'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829398]no, the only people im calling nerds are the people you already KNOW im referring to, the same people the article refers to, the same people that get ridiculously angry and vitriolic and vocal about something as stupid as a vlog. you know full well im not calling you a nerd and you know full well who i am calling nerds and youre being overly sensitive in trying to say otherwise[/QUOTE] I'm only being oversenstive because I'm trying to drive home a point that [B]you're insulting an entire subculture[/B] to mock [B]a small group of people.[/B]

Who the FUCK cares about tags. Play some games and shut up ffs.

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829277]of course they do, typically by people that are mentally ill, like straight up crazy people. then the people that do that get in the news, get arrested, institutionalized, or at the very least are outed as huge weirdo assholes on national TV and in magazines. when people on the internet send death threats and rape threats to people on twitter people either agree or disagree with their actions and thats about it. id also point out of course 99% of these twitter threats are of course total bullshit, none of these dudes are really REALLY threatening to rape/murder some writer or indie dev or whatever, its all just a bunch of bullshit, but the point of it all is that its ridiculously immature and shockingly common and it shouldnt be that way. do you disagree that its silly for anyone that says anything bad about gamers/games to be sent rape or death threats? i dont think its that disagreeable of a premise to say video games shouldnt be a source of such vitriol[/QUOTE] of course we don't fucking think people should be sent death threats, but it's the fucking internet I can't stop someone from outside of the country from making spoof twitter accounts and sending fake threats any more than I can stop some twelve year old with ten bucks and the number of a phone spoofing company from swatting Twitch streamers. These are inherent issues with anonymous communication. Anyone who thinks there's anything more that can be done other than denounce the people responsible is delusional.

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829419]you're really taking this TV bit and running with it arent you? ive already said of course television and movie stars are subject to death threats and stalking etc, ive even volunteered that the threats made by gamers are almost always infinitely less serious than threats made to celebrities, but what is the point of this comparison? yes, celebrity culture has a violent edge to it, nobody is denying it. does that mean we should be so complacent about childish twitter wars that revolve around video games?[/QUOTE] Can I point out tabloid writers will dig through the trash of celebrities even though that's extremely god damn legal? Or how about the sudden rush of paparazzi around any star ever and its completely legal? Or maybe all the gossip magazines which have sold so well they now have a TV show called [B]TMZ.[/B]

[QUOTE=Swilly;45829433]I'm only being oversenstive because I'm trying to drive home a point that [B]you're insulting an entire subculture[/B] to mock [B]a small group of people.[/B][/QUOTE] ive already specified at least 3-4 times that im not mocking an entire subculture, im specifically speaking about members of said subculture that give it such a poor public image all i wanted to point out (and all i believe the article wanted to point out) is that a lot of people identifying with "gamer culture" participate in, support or are at the very least entirely complacent with, ridiculously childish and immature behavior over largely insignificant issues. i dont feel it should be controversial to say that we should be more critical of these individuals and their behavior because it makes us all look bad and it turns an industry that should be about video games into a pseudo-political mess. i feel like when there are equal number articles about feminism and racism as there are articles about actual video games and software on a "video game news site" or forum, its an indication that something isnt right. ive said my bit and clearly im either terrible at getting across what im trying to say or youre misunderstanding where im coming from so i guess ill leave it at this for the time being! never meant to insult you duder.

[QUOTE=bbddi;45829541]ive already specified at least 3-4 times that im not mocking an entire subculture, im specifically speaking about members of said subculture that give it such a poor public image all i wanted to point out (and all i believe the article wanted to point out) is that a lot of people identifying with "gamer culture" participate in, support or are at the very least entirely complacent with, ridiculously childish and immature behavior over largely insignificant issues. i dont feel it should be controversial to say that we should be more critical of these individuals and their behavior because it makes us all look bad and it turns an industry that should be about video games into a pseudo-political mess. i feel like when there are equal number articles about feminism and racism as there are articles about actual video games and software on a "video game news site" or forum, its an indication that something isnt right. ive said my bit and clearly im either terrible at getting across what im trying to say or youre misunderstanding where im coming from so i guess ill leave it at this for the time being! never meant to insult you duder.[/QUOTE] Then you should say, from the start instead of using other stereotypes, what you just told me. You could've avoided all of this if you actually just straight out said, "My issue with 'gamer culture' is the lack of self control we place on it. We, as a group, need to stop people from being dickheads and actually make sure that the positives are what are seen, not the negatives." Much easier, and less insulting.

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;45829034]'gamer' is not far away from 'atheist,' really as in, the people who proudly proclaim they are a 'gamer' are on the same level of thought as those who champion their atheism. which really irks me, because, it's not another religion that you get to run around yelling about, it's about abstinence from religion. you don't need a community or organized group, you just left exactly those kind of things. i think a lot of people who are embarrassed by the word 'gamer' and stay far away from the heavily commercialized core of the video game industry are akin to the silent atheists who don't want a label, because they just got done with having a label.[/QUOTE] That's really not the best comparison ever, some atheists particularly in america feel they have to identify as atheists to make it absolutely clear to the people around them that they don't want religion shoved in their face. Can you blame them, Atheism is so stigmatised in some places they've set up atheist centres, which the media smeared as churches to point out some sort of hypocrisy that doesn't actually exist, inadvertently proving these atheist communities' point Whereas nobody's forcing the hand of people to identify as gamers, that's purely choice to identify as one

[QUOTE=Swilly;45829570]Then you should say, from the start instead of using other stereotypes, what you just told me. You could've avoided all of this if you actually just straight out said, "My issue with 'gamer culture' is the lack of self control we place on it. We, as a group, need to stop people from being dickheads and actually make sure that the positives are what are seen, not the negatives." Much easier, and less insulting.[/QUOTE] well im sorry if you felt i was insulting you, i tried to clarify but i guess i didnt do it well enough then

[QUOTE=NoDachiUK;45828214]I would say its rather accurate.[/QUOTE] Here on this very forum, you can talk about the nutty feminazis and you'll get "stop posting tumblr straw-feminists" as a response (you have done this yourself a few times). Post some shit about a 13 year old dickhead who doxxed somebody: "ugh gamers are ridiculous". Because it's only a vocal minority when it's your side talking shit. FP SJWs at work, using logic and reason as usual.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;45828242]I think the easiest way to look at it, is who fucking cares? I'm a gamer because my biggest passion and hobby is video-games, both playing and designing them. "Gamer" is nothing more than a term to describe people whom have a very big investment in gaming as a hobby. It does not imply anything beyond what it explicitly states to be. This article is pointless and literally does not need to exist.[/QUOTE] I have to be honest - it makes me angry that it exists. People play video games. People are stupid, people hate, people can do bad shit to other people. A shit ton of people play video games, so why is the author of the article painting over billions of people with a brush so wide? Fuck that noise.

[QUOTE=V12US;45828221]You can complain and rant about neckbeards and memes all you want, but at the end of the day nothing sounds more embarrassing than a female faux pseudojournalist calling herself a 'Video Game Culture Writer'.[/QUOTE] she's employed to write about video game culture. what do you expect

[QUOTE=Stopper;45829799]I have to be honest - it makes me angry that it exists. People play video games. People are stupid, people hate, people can do bad shit to other people. A shit ton of people play video games, so why is the author of the article painting over billions of people with a brush so wide? Fuck that noise.[/QUOTE] Outsiders are willing to listen to loud generalizations instead of calm observations. None of them listen to objective reporting in writing anymore, they just stubbornly believe in the lowest common denominator. IMO, it seems really redundant to listen to parroted opinions, they might as well duct-tape a looping tape recorder on themselves.

Totalbiscuit posted this in the comments: [quote=John Bain]These one-sided articles do not help. The things being said and done in the name of "tolerance" do not help. The extremism on both sides is a disgrace.[/quote]

Mmm! Love that clickbait! Also I'm pretty sure this is just a jab at the people who decided to get involved in Quinngate and other Sarkeesianic ordeals and basically as close as it comes to calling people who care autistic manchildren without stepping into the politically incorrect zone

I feel like many are angry because they feel like this is directed at them simply because of the word "Gamer". Like, cmon.

I honestly don't understand the point of the article. Everything seems really vague.

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;45830202]I honestly don't understand the point of the article. Everything seems really vague.[/QUOTE] Congratulations, you've found the point of the article!

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;45830202]I honestly don't understand the point of the article. Everything seems really vague.[/QUOTE] I assume it's an oblique shot at the whole Zoe Quinn situation that's been boiling for the past week or two. At least judging by the articles linked therein.

atleast there's always giant bomb for actual video game news

[QUOTE=Fake-XM;45830175]I feel like many are angry because they feel like this is directed at them simply because of the word "Gamer". Like, cmon.[/QUOTE] Think from the perspective of an outsider, would you assume that the majority or minority act like how the author depicts them? Likely the former.

Yes, gamers socialize because of a form of merchandise (free or not). But it is merchandise that they enjoy. Interactive experiences that can be simple fun to adrenaline fueled action to thought provocation. These products always have a level of artistic work from insignificant to incredible... and this journalist says a majority of games are lacking in substance and having nothing worth valuing. But mindless entertainment alone is valuable to me. And I think it is valuable to many. [I]Have you been to earth? It's nice to get your mind off it once in a while.[/I] The article writer thinks that most people who line up for games, and go to conventions, are wasting their time... but I say they shouldn't be ashamed of their interests/hobbies. They shouldn't be afraid to come together under such a simple banner. Gaming communities are not ideologically directed. They are not a hive mind, no matter how big a trend gets. People come together from all walks of life, with many differing and opposing views, to play and discuss games or whatever they like. And I think that's beautiful and worth something. The writer says that the gaming community is a bunch of obtuse shitslingers, wailing hyper-consumers and childish internet-arguers. Yet they still spew this hypocritical line: [I]"We are refusing to let anyone feel prohibited from participating."[/I] Yeah. Well I sure as hell don't feel welcome to the party this ass is promoting. [I]"All of us should be better than this"[/I], the writer says, [I]"you should absolutely be better than this."[/I] Huh... [B]Fuck.[/B] We are a community that has a passion for interactive electronic art. That is all. [U]We are not an ideological movement.[/U]

And even if we have an Ideology, its that ideology that games are awesome and we want them to get better by supporting them.

[QUOTE=smurfy;45828155]"gamers" became irrelevant around the time they started rejecting certain games for not being 'real games'[/QUOTE] You know that happened in the early 90's, right?

[QUOTE=Duskin;45829050]Why the fuck is this even news? This is like an opinion piece from a random tumblr blog. Who gives a shit.[/QUOTE] It's [I]literally[/I] an opinion piece from a [url=http://dangolding.tumblr.com/post/95985875943/the-end-of-gamers]random tumblr blog[/url]. [url=http://www.donotlink.com/bdsy]Here too.[/url] How did this thing end up posted in 3 different places by 3 different authors?

[QUOTE=doommarine23;45828242]I think the easiest way to look at it, is who fucking cares? I'm a gamer because my biggest passion and hobby is video-games, both playing and designing them. "Gamer" is nothing more than a term to describe people whom have a very big investment in gaming as a hobby. It does not imply anything beyond what it explicitly states to be. This article is pointless and literally does not need to exist.[/QUOTE] Was gonna comment something similar, but you got it. I play games because I enjoy games. That's it.

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[QUOTE=TheCombine;45831278]It's [I]literally[/I] an opinion piece from a [url=http://dangolding.tumblr.com/post/95985875943/the-end-of-gamers]random tumblr blog[/url]. [url=http://www.donotlink.com/bdsy]Here too.[/url] How did this thing end up posted in 3 different places by 3 different authors?[/QUOTE] AHAHAHA Luke Plunkett "Say Something Nice or say nothing at all."

This sounds like a more eloquent Refugee Camp post.

This is a stupid article and it doesn't make sense. The article says that game culture isn't a thing and then goes on to basically give the definition of a culture by explaining what gamers are. A culture is all of the attitudes, ideas, and achievements of a specific group. Gamers wearing mushroom hats (as silly as it looks) are celebrating the achievement or success of Mario by doing so. Mario is a part of game culture. Even if you think mainstream gamer culture is stupid you can't deny its existence unless you redefine the word. [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] The article attacks gamers who enjoy violent video games(in a vague way) and it also attacks "old school" developers for making games that don't appeal to people who want non-violent ones. Then it goes on to say how traditional gaming is dying while not acknowledging the fact that those games are still the top sellers across every platform.

[QUOTE=Swilly;45828218]Gamer is the equivilant of Comic Book Lover, Movie Enthusiast, TV Binge Watcher. You have fandoms just around specific fucking TV shows like Dr.Who being called Whoovians. This isn't some strange alien concept, this has been here forever.[/QUOTE] You literally never hear those other terms ever unless you are on the internet in a discussion questioning the term gamer.