Australian High Court recognises third category of sex - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;44427938] I never really thought I'd see it be considered here, at least not with the current government really. I don't follow politics or anything, but how likely is it that it will be amended?[/QUOTE] The ACT passed laws which allowed gay marriage, however the Abbott Government challenged it in the High Court. Regardless of anyones opinion on the topic, the ACT did overstep its ability to legislate. [I][URL="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/HCA/2013/55.html"]The Commonwealth v Australian Capital Territory[/URL][/I] Basically, the Court said that the ACT cannot legislate for gay marriage while the Commonwealth legislation explicitly disallowed it. By stating this, it means that as soon as the Commonwealth legislation is amended, that gay marriage will be allowed in the country.

[QUOTE=N0 WAR;44428574]Every time there's a thread like this, you clowns never have any arguments to speak of. You just leave these drive-by posts and completely ignore the thread afterwards when you're proven wrong. Too scared to change your minds?[/QUOTE] Yeah how dare we to have productive lives and not taking this Internet debate as top priority.

[QUOTE=ADT;44428764]Yeah how dare we to have productive lives and not taking this Internet debate as top priority.[/QUOTE] Did you seriously just try defending yourself from being stupid by saying "i have better things to do!" ?

Same as with gay marriage, I have no idea why people would care so much about something that doesn't affect them in any way. Like we've had an "Other" option on passports for years and I'm not seeing customs using ze/hir for everyone, this just means the paperwork can be sorted.

[QUOTE=ADT;44428764]Yeah how dare we to have productive lives and not taking this Internet debate as top priority.[/QUOTE] Top priority? What, does this take every fibre of your being? I can't help but feel you just insulted yourself.

Ridiculous. Sex is black or white, just depending on whether you've got male or female genitalia, what, are we going to have numerous unnecessary categories for sex now? Sex is biological and dependent on chromosomes, external genitalia and hormone profiles. Gender on the other hand is what should be given more fields, because gender is not black and white like sex is.

lol I understand it's 'progress,' but for what? You can't deal with paperwork saying Male or Female? It's for organization, this isn't a dating service. You're not being asked how you identify yourself or any of that shit, it's your sex, if you were born with a dick you're a male, in terms of sex. I honestly don't understand why this is necessary, but if it makes people feel better, whatever.

[QUOTE=Tasm;44428980]Ridiculous. Sex is black or white, just depending on whether you've got male or female genitalia, what, are we going to have numerous unnecessary categories for sex now? Sex is biological and dependent on chromosomes, external genitalia and hormone profiles. Gender on the other hand is what should be given more fields, because gender is not black and white like sex is.[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex]Sex isn't actually black and white at all[/url].

[QUOTE=N0 WAR;44428944]Top priority? What, does this take every fibre of your being? I can't help but feel you just insulted yourself.[/QUOTE] More like you were complaining that I didn't spend the previous six hours of my life into replying you guys.

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;44427310]you should look up all the variations of chromosomes people can end up having that are not your typical XX for female and XY for male.[/QUOTE] Its usually considered a serious condition or disorder if you have anything different.

[QUOTE=ADT;44429056]More like you were complaining that I didn't spend the previous six hours of my life into replying you guys.[/QUOTE] So you're trying to imply you're above holding this debate? If you aren't up to being informed about what you're posting about, straight up just don't fucking post. He also didn't mean anything about the time taken to post, nor the amount of posts but the fact that you put zero effort/thinking into your actual posting.

[QUOTE=ADT;44429056]More like you were complaining that I didn't spend the previous six hours of my life into replying you guys.[/QUOTE] You're making stuff up. If you really were busy being productive you would at most have made that first reply then left do to whatever it is you claim to do. Though, people who boast about being productive usually aren't sooooo

[QUOTE=Midas22;44429057]Its usually considered a serious condition or disorder if you have anything different.[/QUOTE] yeah, depending on what variation it is but it definitely does exist, unlike what some people in this thread are arguing

[QUOTE=ADT;44429056]More like you were complaining that I didn't spend the previous six hours of my life into replying you guys.[/QUOTE] You dont even have an argument Im willing to bet your thought process is "its weird because i was taught all my life there is only guys and girls" Now you are wrong, but because you dont like being wrong, you refute it. Seriously there is studies, research, and proof all over the world of transgenderism and such. Yet the reason you say it shouldnt be allowed is "just because"

Our genetics are what define us. He might of had his bits altered, but he's still a Human male. Even hermaphrodites are dominantly one or the other. It's either a girl with a penis, or a guy who is scripted to have a vagina. With these technical mutations, I'd argue this is by definition Evolution making them transhuman. It's all "feel good" to have laws and legislation, by no means should anyone's rights be shut down. But objectively, he's a guy. The concept of a third sex in our iteration of human evolution does not exist.

[QUOTE=zerothefallen;44429094]You dont even have an argument Im willing to bet your thought process is "its weird because i was taught all my life there is only guys and girls" Now you are wrong, but because you dont like being wring, you refute it. Seriously there is studies, research, and proof all over the world of transgenderism and such. Yet the reason you say it shouldnt be allowed is "just because"[/QUOTE] There's no point in even trying If they had an actual argument they would have made it already

This ruling will affect absolutely nothing other than what's being put down on a piece of paper. It's funny watching people flip their shit thinking that "society is being ruined!!!" when all it does is make people feel somewhat more comfortable in society. This is not a "feel good" law in the sense that someone's rights/privileges are being stripped in favour of a minority. It's simply just a third option in legal documents. Calm down people

[QUOTE=Mebit;44429126]Our genetics are what define us. He might of had his bits altered, but he's still a Human male. Even hermaphrodites are dominantly one or the other. It's either a girl with a penis, or a guy who is scripted to have a vagina. With these technical mutations, I'd argue this is by definition Evolution making them transhuman. It's all "feel good" to have laws and legislation, by no means should anyone's rights be shut down. But objectively, he's a guy. The concept of a third sex in our iteration of human evolution does not exist.[/QUOTE] I can already tell by your use of the phrase "our iteration of human evolution" that I don't like you. Here's a crash course to intersex conditions. Basically, there are several different "scales" of sex. First of all, there's the obvious chromosomes, but guess what? People can have different chromosomes than just XX and XY. X, XYY, XXX, whatever the fuck you can think of, [I]somebody[/I] has it. Second, there's genitals and various related parts. Short penises, long clitorises, etc. And what do you call a person with both testicular and ovarian tissue? Finally, there's hormones. For example, androgen insensitivity syndrome can happen to genetic males (i.e. people with XY), and it causes them to develop as a female would, with zero indication otherwise beyond a genetic test. There are various other hormone-related disorders as well. Also, about 1% of all live human births are sexually ambiguous to some degree (however, only 0.1% to 0.2% of births are ambiguous enough to receive medical attention).

I don't understand why so many people have a problem with this. Why exactly is it wrong for people who are transsexual, intersex, etc. to be allowed to indicate a more specific or appropriate sex on their legal documents? Is this suddenly an issue of conformity? I think it's fine if some people disagree that there are other sexual identities besides male and female, and there are appropriate ways to discuss and debate this. However, expressing that everyone should be forced to identify as one of two distinctive sexes is just wrong. There are too many variables to make an argument for that. Being hateful doesn't reinforce your views. It just makes you look like a big-headed twit.

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;44429315]I can already tell by your use of the phrase "our iteration of human evolution" that I don't like you. Here's a crash course to intersex conditions. Basically, there are several different "scales" of sex. First of all, there's the obvious chromosomes, but guess what? People can have different chromosomes than just XX and XY. X, XYY, XXX, whatever the fuck you can think of, [I]somebody[/I] has it. Second, there's genitals and various related parts. Short penises, long clitorises, etc. And what do you call a person with both testicular and ovarian tissue? Finally, there's hormones. For example, androgen insensitivity syndrome can happen to genetic males (i.e. people with XY), and it causes them to develop as a female would, with zero indication otherwise beyond a genetic test. There are various other hormone-related disorders as well. Also, about 1% of all live human births are sexually ambiguous to some degree (however, only 0.1% to 0.2% of births are ambiguous enough to receive medical attention).[/QUOTE] You can say gender is not binary and be honest, but I feel odd saying sex is not a binary when every category besides male and female is just broken or malformed versions of one or the other in some way.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;44427337]The way you see the world: [t]http://i.imgur.com/RwV6ei3.png[/t] The way the world is: [t]https://addons.opera.com/media/image-cache/themes/35/59835/1.0-rev1/images/97626d2a-0eae-49a8-ae4a-977208596db1_details_big.jpe[/t][/QUOTE] fixed

wait whats the problem with this, don't a lot of trans* (is this the right term) want to be identified a certain way. far be it from this person to fight for being identified a way that makes them comfortable i don't really care much about this or have a very strong opinion, but it seems like a one and done thing. why are people arguing about this so much

The amount if pure ignorance in this thread is fucking astounding. I think it's interesting that everybody's all for gays but all against the gender identity thing. Call yourself whatever you want to be called, in the end, it doesn't make any difference to me

The way I see it, physical attributes are pretty much binary; there's really not a ton of variation there, but personally I'd rather live in a society where people aren't categorized by whatever bits you happen to have dangling off your crotch. I'd rather people are recognized for who they actually are inside, and I'd rather live in a society where people are compassionate about respecting what makes their fellow human beings comfortable.

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;44427310]Sex is a biological thing, gender is what you identify as. Plus when it comes to sex, you should look up all the variations of chromosomes people can end up having that are not your typical XX for female and XY for male.[/QUOTE] yes but very rarely does having any combinations other than xx and yx result in a person who can live a normal life...

[QUOTE=Sableye;44430217]yes but very rarely does having any combinations other than xx and yx result in a person who can live a normal life...[/QUOTE] klinefelter, xyy

[QUOTE=Bradyns;44427337]The way you see the world: [t]http://i.imgur.com/RwV6ei3.png[/t] The way the world is: [t]http://i.imgur.com/LsT6ZGX.png[/t][/QUOTE] eh it's more like this [t]http://puu.sh/7TptN.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;44427310]Sex is a biological thing, gender is what you identify as. Plus when it comes to sex, you should look up all the variations of chromosomes people can end up having that are not your typical XX for female and XY for male.[/QUOTE] But how would you differ it in other languages, like Russian, for instance, when sex and gender are the same word as the word "floor" - "пол" (that's actually irrelevant, what's relevant is that gender and sex are translated to a single word)

Why stop there? There should be a 4th and 5th category too.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;44427337]The way you see the world: [t]http://i.imgur.com/RwV6ei3.png[/t] The way the world is: [t]http://i.imgur.com/LsT6ZGX.png[/t][/QUOTE] Not quite when it comes to sex, it pretty much is black and white but there is a TINY sliver of grey, the amount of people who are born of indeterminate sex is minuscule.