Reports of Anti-LGBTQ Extremists Tapped for Major Roles on President-Elect Trump’s Transition - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Depe;51351768] -He hasn't even DONE anything yet. [/QUOTE] The moment he [I]does[/I] do something, it will be too late. Once you take civil liberties away from people, those people no longer have a voice.

[QUOTE=Depe;51351783]Congress exists for a reason, it's not like every single thing Trump says will get approved with no resistance. Checks and balances exist for this very reason.[/QUOTE] In a [B]republican senate[/B] oh yeah those checks and balances aren't nearly as stringent when the whole system is 1 party controlled and a 1 party affair.

[QUOTE=Fort83;51351812]When the criticism is directed at their opponent they come out of the woodwork to make it known how Trump is a god among men in comparison but when Trump is seen in a bad light they plug their ears and close their eyes and pretend that if they don't look at the bad things about Trump then maybe it wouldn't be real. You wouldn't even see them viewing the threads. Nothing but delusional cowards.[/QUOTE] And what would YOU do if the tables were reversed? You act like people are 100% unjustified in the way they feel and act but these intense feelings are the reason why people are going out of their way to talk smack about people who don't support their views. This goes for BOTH sides, we need to be more open-minded and take this shit in as it comes. All we can do is wait and see, Trump can not change the country for the worse overnight whilst we're sleeping unless he nukes the USA.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51351671]You're blaming the candidate who ran against the guy? No, the American people are to blame for this, and their stupidity. The American people elected Trump, and they deserve him.[/QUOTE] No, anyone logical is blaming the party that chose a candidate on us they knew was widely disliked (and don't pull out "oh but Hillary got more votes in the primary", Hillary should have never been allowed to run in the first place; they could have picked some random Democrat and it would have been a better choice). A party that spent resources elevating Donald Trump because they thought he was a joke. A party whose leadership is apparently vastly disconnected from their expected voters. Republican voters who were desperately looking for something different from a party that accomplished nothing meaningful recently (and the racists) nominated Trump admits a sea of unimpressive Republican candidates who the rest of the Republican voters couldn't decide between. Meanwhile the Democratic party pushed their chosen candidate through the primaries (who still had a hard time, even with all of that support and name recognition, beating some old man no one had heard of until a year ago, but of course that didn't raise any red flags because "oh the Republicans are just so bad no one will vote for them, especially this Trump fellow"). The Democratic party made their shit decisions, just like the Republican party (who, lest we forget, aren't really happy about Trump), and now both parties--and the American people--have to deal with the result. Really though, the root of the issue is FPTP creating so much inertia in favor of the two main parties. With an Alternative voting system combined with the elimination (or at least reform to be proportional) of the electoral college, I think there would have been good odds an independent or third party candidate would have won this election.

[QUOTE=Depe;51351844]And what would YOU do if the tables were reversed? You act like people are 100% unjustified in the way they feel and act but these intense feelings are the reason why people are going out of their way to talk smack about people who don't support their views. This goes for BOTH sides, we need to be more open-minded and take this shit in as it comes. All we can do is wait and see, Trump can not change the country for the worse overnight whilst we're sleeping unless he nukes the USA.[/QUOTE] Who said anything about "Overnight"? He's got at least 4 years to work with, after all.

[QUOTE=Depe;51351844]And what would YOU do if the tables were reversed? You act like people are 100% unjustified in the way they feel and act but these intense feelings are the reason why people are going out of their way to talk smack about people who don't support their views. This goes for BOTH sides, we need to be more open-minded and take this shit in as it comes. All we can do is wait and see, Trump can not change the country for the worse overnight whilst we're sleeping unless he nukes the USA.[/QUOTE] He can do a lot more than you're giving him credit for with a senate that's in republican control

[QUOTE=Chaitin;51351796]I'm very skeptic of stuffs published by the HRC because of their founder's bias and his connection with the Clinton family. Not a very trustworthy source in my book.[/QUOTE] the real source is a chart obtained by Politico: [URL]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/new-details-emerge-on-trump-transition-organization-231152[/URL] [quote]Ken Blackwell, the former Ohio secretary of state, is charge [sic] of domestic issues,[/quote] the article only mentions Blackwell, but on the chart ([url=http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/11/10/trump-names-ken-blackwell-to-transition-team.html]this article[/url] has a reproduction) you can see where Meese and Kay James fit into the team

[QUOTE=Ona;51351852]Who said anything about "Overnight"? He's got at least 4 years to work with, after all.[/QUOTE] Exactly, so we shall wait and see.

There's a lot of people who voted Trump saying that they aren't bigots or racists but they voted for him because they believe in small government and low taxes. Well now is the time for you to step up.

[QUOTE=Depe;51351844]Trump can not change the country for the worse overnight [/QUOTE] There isn't a single person here who acts like this is the case

[QUOTE=Depe;51351857]Exactly, so we shall wait and see.[/QUOTE] No. You watch, you wait, and as soon as anything alarming comes up you do something about it. We're not even at the inauguration and alarming things are coming out so people [B]will[/B] be fucking vocal about it at this stage.

A democracy remains a democracy no matter how salty you can get about the end result. Like a large majority of elections in a democratic nation that doesn't rig its votes, the results came down to a 49%/51% situation. This forum mostly had people who got to be in the 49%. That's how democracies work. What most people seem to conveniently forget about the very nature of this election system is that voters don't fucking [I]pop out of nowhere[/I]. Trump winning the election did not generate ex-nihilo an army of bigots to bring modern society down, these people were always there and, although it's sad, they happened to be around in larger numbers. A democracy means that you have to listen to everyone, and if the majority turns out to be thinking backwards, then you have to accept the fact your country's got a majority of backwards-thinking people. Then you either deal with it like an adult and live your life the best you can, or you use the [I]same tools that these people used[/I], which is to say you get your ass off your chair, work yourself up the political ladder, and make a difference. What I'm seeing so far are children who are crying and stomping their feet when what they wanted to own was taken away from them. You're bound to lose at least half the bids in your life, even the ones that suck the hardest to lose. Acting like an entitled baby who quite literally [I]cowers[/I] behind the LGBT moniker and what it represents to justify their own impotent rage isn't gonna solve shit.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51351671] The American people elected Trump, and they deserve him.[/QUOTE] Reminder that Hillary won the popular vote and the demographic most likely to choose her over Trump is also the group that's least likely to vote. Trump might have gotten more than 50% of the electoral votes, but I can guarantee you less than 50% of the country wants him in power.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51351864]No. You watch, you wait, and as soon as anything alarming comes up you do something about it. We're not even at the inauguration and alarming things are coming out so people [B]will[/B] be fucking vocal about it at this stage.[/QUOTE] Almost like what I just said. I don't remember saying 'So we shall wait and see and take it up the ass regardless of what happens.' We owe it to our country regardless of party affiliation to be vigilant/responsive to serious issues, but all we have is preamble to stuff concerning a guy who flip-flops based on how much shit he gets for certain opinions. Anything can change in the blink of an eye.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51351868]A democracy remains a democracy no matter how salty you can get about the end result. Like a large majority of elections in a democratic nation that doesn't rig its votes, the results came down to a 49%/51% situation. This forum mostly had people who got to be in the 49%. That's how democracies work. What I'm seeing so far are children who are crying and stomping their feet when what they wanted to own was taken away from them. You're bound to lose at least half the bids in your life, even the ones that suck the hardest to lose. Acting like an entitled baby who quite literally [I]cowers[/I] behind the LGBT moniker and what it represents to justify their own impotent rage isn't gonna solve shit.[/QUOTE] to be fair, it wasn't a democratic vote, because Clinton won the popular vote by over 200k people, but the electoral college voted Trump in. This is more of a republic than a democracy. And no, it isn't that simple. It isn't like Trump is going to simply put in some tax cuts for the rich and put in some bullshit economic plan. This is about fucking RIGHTS being taken away. Only 33% of the republican party supports gay marriage, a very small amount considering we have a republican president, and a very much republican controlled government as it stands. This isn't just people crying and stomping their feet because they didn't get control, this is about peoples lives and safeties being threatened. There are tons of extremely religious christians, including the vice president, who would just love to take rights away from gays and put them into camps for rehabilitation. So of course people are going to fucking rightfully complain. They aren't children for doing it. Nor are they entitled, at all. You don't seem to understand anything about whats going on and might go on in the 4 years after this.

All I know is, after everything that could start maybe happening if Democrats are serious enough they will fight back very very hard so even if these 4 years are a dark period in modern history, we'll get our next chance in 4 years

[QUOTE=Fapplejack;51351880]Reminder that Hillary won the popular vote and the demographic most likely to choose her over Trump is also the group that's least likely to vote. Trump might have gotten more than 50% of the electoral votes, but I can guarantee you less than 50% of the country wants him in power.[/QUOTE] The people who can't be arsed to get up and vote when they have the legal ability to don't deserve to be counted as politically-minded individuals of their own country. If you're literally this fucking lazy that you can't go vote on the single most important day of your political system (that you have influence over) then your weight as a citizen in a democracy is practically brought down to null. You can't speak up for these people by making up bullshit rhetoric, that works in literally any direction and you're only using the one that's convenient to you. If the young generation cannot be arsed to vote then more power to the people who actually give a shit and go vote, that's how democracies work.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51351868]What I'm seeing so far are children who are crying and stomping their feet when what they wanted to own was taken away from them. You're bound to lose at least half the bids in your life, even the ones that suck the hardest to lose. Acting like an entitled baby who quite literally [I]cowers[/I] behind the LGBT moniker and what it represents to justify their own impotent rage isn't gonna solve shit.[/QUOTE] How would you feel if your right to marry was at stake? Your right not to be discriminated over your sexual orientation?

[QUOTE=The Vman;51351904]How would you feel if your right to marry was at stake? Your right not to be discriminated over your sexual orientation?[/QUOTE] If I lived in a country with enough people who oppose this specific concept, I'd likely be aware of that fact long before they'd elect someone like Trump into office. At which point the government trying to usurp rights such as marriage from me would be the least of my worries, seeing as it would only emphasize an already prevalent issue in my every day life. Once again, trump did not create bigots by magically winning the election. The people who voted for him would have discriminated against you before, and they'll just keep doing it, the same as if clinton had been elected in his stead. Unless you're especially tunnel-visioned, the people who voted opposite of your side existed before they voted, and will continue to exist after they did. The fact they won will simply make them more visible to you for the next four years.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51351898]The people who can't be arsed to get up and vote when they have the legal ability to don't deserve to be counted as politically-minded individuals of their own country. If you're literally this fucking lazy that you can't go vote on the single most important day of your political system (that you have influence over) then your weight as a citizen in a democracy is practically brought down to null. You can't speak up for these people by making up bullshit rhetoric, that works in literally any direction and you're only using the one that's convenient to you. If the young generation cannot be arsed to vote then more power to the people who actually give a shit and go vote, that's how democracies work.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure whoever's complaining now actually voted, so I'm not sure who exactly you're criticizing. Again, this is their own rights at stake, and I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't just sit around and wait for oblivion.

[QUOTE=ArchXeno;51351935]I'm pretty sure whoever's complaining now actually voted, so I'm not sure who exactly you're criticizing. Again, this is their own rights at stake, and I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't just sit around and wait for oblivion.[/QUOTE] Then in that case Fapplejack is just speaking for people who specifically took the decision not to vote at all, and projecting his own opinions onto them which is equally as dumb. What I've noticed, repeatedly, is that a sizable chunk of complaints regarding these elections can't seem to be personal at all - they always invoke a larger community, one that's for the occasion pretty fucking convenient since allows them to legitimize their claims by encompassing people that could have simply decided not to vote, or who may have even voted for someone else. It's cowardly and childish, basically hiding behind some faceless group to make your claims seem like they have more weight than they really do.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51351958]Then in that case Fapplejack is just speaking for people who specifically took the decision not to vote at all, and projecting his own opinions onto them which is equally as dumb. What I've noticed, repeatedly, is that a sizable chunk of complaints regarding these elections can't seem to be personal at all - they always invoke a larger community, one that's for the occasion pretty fucking convenient since allows them to legitimize their claims by encompassing people that could have simply decided not to vote, or who may have even voted for someone else. It's cowardly and childish, basically hiding behind some faceless group to make your claims seem like they have more weight than they really do.[/QUOTE] im LGBT and I voted. Does this make me childish because I'm worried about the potential effects of a trump presidency?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51351958]Then in that case Fapplejack is just speaking for people who specifically took the decision not to vote at all, and projecting his own opinions onto them which is equally as dumb. What I've noticed, repeatedly, is that a sizable chunk of complaints regarding these elections can't seem to be personal at all - they always invoke a larger community, one that's for the occasion pretty fucking convenient since allows them to legitimize their claims by encompassing people that could have simply decided not to vote, or who may have even voted for someone else. It's cowardly and childish, basically hiding behind some faceless group to make your claims seem like they have more weight than they really do.[/QUOTE] Most complaints involve a community because they consider themselves a member of said community, or they deeply emphasize with that community. We're never going to get an exact breakdown of who voted for what, other than the most broad of identities. How is "Trump is threatening the right for LGBT people to marry" a different statement from "Trump is threatening my right to marry", when said person considers themselves LGBT?

Human Rights Campaign endorsed the wrong candidate. The have only themselves to blame for this.

[QUOTE=Naught;51351894]to be fair, it wasn't a democratic vote, because Clinton won the popular vote by over 200k people, but the electoral college voted Trump in. This is more of a republic than a democracy. And no, it isn't that simple. It isn't like Trump is going to simply put in some tax cuts for the rich and put in some bullshit economic plan. This is about fucking RIGHTS being taken away. Only 33% of the republican party supports gay marriage, a very small amount considering we have a republican president, and a very much republican controlled government as it stands. This isn't just people crying and stomping their feet because they didn't get control, this is about peoples lives and safeties being threatened. There are tons of extremely religious christians, including the vice president, who would just love to take rights away from gays and put them into camps for rehabilitation. So of course people are going to fucking rightfully complain. They aren't children for doing it. Nor are they entitled, at all. You don't seem to understand anything about whats going on and might go on in the 4 years after this.[/QUOTE] The question is do they even have the power to do such things? I mean, The Supreme Court made gay marriage a universal right. Refer back to Crazy Ivan's post last page on why it's almost impossible for that ruling to be overturned. Even if Trump staffs his cabinet entirely with "pray the gay away" fuckwads, they have no power to override that ruling. Whoever gets picked to fill the empty supreme court seat wouldn't be enough to get the SC to re-examine and re-rule on it. And any motions to create these rehabilitation camps that manage to make it through congress would be struck down by the supreme court precisely because it goes against the precedent the ruling set. And let's not forget that Trump didn't win the popular vote, so the majority of Americans don't actually agree with his ideals. Them, combined with the Trump voters who weren't bigots (contrary to popular belief around here, they do exist), there would be a sizable public resistance to such a motion that Congress wouldn't be able to ignore. With all these factors to take into consideration, the chances seem slim. Still there, of course, but slim. I am in no way trying to claim that our fears are unjustified, but it's important to keep our cool and maintain a rational outlook. Especially when every media outlet has been cranking up the fearmongering since the primaries.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51351791]Dear god. If I see, "he will reverse these Supreme Court rulings," one more time, I'm going to scream and wake up the house. The U.S. Supreme Court does not work that way.[/QUOTE] Thanks for writing this. I'm still kinda iffy on how LGBT people are going to be treated under Trump's administration with some of the people he's appointing like Pence but there was some stuff in here that I wasn't aware of before that makes me feel a bit less concerned at least.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51351928]If I lived in a country with enough people who oppose this specific concept, I'd likely be aware of that fact long before they'd elect someone like Trump into office. At which point the government trying to usurp rights such as marriage from me would be the least of my worries, seeing as it would only emphasize an already prevalent issue in my every day life. Once again, trump did not create bigots by magically winning the election. The people who voted for him would have discriminated against you before, and they'll just keep doing it, the same as if clinton had been elected in his stead. Unless you're especially tunnel-visioned, the people who voted opposite of your side existed before they voted, and will continue to exist after they did. The fact they won will simply make them more visible to you for the next four years.[/QUOTE] But would you take it lying down? Would you not do everything you could to get your voice heard? Do you not realize this "crying and stomping" are them trying to make their disapproval understood?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51351958] It's cowardly and childish, basically hiding behind some faceless group to make your claims seem like they have more weight than they really do.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;51351898]The people who can't be arsed to get up and vote when they have the legal ability to don't deserve to be counted as politically-minded individuals of their own country. If you're literally this fucking lazy that you can't go vote on the single most important day of your political system (that you have influence over) then your weight as a citizen in a democracy is practically brought down to null. You can't speak up for these people by making up bullshit rhetoric, that works in literally any direction and you're only using the one that's convenient to you. If the young generation cannot be arsed to vote then more power to the people who actually give a shit and go vote, that's how democracies work.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;51351868] What I'm seeing so far are children who are crying and stomping their feet when what they wanted to own was taken away from them. You're bound to lose at least half the bids in your life, even the ones that suck the hardest to lose. Acting like an entitled baby who quite literally [I]cowers[/I] behind the LGBT moniker and what it represents to justify their own impotent rage isn't gonna solve shit.[/QUOTE] I would accept this behind literally every other view but when it comes to LGBT its no wonder people are going to do that. we had 2 really awful choices so people who didn't vote did it because they're concerned that either way both choices would screw them over some how so they can't choose who. Now if the republicans actually do this, and LGBT people are no longer able to protect themselves in the eyes of the law, the gays who didn't vote and complain are just entitled babies? Even though many of these positions [B]literally agree with committing human rights violations[/B] I would totally agree with you if this was about taxes, or military funding, or anything. But the fact that this is about what I would consider to be something that should be a basic human right is actually offensive. Just because some gays didn't vote doesn't mean they can't have a voice against this kind of shit. How can you not understand why lgbt's would be angry when their rights are literally taken from them. But no because they didn't vote, they don't matter. Except you know, the thing about a democracy is, unless its against the law, you don't actually have to take sides. You are allowed to take no side and still have a voice. Your freedom of speech doesn't magically go away because you couldn't pick a side you know. Cops aren't going to do a "Vote check" on you when you protest dude.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51351898]The people who can't be arsed to get up and vote when they have the legal ability to don't deserve to be counted as politically-minded individuals of their own country. If you're literally this fucking lazy that you can't go vote on the single most important day of your political system (that you have influence over) then your weight as a citizen in a democracy is practically brought down to null. You can't speak up for these people by making up bullshit rhetoric, that works in literally any direction and you're only using the one that's convenient to you. If the young generation cannot be arsed to vote then more power to the people who actually give a shit and go vote, that's how democracies work.[/QUOTE] Okay so I'm going to step in here for a second and disagree as I'm a person who avoided the vote. It wasn't because I was lazy, it was because I genuinely didn't know what to do because Trump is a fucking idiot and a biggoted monster, and Clinton was someone I straight up didn't trust to put into the oval office. To me, in my eyes it was a lose lose and after debating it I chose to abstain because I disliked both of them and I didn't want to put my name to supporting either. If Bernie Sanders had ran I would of gladly went up and voted him in. My mother was in a similar situation where she didn't know who to go with as she shared a similar belief that both of them are idiots (though she's one of those people that fucking goes on and on about how awful obama is so take that however you want) and did a [i]coinflip[/i] to decide to go for Trump. She went up to the voting station here and decided that no, she didn't want to vote for either of them because she doesn't want either to go into power and came home. You can call me a idiot, you can call her a idiot but there's people out there like us who don't really know what to do when the two choices given to us are trash.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51351791]Dear god. If I see, "he will reverse these Supreme Court rulings," one more time, I'm going to scream and wake up the house. The U.S. Supreme Court does not work that way. They do not sit down at their Shammenic Court Council on Thursday nights and determine which precedents, cases and laws they'll uphold or reverse or slide to the left. Even if, somehow, Trump appointed 3 conservative justices (mind again, there is only 1 up for grabs, for a [I]formerly conservative seat[/I]), there would still be 5 other justices on the bench. 5 other justices who's entire depth of credibility depends on upholding [I]former cases.[/I] Do you know what powers the U.S. Supreme Court are formally invested with in the Constitution? [B]None.[/B] The fact that the court is obeyed hinges entirely on custom, tradition and precedent. The U.S. Supreme Court has no constitutionally binding power, and no legal mandate. Let's even get to "reversing" those cases. To do ANYTHING in regard to those cases, the Court would have to grant [I]certiorari[/I] or [B]cert[/B] to a case that is being appealed at the Federal Level. To grant Cert requires, iirc, 4 justices to agree that the case has merit to be seen. THEN, each justice, after going through the entire case mind you, hands down an opinion. A simple yay/nay vote, that forms the [I]majority opinion.[/I] The justices have to option to either affirm or dissent with the majority, the justices each have the option to write their own opinion, or to use the written opinion of another justice. These opinions, [I]even the dissenting opinions,[/I] form an important element of the law in and of themselves. To fully overturn the cases talked about (cases often decided with "big" majorities of 6 or 7 justices, and not "mere" majorities of 5) would require that 1) A case on [insert rights here] comes to the court 1a) There has to be some case that is [B]relevant[/B], we can't pull a Futurama "rare double whammy" and have a case over parking tickets suddenly rewrite abortion laws 2) Four justices, at least, agree it has merit to be seen before the court 3) A majority (at [I]least[/I] 5 of 9 justices) come to an agreement on the ruling 5) The [I]SENIOR[/I] justice in that majority would then write the majority opinion, that is, the ruling in detail on the case that is taken to be the ruling on behalf of the entire court 6) Each justice of ALL of the justices would then somehow have to write [I]no coherent defense or dissent in favor of [insert right here.] [/I] 7) The Supreme Court, now having done the exact opposite of what it has worked to do for the last two hundred years, in all manners of political climates with all manners of political colorings, with a broad range of justices all of whom have always been more conservative-than-liberal, could [I]still[/I] be ignored, legally, since it has no technical power to enforce it's rulings. 8) Congress and Senate would then of it's own volition have to enact the revisions to law decided upon by the Supreme Court. I have [I]no idea[/I] how, in a Court that is to-the-man at least largely secular, formalist, and hinged on two hundred years of Supreme Court rulings (At LEAST, that is entirely discounting the liberal, progressive, judicial activists) you would force through "reverses" of cases that were [I]intentionally decided with clear majorities so this sort of thing wouldn't happen.[/I] The only way the Republican government can damage rights in this cataclysmic way would be to instate a Constitutional amendment that itself would have to be seen as constitutionally valid by the U.S. supreme court. Jesus fucking Christ. Scare mongering ignorant bullshit.[/QUOTE] Wow somebody that actually knows what they are talking about and knows the the supreme judical system works. Thank you! People seem to think being president means you can literally do whatever you want. But anyways the executive branch is DEFINEITLY going to end up being hostile or atleast harmful to LGBT rights. Im not too worried tho, there are huge protests and riots NATIONWIDE and the guy didnt even took office yet. We didnt even do this regarding things like NSA spying scandel. I have good faith trump will get overthrown the same day he tries to do anything that goes that far. But to be fair, its completely understandable why people are afraid considering what trump has said and who he put in his A team. [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;51351868]A democracy remains a democracy no matter how salty you can get about the end result. Like a large majority of elections in a democratic nation that doesn't rig its votes, the results came down to a 49%/51% situation. This forum mostly had people who got to be in the 49%. That's how democracies work. What most people seem to conveniently forget about the very nature of this election system is that voters don't fucking [I]pop out of nowhere[/I]. Trump winning the election did not generate ex-nihilo an army of bigots to bring modern society down, these people were always there and, although it's sad, they happened to be around in larger numbers. A democracy means that you have to listen to everyone, and if the majority turns out to be thinking backwards, then you have to accept the fact your country's got a majority of backwards-thinking people. Then you either deal with it like an adult and live your life the best you can, or you use the [I]same tools that these people used[/I], which is to say you get your ass off your chair, work yourself up the political ladder, and make a difference. What I'm seeing so far are children who are crying and stomping their feet when what they wanted to own was taken away from them. You're bound to lose at least half the bids in your life, even the ones that suck the hardest to lose. Acting like an entitled baby who quite literally [I]cowers[/I] behind the LGBT moniker and what it represents to justify their own impotent rage isn't gonna solve shit.[/QUOTE] While I agree with alot of what you said rights being taken away is actually completely different ballgame. Its like telling black people to stop being crybabies if slavery became legalized again. I think it would very god damn reasonable why they might be a tad upset.