerk is hilarious, since every form of media has said circlejerk. There are peer agreed on important milestones in Television, Movies, Literature. For Genres. The article then links 3 different other articles that no only blatantly ignore facts but don't even themselves attempt to dig into the issue. This article is just the continued, insulting tradition of gaming journalists insulting the gaming public to make themselves seem superior. This article adds nothing but fuel to a fire and is biased to a degree that it'd be championed by one side of the extreme, and insulted or ignored by the other. This writer has done nothing.[/QUOTE] this overly verbose response is a really good example of what the writer is talking about. the entire article is about the fact that the face of "gaming culture" (which makes me feel a bit queasy and silly to even type) is socially awkward, easily enraged and usually sexist nerds whose entire life seems to revolve around entertainment software. the article is hardly about making the writer feel "better" than their audience, if you honestly can't see the truth in what they're saying you must not be paying much attention. every time i hear about some "news" in the gaming industry, theres a 90% chance its some pseudo-political bullshit about how everyone is mad at some indie dev or some female writer analyzing the industry or some other nonsense. "gaming news & culture" is overwhelmingly a cesspool of angry nerds whining about things that really arent a big deal, and thats what this article is all about. its insulting, yeah, but only to the people that fall into the archetype the author is crafting, and surprise surprise a lot of people fall into that archetype

[QUOTE=Swilly;45828338]Films have historically, especially dicey ones or ones that challenged the norms been removed of film status. Same with Literature, HP Lovecraft's writings were insulted and completely ignored until the 1970s.[/QUOTE] It's kinda funny people started liking it when acid became part of our culture eh :v: Also this article is retarded, that is what I have to say.

[QUOTE=Aphtonites;45828296]"white dudes" "straight white males" and etc are just buzzwords these people use when they think they're being edgy and progressive. It's sorta like how stormfronters slap "jew" or "black" onto stuff they don't like but with a lot more self-loathing.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;3XT8Re4r_ig]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XT8Re4r_ig[/video]

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829058]this overly verbose response is a really good example of what the writer is talking about. the entire article is about the fact that the face of "gaming culture" (which makes me feel a bit queasy and silly to even type) is socially awkward, easily enraged and usually sexist nerds whose entire life seems to revolve around entertainment software. the article is hardly about making the writer feel "better" than their audience, if you honestly can't see the truth in what they're saying you must not be paying much attention. every time i hear about some "news" in the gaming industry, theres a 90% chance its some pseudo-political bullshit about how everyone is mad at some indie dev or some female writer analyzing the industry or some other nonsense. "gaming news & culture" is overwhelmingly a cesspool of angry nerds whining about things that really arent a big deal, and thats what this article is all about. its insulting, yeah, but only to the people that fall into the archetype the author is crafting, and surprise surprise a lot of people fall into that archetype[/QUOTE] I guess I server as a stereotype then. Because I don't want to be anger, I don't like being angry. And I can get up and walk away, hang out with friends and chill the fuck out. But apparently I am just walking jilted fat white male whose quick to anger and doesn't actually study or articulate my points. No, I just spew profanity, and tired old arguments over and over again and then insult the person responding in some form without actually looking to see if I'm right or wrong.

[QUOTE=Swineflu;45828976]lol who the fuck does this guy think he is? All I see in this article is some condescending fuck listing a whole bunch of shit that literally calls the majority of people that play games a bunch of brainless consumerist spergs. Yeah I bet this guy is soo much better, ended up at his shitty journalist job and not even doing his job properly cause he's talking about completely other stuff than video games.[/QUOTE] The sad part is with the state of game journalism today is that she is doing her job. She is attracting a bunch of attention from people by writing an article that has barely anything to do with videogames, written in a way that makes as many people as possible outraged just so the website can get a few more clicks. These people shouldn't be writing about videogames, these people shouldn't have jobs in this industry, they could barely qualify to be journalists anywhere else, yet here they thrive by writing shitty articles designed to spark controversy. Fucking disgusting.

[QUOTE=Swilly;45828218]Gamer is the equivilant of Comic Book Lover, Movie Enthusiast, TV Binge Watcher. You have fandoms just around specific fucking TV shows like Dr.Who being called Whoovians. This isn't some strange alien concept, this has been here forever.[/QUOTE] admittedly im not a big TV/movie buff or comic book enthusiast but i think there's an observable difference between gamer culture and film/television culture. i cant think of the last time movie fans or tv fans launched a massive virtual campaign against some chick because they think shes a dumb bitch. "gamer culture" definitely projects an immensely immature public image with all the stupid antics they get caught up in [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;45829069]I guess I server as a stereotype then.[/QUOTE] are you socially awkward, slightly sexist, and spend large parts of your days writing angry tweets to people on the internet that you dont like for ridiculously asinine reasons? if not then you aren't really the target of the article

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829058]this overly verbose response is a really good example of what the writer is talking about. the entire article is about the fact that the face of "gaming culture" (which makes me feel a bit queasy and silly to even type) is socially awkward, easily enraged and usually sexist nerds whose entire life seems to revolve around entertainment software. the article is hardly about making the writer feel "better" than their audience, if you honestly can't see the truth in what they're saying you must not be paying much attention. every time i hear about some "news" in the gaming industry, theres a 90% chance its some pseudo-political bullshit about how everyone is mad at some indie dev or some female writer analyzing the industry or some other nonsense. "gaming news & culture" is overwhelmingly a cesspool of angry nerds whining about things that really arent a big deal, and thats what this article is all about. its insulting, yeah, but only to the people that fall into the archetype the author is crafting, and surprise surprise a lot of people fall into that archetype[/QUOTE] gamers are sexist nerds who get mad at women and justify their hatred by crying about journalistic integrity i know this because game journalism is always reporting on gamers being sexist nerds do you seriously not see the flaw in that? do you realize that you've just demonstrated why people are mad while simultaneously saying there's nothing to be mad about?

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829086] are you socially awkward, slightly sexist, and spend large parts of your days writing angry tweets to people on the internet that you dont like for ridiculously asinine reasons? if not then you aren't really the target of the article[/QUOTE] The target of the article exists in only a small form because its a [B]negative stereotype.[/B] You would not get away with this at all with feminism or any other cultural form.

[QUOTE=Swilly;45829069]I guess I server as a stereotype then. Because I don't want to be anger, I don't like being angry. And I can get up and walk away, hang out with friends and chill the fuck out. But apparently I am just walking jilted fat white male whose quick to anger and doesn't actually study or articulate my points. No, I just spew profanity, and tired old arguments over and over again and then insult the person responding in some form without actually looking to see if I'm right or wrong.[/QUOTE] lol no offense but you're taking this all way too seriously. you're absorbing the entirety of the attacks in the article despite them CLEARLY not referring to you. the article isnt saying that if you play video games you are fat, pale, ugly, awkward and rude. its saying that there is an overwhelming amount of these people making up the public face of "gaming culture" and its a crying shame that such a seemingly innocent and simple hobby has been transformed into a massively political complex of fabricated issues paraded by big angry nerds

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829086]admittedly im not a big TV/movie buff or comic book enthusiast but i think there's an observable difference between gamer culture and film/television culture. i cant think of the last time movie fans or tv fans launched a massive virtual campaign against some chick because they think shes a dumb bitch. "gamer culture" definitely projects an immensely immature public image with all the stupid antics they get caught up in[/QUOTE] you're saying there's no witch hunting or stalking in television television, the medium with a channel that is literally devoted to stalking celebrities and criticizing every single aspect of their lives, down to what they wear when they go out for lunch

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829132]lol no offense but you're taking this all way too seriously. you're absorbing the entirety of the attacks in the article despite them CLEARLY not referring to you. the article isnt saying that if you play video games you are fat, pale, ugly, awkward and rude. its saying that there is an overwhelming amount of these people making up the public face of "gaming culture" and its a crying shame that such a seemingly innocent and simple hobby has been transformed into a massively political complex of fabricated issues paraded by big angry nerds[/QUOTE] You don't get it, I identify as being a gamer. She generalized and therefor hit everyone, she used a shotgun rocket launcher instead of a god damn sniper rifle. [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] Also, I am fat, white and pale as shit(normally, I got sunburned pretty bad going up for a weekend of drinking and partying).

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;45829109]I see the problem in this thread. People think "Gamer" means a lot more than it actually does. It's just someone who plays games as a hobby. We need a new, different term for the assholes who go overboard on game-related things. I think some people call them "Sperglords"?[/QUOTE] Not the right term whatsoever for anything, you would be further helping stereotype and stigmatise a certain group of people.

i'm just waiting for the day when we invent [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Stigmata_of_Palmer_Eldritch]CAN-D & CHEW-Z[/url] as the next new entertainment medium and all the focus is taken off video games so developers can work without big business breathing down their necks.

[QUOTE=Swilly;45829107]The target of the article exists in only a small form because its a [B]negative stereotype.[/B] You would not get away with this at all with feminism or any other cultural form.[/QUOTE] i wouldn't say this stereotype is that minor. there are a ton of really cool dudes that just like to play games and chat with their e-buddies on steam but theres still plenty nerds that will call you a dumb faggot in tf2 because you took the last sniper slot or some such nonsense [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45829140]you're saying there's no witch hunting or stalking in television television, the medium with a channel that is literally devoted to stalking celebrities and criticizing every single aspect of their lives, down to what they wear when they go out for lunch[/QUOTE] theres a big difference between celebrity culture in television/film and gamers threatening to rape overbearing feminsts on twitter imo

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829198]i wouldn't say this stereotype is that minor. there are a ton of really cool dudes that just like to play games and chat with their e-buddies on steam but theres still plenty nerds that will call you a dumb faggot in tf2 because you took the last sniper slot or some such nonsense theres a big difference between celebrity culture in television/film and gamers threatening to rape overbearing feminsts on twitter imo[/QUOTE] Except there isn't because Anita Sarkesian and Zoe Quinn both put themselves out there looking to become celebrities. Also congratulations, you just called assholes, nerds. You generalized. Congrats.

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829198]theres a big difference between celebrity culture in television/film and gamers threatening to rape overbearing feminsts on twitter imo[/QUOTE] But that has nothing to do with them BEING gamers though, that's just a bunch of arseholes who like to abuse Internet anonymity. Gamer - A person who plays a game or games, typically a participant in a computer or role-playing game.

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;45829034]'gamer' is not far away from 'atheist,' really as in, the people who proudly proclaim they are a 'gamer' are on the same level of thought as those who champion their atheism. [/QUOTE] I have literally never seen this attitude from anyone outside of parody.

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829132]lol no offense but you're taking this all way too seriously. you're absorbing the entirety of the attacks in the article despite them CLEARLY not referring to you. the article isnt saying that if you play video games you are fat, pale, ugly, awkward and rude. its saying that there is an overwhelming amount of these people making up the public face of "gaming culture" and its a crying shame that such a seemingly innocent and simple hobby has been transformed into a massively political complex of fabricated issues paraded by big angry nerds[/QUOTE] nobody gives a shit outside of this little bubble of the internet. the only mention I've ever seen of any of this stuff outside these specific internet places was a brief segment on Charlie Brooker's "How Videogames Changed the World" on channel 4, and even then they put it down to internet culture, not "game culture", whatever the hell that means. to the actual public, the "face of gaming" is celebrities who briefly talked about their love of videogames, and people who still think games cause violence

[QUOTE=Swilly;45829209]Except there isn't because Anita Sarkesian and Zoe Quinn both put themselves out there looking to become celebrities. Also congratulations, you just called assholes, nerds. You generalized. Congrats.[/QUOTE] not trying to be a dick but i dont really understand this post. except there isnt what? a big difference between celebrity culture and gamers threatening to rape people because they dont like their vlogs? i feel like you'd have to be intentionally a bit thick to deny a difference between the common american having a passing interest in kim+kanye's baby pics and gamers on the internet sending violent threats to people because they disagree with them and as for calling "assholes, nerds" and generalizing, im not sure what you mean sorry

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829198] theres a big difference between celebrity culture in television/film and gamers threatening to rape overbearing feminsts on twitter imo[/QUOTE] Celebrities receive death threats most of the time (a google search should suffice). They also have their houses broken into.

I should get a snickers. Unfortuantly that'd contribute to my obesity. Fuck it. [B]I'M GETTING A SNICKERS.[/B] [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=bbddi;45829245] and as for calling "assholes, nerds" and generalizing, im not sure what you mean sorry[/QUOTE] You just equated assholes to nerds. You generalized another group that's heavily involved with computers and the internet. Nerds, are even more expansive in nature including women, trans and other folks. You just used that shotgun rocketlauncher.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;45829246]Celebrities receive death threats most of the time (a google search should suffice). They also have their houses broken into.[/QUOTE] of course they do, typically by people that are mentally ill, like straight up crazy people. then the people that do that get in the news, get arrested, institutionalized, or at the very least are outed as huge weirdo assholes on national TV and in magazines. when people on the internet send death threats and rape threats to people on twitter people either agree or disagree with their actions and thats about it. id also point out of course 99% of these twitter threats are of course total bullshit, none of these dudes are really REALLY threatening to rape/murder some writer or indie dev or whatever, its all just a bunch of bullshit, but the point of it all is that its ridiculously immature and shockingly common and it shouldnt be that way. do you disagree that its silly for anyone that says anything bad about gamers/games to be sent rape or death threats? i dont think its that disagreeable of a premise to say video games shouldnt be a source of such vitriol [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;45829249]I should get a snickers. Unfortuantly that'd contribute to my obesity. Fuck it. [B]I'M GETTING A SNICKERS.[/B] [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] You just equated assholes to nerds. You generalized another group that's heavily involved with computers and the internet. Nerds, are even more expansive in nature including women, trans and other folks. You just used that shotgun rocketlauncher.[/QUOTE] lol swilly please just relax a bit this isnt about personal attacks on you or anyone else in the thread and its not about a generalization of "nerds". i used the word nerd as a lighthearted slur against big babies that get angry about vlogs about games, it wasnt a generalization of everyone that owns a personal computer and you're being overly sensitive in trying to skew it that way

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829277] lol swilly please just relax a bit this isnt about personal attacks on you or anyone else in the thread and its not about a generalization of "nerds". i used the word nerd as a lighthearted slur against big babies that get angry about vlogs about games, it wasnt a generalization of everyone that owns a personal computer and you're being overly sensitive in trying to skew it that way[/QUOTE] I'm mad because you're doing what the writer did, which the gaming writers have been doing for a few years now. Its a way to disarm and remove the legitimacy of one's argument by insult. You dismiss their point of view merely by throwing it in a garbage bin and saying, 'lol nerds'. [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] That doesn't foster discussion, that instead fosters resentment, and when it hits critical mass, it goes nuclear.

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829198]i wouldn't say this stereotype is that minor. there are a ton of really cool dudes that just like to play games and chat with their e-buddies on steam but theres still plenty nerds that will call you a dumb faggot in tf2 because you took the last sniper slot or some such nonsense theres a big difference between celebrity culture in television/film and gamers threatening to rape overbearing feminsts on twitter imo[/QUOTE] because no celebrity has ever been, say, sent death threats in the mail. Or mail bombs. Or been killed by members of a suicide cult. Or had other people killed in their name. yeah celebrity culture is just fine and nothing fucked up ever happens to them, only dumb white nerds say mean things

[QUOTE=Swilly;45829319]I'm mad because you're doing what the writer did, which the gaming writers have been doing for a few years now. Its a way to disarm and remove the legitimacy of one's argument by insult. You dismiss their point of view merely by throwing it in a garbage bin and saying, 'lol nerds'. [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] That doesn't foster discussion, that instead fosters resentment, and when it hits critical mass, it goes nuclear.[/QUOTE] no, the only people im calling nerds are the people you already KNOW im referring to, the same people the article refers to, the same people that get ridiculously angry and vitriolic and vocal about something as stupid as a vlog. you know full well im not calling you a nerd and you know full well who i am calling nerds and youre being overly sensitive in trying to say otherwise

This article happened because she cant even defend herself on twitter, that is the only reason this exists. She also said gaming isnt for nerds.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45829376]because no celebrity has ever been, say, sent death threats in the mail. Or mail bombs. Or been killed by members of a suicide cult. Or had other people killed in their name. yeah celebrity culture is just fine and nothing fucked up ever happens to them, only dumb white nerds say mean things[/QUOTE] you're really taking this TV bit and running with it arent you? ive already said of course television and movie stars are subject to death threats and stalking etc, ive even volunteered that the threats made by gamers are almost always infinitely less serious than threats made to celebrities, but what is the point of this comparison? yes, celebrity culture has a violent edge to it, nobody is denying it. does that mean we should be so complacent about childish twitter wars that revolve around video games?

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829398]no, the only people im calling nerds are the people you already KNOW im referring to, the same people the article refers to, the same people that get ridiculously angry and vitriolic and vocal about something as stupid as a vlog. you know full well im not calling you a nerd and you know full well who i am calling nerds and youre being overly sensitive in trying to say otherwise[/QUOTE] if you replaced nerds with any other group in your sentence, it'd be utterly abhorrent think about that