Poll: Obama approval ratings drop, 52% of Americans say he's not trustworthy - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DropDeadTed;42854700]Well excuse me.[/QUOTE] no

I think the last two pages actually gave me brain damage WTF is this topic?

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;42855342]I think the last two pages actually gave me brain damage WTF is this topic?[/QUOTE] Thanks Obama.

[QUOTE=Oizen;42853729]This is a common problem in America. Everyone wants everything to be "free". Or more accurately, payed for by someone else. Nothing is free in this world. I just hate how people with jobs are being taxed to cover the slugs who'd rather get everything free from the government with this new Healthcare system. All it really does is continues to gut the middle class.[/QUOTE] I pretty much agree with this wholeheartedly. Now obviously not EVERYONE who is on assistance just wants things for free, but people always want to deny the existence of leeches, even though it is a larger percentage of people than you would think. And yes, it does gut the middle class, because they are the only ones who can't afford to hide their money before it's taxed. But there is one thing people aren't realizing. This healthcare bill doesn't "tax the rich to pay for the poor", like Obama preaches over and over to seem like he is some sort of Robin Hood with his political stances, it actually taxes the young people who have jobs, but aren't yet financially stable enough. People are going to get out of college with their degrees, get pissed off that they aren't making what they thought they would, then be blindsided with high insurance rates because THEY are the ones paying for everyone. That's why it wouldn't survive without the mandate. They NEED young, healthy people who won't use it to provide the money to pay for the sick, elderly, and the poor. This is not how this policy was sold. This isn't what people were told was in it. Had they known this, it never would have been implemented. Herein lies my problem with Obama, and why his approval ratings are slipping. He's basically lieing to everyone by choice (and I say that because if it is your signature bill, not knowing what's going to happen is by your choice to be ignorant and not study it.). But it's not only that. For a president, he seems to never be responsible for ANYTHING that happens under his term. He won't own up to anything. I mean really think about it for a second. A president who seems to never be involved, or have any knowledge of ANYTHING the government does.... But honestly, I could overlook that if he actually acted like a president, and not like somebody chasing an agenda. He doesn't really WANT to get things done. I mean really, if I wanted to make a bill, I would grab people like Harry Reid, Dianne Fienstien, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and try to find a compromise that EVERYONE could agree on, and try to bring the parties closer together. Instead, we have someone who makes party line policies and tries to ram them through. And in a sense, I don't blame him, because that's how the political world is. But on the other hand, you have blame him for most of it because he is his own person with his own decisions. He could have given us a better "change", and would have been remembered among the greatest for it.

[QUOTE=Oizen;42853729]This is a common problem in America. Everyone wants everything to be "free". Or more accurately, payed for by someone else. Nothing is free in this world. I just hate how people with jobs are being taxed to cover the slugs who'd rather get everything free from the government with this new Healthcare system. All it really does is continues to gut the middle class.[/QUOTE] Yeah fuck those free schools. What did those kids do to get a free education? Why should I pay for those slugs? Also, you should have to pay to use the roads. Every driveway should be equipped with a tollbooth to make sure the freeloaders don't drive on roads paid for by MY hard-earned money. And that fire department. A public service? Sounds like communism to me. Why should I have to pay MY MONEY to put out some dumb schmuck's house? How do I know he's paying his fair share? Goddamn slugs, mooching off all the hard working people. [editline]13th November 2013[/editline] thanks obama

I honestly feel really bad for Obama. He wanted to have significant, needed healthcare reform and because of people's irrational fear of socialism and THE DIRTY COMMIES! he couldn't have just introduced universal health care without massive backlash, so he had to jump through all these hoops and you guys ended up with this thing that doesn't really know what it wants to be. Conservative america needs to get over itself and realise that a good universal health care system is needed. And there's plenty of proof that it works (Canada, the UK, Australia, etc.)

Why are Americans so afraid of a nationalised health care system just because it comes out of tax? They pay [I]far[/I] more out their own pocket and a system like that would at least force a standard for private companies to work with.

[QUOTE=Nightsure;42858997]Why are Americans so afraid of a nationalised health care system just because it comes out of tax? They pay [I]far[/I] more out their own pocket and a system like that would at least force a standard for private companies to work with.[/QUOTE] The initial implemention is gonna be rough and costly, which is the first problem. Second is that the US in general has a far more conservative mindset than rest of the first world in general. Third problem is that companies bribing politicians is technically legal in the US, so health insurance and pharmaceutical companies obviously pay for the success of politicians who's against blocking for their gold-mining of people at the cost of screwing those people over.

I think people's trust issues with Obama isn't just a matter of one broken promise. These issues with the health care law has likely had a large impact, but things like nearly going to war with Syria despite the majority of the country being against it, and the whole NSA reveal with the manhunt on Snowden probably hasn't done a very good job of portraying Obama as trustworthy.

[QUOTE=Simski;42859036]I think people's trust issues with Obama isn't just a matter of one broken promise. These issues with the health care law has likely had a large impact, but things like nearly going to war with Syria despite the majority of the country being against it, and the whole NSA reveal with the manhunt on Snowden probably hasn't done a very good job of portraying Obama as trustworthy.[/QUOTE] I'll give you the other two but admonishing a President for [I]almost [/I]going to war doesn't seem fair.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;42860483]I'll give you the other two but admonishing a President for [I]almost [/I]going to war doesn't seem fair.[/QUOTE] He still really pushed hard for US intervention.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42860785]He still really pushed hard for US intervention.[/QUOTE] But he pushed for diplomacy harder.

[QUOTE=Explosions;42856649]Yeah fuck those free schools. What did those kids do to get a free education? Why should I pay for those slugs? Also, you should have to pay to use the roads. Every driveway should be equipped with a tollbooth to make sure the freeloaders don't drive on roads paid for by MY hard-earned money. And that fire department. A public service? Sounds like communism to me. Why should I have to pay MY MONEY to put out some dumb schmuck's house? How do I know he's paying his fair share? Goddamn slugs, mooching off all the hard working people. [editline]13th November 2013[/editline] thanks obama[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you even rambling about.

[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;42862369]What the fuck are you even rambling about.[/QUOTE] He's mocking the fact that without insurance or government grants that are hard as fuck to obtain, you'd literally have to pay for every single action of a healthcare facility.

[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;42862369]What the fuck are you even rambling about.[/QUOTE] The freeloaders who abuse the hard work of the American worker. Them and their "schools" and "libraries" and other "services." Ha! More like "mooch library" and "slug school"! Take that Obama!

[QUOTE=Van-man;42862391]He's mocking the fact that without insurance or government grants that are hard as fuck to obtain, you'd literally have to pay for every single action of a healthcare facility.[/QUOTE] Explosions is Straw-manning pretty hard.

[QUOTE=Oizen;42853729]This is a common problem in America. Everyone wants everything to be "free". Or more accurately, payed for by someone else. Nothing is free in this world. I just hate how people with jobs are being taxed to cover the slugs who'd rather get everything free from the government with this new Healthcare system. All it really does is continues to gut the middle class.[/QUOTE] This is true, but like me, I'm the complete opposite. I don't want to pay for anybody but myself, as dickish as that sounds.

[QUOTE=Phrozen99;42863718]This is true, but like me, I'm the complete opposite. I don't want to pay for anybody but myself, as dickish as that sounds.[/QUOTE] Remember this? [QUOTE=Oizen]"All it really does is continues to gut the middle class."[/QUOTE] You're fucking over your future then.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42851117]Another one: "As reported by the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Council_of_Canada"]Health Council of Canada[/URL], a 2010 Commonwealth survey found that 42% of Canadians waited 2 hours or more in the emergency room, vs. 29% in the U.S.; [B]43% waited 4 weeks or more to see a specialist, vs. 10% in the U.S.[/B]" ([URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_health_care_systems_in_Canada_and_the_United_States[/URL]) 85% of people have health insurance and 80%-90% of those people were already satisfied with their insurance before Obamacare ([URL]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/mar/10/george-will/will-says-95-percent-people-health-insurance-are-s/[/URL]) and everyone had free health care available if they couldn't afford it. The hospital isn't allowed to deny necessary care. Also, we already have governmental programs to provide healthcare to the elderly, poor, and children. The problem with the statistics about the uninsured is that about 1/4 of them already are eligable for government programs, but aren't signing up and about 1/3 are households making over $50,000 a year. ([URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_health_care_systems_in_Canada_and_the_United_States[/URL])[/QUOTE] 61% of personal debt in the United States is due to healthcare expenditures. 4/5 of those people [I]had[/I] Insurance, but it either refused to pay for all of it, found a reason to drop them, or they lost their job and their workplace insurance with it. But the system works guys, honestly! [QUOTE=Raidyr;42860922]But he pushed for diplomacy harder.[/QUOTE] Yeah gunship diplomacy.

[QUOTE=Van-man;42863734]Remember this? You're fucking over your future then.[/QUOTE] I do not remember that ,as I only post here sometimes. Also I disagree, my future is fine and am fully confident of it.

[QUOTE=J!NX;42846771]Will his actions not work because they are bad? or because people are not willing to accept them? (Not to say they were bad or good decisions) Fox news is going to be smug regardless if its good or bad.[/QUOTE] Maybe people would accept his actions if they didn't result in a massive loss of health care coverage over the course of a few weeks? But hey, I'm obviously just a big bad wacist for having this view.