UK: Laser owners can be arrested on sight if acting dodgy - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;16519880]uhh, airliners don't have systems that detect missiles[/QUOTE] I remember hearing about a lot of them that do, following the shitstorm that was Post 9/11.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16519859]Couldn't this because they are worried plane systems won't be able to distinguish a high-powered laser pointer with, say, the locking mechanism of a missile?[/QUOTE] If a commercial jet gets locked on by a missile it's pretty much already boned

[QUOTE=Murkrow;16519956]If a commercial jet gets locked on by a missile it's pretty much already boned[/QUOTE] What the rocket fails?

My friend brings this green laser pointer with him everywhere he goes, and pisses people off with it. He once made this guy who was walking his dog nuts by putting the laser *just* out of the dog's reach.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16520867]My friend brings this green laser pointer with him everywhere he goes, and pisses people off with it. He once made this guy who was walking his dog nuts by putting the laser *just* out of the dog's reach.[/QUOTE] He sounds like a douchebag.

[quote]Capt Robert Jones, head of flight operations at the CAA, said: "[highlight]These things are not toys[/highlight]...[/quote] Uhh.... yes they are. BB guns, for example, are dangerous, but are still "toys". There are many dangerous things that are "toys".

[QUOTE=NO ONE;16520954]Uhh.... yes they are. BB guns, for example, are dangerous, but are still "toys". There are many dangerous things that are "toys".[/QUOTE] Toy gun: [img]http://svmomblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/25/toy_gun.jpg[/img] BB Gun: [img]http://www.michaelbales.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/bb-gun.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Voice;16518893]Planes fly themselves, the pilot only needs the window on take-off and landing.[/QUOTE] Do you even know how a plane works...

I was bracing myself for "FUCKIN TOTALITARIAN NAZI REGIME" posts but you guys surprised me

I have a green laser pen, but I'm not an asshole with it and it's a really weak one. Only reason I'd use it pointing in the sky is if I was showing someone some stars or something.

[url]www.dealextreme.com[/url] Come get your lasers, kids.

I don't understand. The odds of a laser pointer going into the pilots eyes are extremely unlikely as the planes belly is what's facing the ground, not the windows. You would have to be at certain angle to get it into the cockpit and even still, because the plane is moving it makes it that much harder to aim at it. The UK is just being overly paranoid about something that's completely harmless.

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;16522257]I don't understand. The odds of a laser pointer going into the pilots eyes are extremely unlikely as the planes belly is what's facing the ground, not the windows. You would have to be at certain angle to get it into the cockpit and even still, because the plane is moving it makes it that much harder to aim at it. The UK is just being overly paranoid about something that's completely harmless.[/QUOTE] Actually it's not completely harmless, very unlikely unless you were specifically aiming at a plane, but the odds of hitting the cockpit-window of a plane WHILE aiming is pretty darn high.

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;16522257]I don't understand. The odds of a laser pointer going into the pilots eyes are extremely unlikely as the planes belly is what's facing the ground, not the windows. You would have to be at certain angle to get it into the cockpit and even still, because the plane is moving it makes it that much harder to aim at it. The UK is just being overly paranoid about something that's completely harmless.[/QUOTE] You need to be like 10 or less to be stupid enough not to be able to point a laser to a moving target.

Lasers are usefull for some thing's but anyone who shines lasers at planes is retarded. That pilot/co-pilot even the passengers could be affected for the rest of their lives.

[QUOTE=evilking1;16522437]You need to be like 10 or less to be stupid enough not to be able to point a laser to a moving target.[/QUOTE] You must be 10 or less to not realize that planes are flying at extreme heights, and are not the easiest thing to aim at. Most peoples nerves shake their hands no matter how steady they are trying to be, as well as the fact that planes move very fast as well. A moving target such as a car is one thing, a moving FLYING target is another.

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;16522520]You must be 10 or less to not realize that planes are flying at extreme heights, and are not the easiest thing to aim at. Most peoples nerves shake their hands no matter how steady they are trying to be, as well as the fact that planes move very fast as well. A moving target such as a car is one thing, a moving FLYING target is another.[/QUOTE] See my previous post.

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;16522520]You must be 10 or less to not realize that planes are flying at extreme heights, and are not the easiest thing to aim at. Most peoples nerves shake their hands no matter how steady they are trying to be, as well as the fact that planes move very fast as well. A moving target such as a car is one thing, a moving FLYING target is another.[/QUOTE] If you stand behind an airport, so that planes landing have to fly directly at you, then aiming a light at the cockpit wouldn't be too hard, especially if you are on a raised elevation.

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;16522257]I don't understand. The odds of a laser pointer going into the pilots eyes are extremely unlikely as the planes belly is what's facing the ground, not the windows. You would have to be at certain angle to get it into the cockpit and even still, because the plane is moving it makes it that much harder to aim at it. The UK is just being overly paranoid about something that's completely harmless.[/QUOTE] [quote][b]There has been a marked rise in the number of UK pilots reporting incidents of laser torches being shone at their aircraft.[/b] In 2007 there were 29 incidents but this rose to 206 cases in 2008, the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said.[/quote] Read the OP next time.

[QUOTE=Billiam;16522546]See my previous post.[/QUOTE] I already did. [QUOTE=smurfy;16522587]Read the OP next time.[/QUOTE] No shit Sherlock, I did read the OP and my post is very relevant. Lasers are harmless against aircraft.

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;16522520]You must be 10 or less to not realize that planes are flying at extreme heights, and are not the easiest thing to aim at. Most peoples nerves shake their hands no matter how steady they are trying to be, as well as the fact that planes move very fast as well. A moving target such as a car is one thing, a moving FLYING target is another.[/QUOTE] You do realise most of these retards live near the airports? A landing plane is lower and slower.

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;16522520]You must be 10 or less to not realize that planes are flying at extreme heights, and are not the easiest thing to aim at. Most peoples nerves shake their hands no matter how steady they are trying to be, as well as the fact that planes move very fast as well. A moving target such as a car is one thing, a moving FLYING target is another.[/QUOTE] The shake actually helps a bit, as it "waves" the beam around, making your hit more likely. And naturally if the plane is flying 10km in the sky you might not even see it. The speed actually has little impact, it's more about the speed and distance. You can see a plane lot farther than a car, so the plane actually looks pretty slow from far. But I thought that the lasering has always happened when the plane is near the airport...

This is what I'm talking about. The angle to the cockpit is a hard spot to aim at. Airports are going to be the only spot you will ever get a clear shot at it from. [IMG]http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a7/IceWarrior98/Boeing-747-436-Jumbo-Jet-British-Ai.jpg[/IMG] Whats better is the actual cockpit [IMG]http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a7/IceWarrior98/08boeing747cockpit.jpg[/IMG] The pilots sit below everything.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;16522581]If you stand behind an airport, so that planes landing have to fly directly at you, then aiming a light at the cockpit wouldn't be too hard, especially if you are on a raised elevation.[/QUOTE] So most of them must be in heathrow.

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;16522756]This is what I'm talking about. The angle to the cockpit is a hard spot to aim at. Airports are going to be the only spot you will ever get a clear shot at it from. [IMG]http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a7/IceWarrior98/Boeing-747-436-Jumbo-Jet-British-Ai.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] Actually the one who took that picture could aim at the windows. To put it better, ever looked out of the window from an aircraft? You can see a lot from that tiny window. How about the cockpit? You can see a lot there. Anywhere you can see someone could point a laser from there.

You people are making some damn good points!

[QUOTE=evilking1;16522942]Actually the one who took that picture could aim at the windows. To put it better, ever looked out of the window from an aircraft? You can see a lot from that tiny window. How about the cockpit? You can see a lot there. Anywhere you can see someone could point a laser from there.[/QUOTE] But that shouldn't affect the pilot, their main worry is that it it damages the pilot's / co-pilots eyes.

So wait, what's the fear? These lasers aren't going to be blowing off the wings or anything like that, and I imagine it'd be awfully difficult to shine a laser through the small cockpit glass of a 747 flying at 30,000 ft, and even more so to directly hit the eyes of the pilot. Or does the problem lie with blinding the pilots during takeoffs and landings? How powerful a laser pointer are we talking about? Blinding a pilot during a landing could indeed be fatal. There's not much room for mistakes during a landing, and if a pilot suddenly finds himself blinded it's quite possible that he could overcorrect on the landing and stall, hit nosewheel first, or hit at such an angle that it damages the landing gear. Any of these mistakes could lead to a [I]very[/I] rough landing when you've got a several ton plane being propelled by massive jet engines practicing a controlled fall from 30,000 ft.

They are only doing this if you shine it into moving cars, planes, people on boats, shit like that. Using them for their actual purpose isn't a crime.

[QUOTE=MachiniOs;16523205]But that shouldn't affect the pilot, their main worry is that it it damages the pilot's / co-pilots eyes.[/QUOTE] Just a comparasion, as you can't get to the cockpit anymore. [editline]07:09PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BANNED USER;16523278]They are only doing this if you shine it into moving cars, planes, people on boats, shit like that. Using them for their actual purpose isn't a crime.[/QUOTE] And the actual purpose is? I got one for a real purpose, but I doubt that everyone at the UK streets at night carries a weapo- Oh wait. [editline]07:11PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;16523260]So wait, what's the fear? These lasers aren't going to be blowing off the wings or anything like that, and I imagine it'd be awfully difficult to shine a laser through the small cockpit glass of a 747 flying at 30,000 ft, and even more so to directly hit the eyes of the pilot. Or does the problem lie with blinding the pilots during takeoffs and landings? How powerful a laser pointer are we talking about? Blinding a pilot during a landing could indeed be fatal. There's not much room for mistakes during a landing, and if a pilot suddenly finds himself blinded it's quite possible that he could overcorrect on the landing and stall, hit nosewheel first, or hit at such an angle that it damages the landing gear. Any of these mistakes could lead to a [I]very[/I] rough landing when you've got a several ton plane being propelled by massive jet engines practicing a controlled fall from 30,000 ft.[/QUOTE] Lasers are goddamn effective. My 20mW reflection made me not able to see properly for hours. There are 500mW ones out there that cut stuff, go figure. And the problem is in the takeoff and landing, if the airplane is high you probably can't even see it.