Darren Wilson, Ferguson Officer Who Shot Michael Brown, Resigns - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Primigenes;46605414]What is this manliness shit you're talking about. These guys were apparently the same height but Brown had a couple pounds on him. And well if it felt like that to him in his obvious hyperbole than I don't really care that much. Also since when did you need formal training to disarm someone with a gun?[/QUOTE] I am saying police receive formal training on non lethal force, and protecting themselves from the average wrestle for their weapon.

[QUOTE=Impact1986;46605348]What if Brown succeeded in grabbing the cops gun and suddenly was armed? With what should the cop have shot the criminal with?[/QUOTE] Don't cops carry tasers? I could be wrong though.

Here we go: [video=youtube;jRBuSajZIP8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRBuSajZIP8[/video]

[QUOTE=noneshallpass;46605428]Don't cops carry tasers? I could be wrong though.[/QUOTE]Not required, and not very effective as stated about a thousand times. In this case, Wilson did not have room for a taser, and when it comes to having a crappy, semi-effective less-lethal weapon or a highly effective lethal weapon, virtually every officer will take the lethal weapon. [editline]30th November 2014[/editline] You're using cops as if its actually serious evidence.

[QUOTE=noneshallpass;46605428]Don't cops carry tasers? I could be wrong though.[/QUOTE] They do. But I'd rather cops be shooting back at someone with a gun, not something that can be unreliable and has the potential to cause the suspect to fire off an extra round or two while they're unarmed.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46605435]Not required, and not very effective as stated about a thousand times. In this case, Wilson did not have room for a taser, and when it comes to having a crappy, semi-effective less-lethal weapon or a highly effective lethal weapon, virtually every officer will take the lethal weapon. [editline]30th November 2014[/editline] By 'didn't have room' I think you mean 'Didn't wear because it was "uncomfortable"' I see cops all the time with both, and I really doubt its any different there You're using cops as if its actually serious evidence.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46605435]Not required, and not very effective as stated about a thousand times. In this case, Wilson did not have room for a taser, and when it comes to having a crappy, semi-effective less-lethal weapon or a highly effective lethal weapon, virtually every officer will take the lethal weapon.[/QUOTE] Huh, ok, I thought they were required, I was always under the impression that police forces in general had a huge hard-on for less lethal tech and gadgets.

[QUOTE=noneshallpass;46605449]Huh, ok, I thought they were required, I was always under the impression that police forces in general had a huge hard-on for less lethal tech and gadgets.[/QUOTE] Not really. What police care about is technology that gets the job done as safely and quickly as possible.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46605454]Not really. What police care about is technology that gets the job done as safely and quickly as possible.[/QUOTE] That's rather bleak, eh?

[QUOTE=noneshallpass;46605457]That's rather bleak, eh?[/QUOTE]Not really. Its be awful if they were constantly running around with awful gear that could barely perform. They're supposed to be effective and quick. And when it comes to engaging with suspects, they're under no obligation to give them a fair chance at winning.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46605463]Not really. Its be awful if they were constantly running around with awful gear that could barely perform. They're supposed to be effective and quick. And when it comes to engaging with suspects, they're under no obligation to give them a fair chance at winning.[/QUOTE] Wow, while youre at it why dont you just go ahead and strip people of the 4th amendment seeing as you have no regard for civilians

[QUOTE=MetricLuvsU;46605479]Wow, while youre at it why dont you just go ahead and strip people of the 4th amendment seeing as you have no regard for civilians[/QUOTE]That has literally nothing to do with anything.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46605487]That has literally nothing to do with anything.[/QUOTE] Except it does, like you said 'he shouldn't get a fair chance'

[QUOTE=Hollosoulja;46605353]Darren Wilson is half of a man. He claims a teenager overpowered him and I quote "It felt like I was a 5 years old and he was the Hulk". You don't deserve to be a police officer if you are that weak.[/QUOTE] Let's for fairness sake note that aforementioned teenager could also be described as a 6'4", 292lb man... Which is the same size and weight as Hulk Hogan in his prime (maybe even slightly heavier). And yeah, some of that weight is fat, but if you look at the store video Brown doesn't carry himself like a fat guy, clearly strength there.

[QUOTE=MetricLuvsU;46605490]Except it does, like you said 'he shouldn't get a fair chance'[/QUOTE] [quote]The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights that prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures and requires any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause.[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution[/url] In a situation where a police officer has to use force, probable cause has already been established. You're citing amendments with no knowledge of what they actually mean.

[QUOTE=AlexConnor;46605497]Let's for fairness sake note that aforementioned teenager could also be described as a 6'4", 292lb man... Which is the same size and weight as Hulk Hogan in his prime (maybe even slightly heavier). And yeah, some of that weight is fat, but if you look at the store video Brown doesn't carry himself like a fat guy, clearly strength there.[/QUOTE] Darren Wilson is also 6'4 and heavy. There wouldn't be a huge difference between them in terms of muscle/fat, they both look overweight.

[QUOTE=Flyingman356;46605503]Darren Wilson is also 6'4 and heavy. There wouldn't be a huge difference between them in terms of muscle/fat, they both look overweight.[/QUOTE] Huh Didn't realize Wilson was also 6'4, hadn't seen a height quoted and he looked shorter than that in pics. Even so, he's kinda narrow across the shoulders and has no real bulk to him except for being a little overweight. Where if you look at the store video (and I don't mean to keep harping back to that, just it seems to be the only recent images of Brown alive), he is much broader across the shoulders than the waist, definitely powerful even for his weight and height.

[QUOTE=Hollosoulja;46605353] Brown was incapable of doing so, that would take formal training to disarm a gun wielding assailant. Afaik the biggest thing going on in his life was smoking weed.[/QUOTE] Why are you victimising Michael Brown? This guy had a juvenile arrest record including burglary and assault [QUOTE]Description: Burglary 1st Degree [Felony B RSMo: 569.160] Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1401000 OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD Next Charge/Judgment Description: Armed Criminal Action [Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015] Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000 OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD Next Charge/Judgment Description: Assault 1st Degree Serious Physical Injury [Felony A RSMo: 565.050] Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1301100 OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD Next Charge/Judgment Description: Armed Criminal Action [Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015] Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000 OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST. ANN PD [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MetricLuvsU;46605366]Then the officer should have gotten better training, because by giving his gun to Brown he would have been endangering countless lives.[/QUOTE] Good thing he shot him instead of giving up his gun. Oh wait.

It's not even him that's the problem. He cited his training and if he's telling the truth it just isn't sufficient to deal with the situation he was involved with.

[QUOTE=Flyingman356;46605503]Darren Wilson is also 6'4 and heavy. There wouldn't be a huge difference between them in terms of muscle/fat, they both look overweight.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Flyingman356;46605503]Darren Wilson is also 6'4 and heavy. There wouldn't be a huge difference between them in terms of muscle/fat, they both look overweight.[/QUOTE] There is about a 100lb difference between him and mike brown. [editline]30th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Memobot;46606062]It's not even him that's the problem. He cited his training and if he's telling the truth it just isn't sufficient to deal with the situation he was involved with.[/QUOTE] How was it not? He seems to have done everything in his power right.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46605435]Not required, and not very effective as stated about a thousand times. In this case, Wilson did not have room for a taser, and when it comes to having a crappy, semi-effective less-lethal weapon or a highly effective lethal weapon, virtually every officer will take the lethal weapon. [editline]30th November 2014[/editline] You're using cops as if its actually serious evidence.[/QUOTE] no, wilson had room he goes on record saying that the taser didn't feel comfortable for him. he had the option for non-lethal means, and he decided against it

[QUOTE=djshox;46606104]no, wilson had room he goes on record saying that the taser didn't feel comfortable for him. he had the option for non-lethal means, and he decided against it[/QUOTE] He actually did say he didn't really have room and he did have a non-lethal means on him in the form of pepper spray.

ya'll sound like you should become lawyers or judges, cause apparently you know how to judge a man more than any other judge or jury. it's a shame he had to resign over a bunch of idiots throwing their shit around.

[QUOTE=Impact1986;46605676]Why are you victimising Michael Brown? This guy had a juvenile arrest record including burglary and assault[/QUOTE] guess again [url]http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/juvenile-court-michael-brown-had-no-felony-convictions-did-not/article_43c9bbbb-356f-5ea6-b9e2-7dde7e3e5c83.html[/url] it turns out the charges you're listing are actually for a different michael brown, born a year apart [url]http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/brown.asp[/url] [url]http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/09/insight_into_michael_browns_juvenile_records_cast_doubt_of_browns_guilt_in_his_death.php[/url] [editline]30th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BusterBluth;46606119]He actually did say he didn't really have room and he did have a non-lethal means on him in the form of pepper spray.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The testimony also reveals that Wilson did not carry a taser and typically doesn't because "[B]it is not the most comfortable thing[/B]." He told the grand jury he was carrying mace, a baton and a flashlight, but chose not to reach for them because he was trying to shield himself from Brown and did not believe non-lethal options would be "effective."[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/darren-wilson-testimony_n_6216620.html[/url] [QUOTE]In his testimony, Officer Wilson said that he did not have a Taser weapon with him at the time, and that he preferred not to carry one because it is large and [B]not “very comfortable.”[/B] He said he did not use mace because it was difficult to reach and the spray could have blown back at him. His baton and flashlight, he said, were also inaccessible.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/27/us/ferguson-experts-weigh-darren-wilsons-decisions-leading-to-fatal-shooting-of-michael-brown.html?_r=0[/url] [QUOTE]Was mace an option? Wilson said he decided against it: “The chances of it being effective were slim to none. His hands were in front of his face, it would have blocked the mace from hitting him in the face.” What about his Taser? Wilson wasn’t carrying one. [B]“It is not the most comfortable thing,” he said. “They are very large; I don’t have a lot of room in the front for it to be positioned.”[/B][/QUOTE] [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/11/25/why-darren-wilson-said-he-killed-michael-brown/[/url]

I love how people use "Brown was unarmed" as some sort of defense for brown. Unarmed doesn't mean harmless. Maybe you didn't know; but you can actually kill someone with your bare hands. Maybe Wilson didn't want to be killed? just a thought.

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46606152]I love how people use "Brown was unarmed" as some sort of defense for brown. Unarmed doesn't mean harmless. Maybe you didn't know; but you can actually kill someone with your bare hands. Maybe Wilson didn't want to be killed? just a thought.[/QUOTE] you're implying that brown was basically a walking killing machine would you rather have had him walk around the streets with his hands cuffed?

[QUOTE=djshox;46606138] [URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/11/25/why-darren-wilson-said-he-killed-michael-brown/[/URL][/QUOTE] Whats your point? In what you highlighted he said he didn't really have room for it.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;46606168]Whats your point? In what you highlighted he said he didn't really have room for it.[/QUOTE] you said he had "no room" for it, while [B]he had the option of wearing it but chose not to[/B] because it "was bulky" there is a difference between having no room, and not having much room

[QUOTE=djshox;46606155]you're implying that brown was basically a walking killing machine would you rather have had him walk around the streets with his hands cuffed?[/QUOTE] He is saying that just because he doesn't have a weapon doesn't take away his ability to do serious harm.