UK: Supplying a weapon 'just as bad as using one' - could mean life in prison
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38128478]Do you not know what I mean by gun culture?
Like, to the point its integral in American culture as much as ragecomics are integral to reddit?[/QUOTE]
Bad analogy it would be better to compare it to the hur dur 420 crowd.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;38128265]Why would anyone want to go recreational shooting?
Obviously some people do, because it happens, but the vast majority have no interest whatsoever in guns, either as a weapon for defence or a source of entertainment.[/QUOTE]
Why would anyone want to play videogames?
Oh, right. Fun.
[QUOTE=Neat!;38128805]as part of the american gun culture i agree with you
however, some gun people are very nice and intelligent. one of my friends is actually a professor at ASU, and he owns five FALs, a Galil, an AR-15, and some .44 Mag revolvers.
remember, the minority is always the loudest[/QUOTE]
Anecdotal evidence isn't the best way to support an argument.
I'd want a source saying that most gun owners are reasonable and intelligent people.
[QUOTE=Neat!;38128876]Why would anyone want to play videogames?
Oh, right. Fun.[/QUOTE]
More people play games than guns.
Also they are cheaper, easier to maintain and you can't blow your face off with them.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38128955]Anecdotal evidence isn't the best way to support an argument.
I'd want a source saying that most gun owners are reasonable and intelligent people.[/QUOTE]
have you ever been in contact with any gun owners that are part of gun culture?
i live in the gun capital of america, and spend most of my week chilling with large groups of gunbros, friends both old and new, and they're all sensible people. only on a few occasions have i met dumbasses.
[QUOTE=Neat!;38129034]have you ever been in contact with any gun owners that are part of gun culture?
i live in the gun capital of america, and spend most of my week chilling with large groups of gunbros, friends both old and new, and they're all sensible people. only on a few occasions have i met dumbasses.[/QUOTE]
'gunbros' do not exist in the UK. if you own a gun here it's either an old ass gun that doesn't really work/isnt practical for shooting someone, you own one to shoot birds and shit with david cameron or you're a criminal. i've yet to see someone who is a genuine collector of modern weaponry.
[QUOTE=Neat!;38129034]have you ever been in contact with any gun owners that are part of gun culture?[/QUOTE]
No, although my father is a responsible one for a start. I have used both a shotgun and an air rifle responsibly before on land which a shooting club often uses. Used it to shoot coke cans and small logs off a fence, and the latter for paper targets.
[QUOTE=Neat!;38129034]i live in the gun capital of america, and spend most of my week chilling with large groups of gunbros, friends both old and new, and they're all sensible people. only on a few occasions have i met dumbasses.[/QUOTE]
But once again this is completely anecdotal and is in no way representing America as a whole.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38129097]'gunbros' do not exist in the UK. if you own a gun here it's either an old ass gun that doesn't really work/isnt practical for shooting someone, you own one to shoot birds and shit with david cameron or you're a criminal. i've yet to see someone who is a genuine collector of modern weaponry.[/QUOTE]
that's because all the fun and interesting guns are illegal
here, they are not illegal. we have more gun hobbyists over here, and by extension, more intelligent gun hobbyists.
[QUOTE=Neat!;38129202]that's because all the fun and interesting guns are illegal
here, they are not illegal. we have more gun hobbyists over here, and by extension, more intelligent gun hobbyists.[/QUOTE]
it doesn't stop people from amassing a whole bunch of guns. there have been plenty of stories of people having assault weapons and shit in the UK right under the nose of the police, most of the guns come from outside of the UK too if i recall correctly (correct me if im wrong)
[QUOTE=Neat!;38129202]that's because all the fun and interesting guns are illegal
here, they are not illegal. we have more gun hobbyists over here, and by extension, more intelligent gun hobbyists.[/QUOTE]
Well that's an awful argument.
Let's say that 10% of gun owners have an IQ of above 100. (For this argument)
For a population, let us assume 100,000 gun hobbyists are in Britain. 10,000 of them will be relative geniuses.
Now let's assume 10 million gun hobbyists are in the USA. 1 million of them will be relative geniuses.
I would like you to examine this point I have made.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38129265]it doesn't stop people from amassing a whole bunch of guns. there have been plenty of stories of people having assault weapons and shit in the UK right under the nose of the police, most of the guns come from outside of the UK too if i recall correctly (correct me if im wrong)[/QUOTE]
the fact that the UK is an island also makes it much harder to smuggle them in
here in the colonies we've got mexico
[QUOTE=Neat!;38129333]the fact that the UK is an island also makes it much harder to smuggle them in
here in the colonies we've got mexico[/QUOTE]
we have ireland
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(lol try telling n irish folk that guns are a good thing)
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38128955]
More people play games than guns.
Also they are cheaper, easier to maintain and you can't blow your face off with them.[/QUOTE]
didn't see this edit
who are you to say i can't take up a dangerous hobby?
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[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38129358]we have ireland
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(lol try telling n irish folk that guns are a good thing)[/QUOTE]
come out ye black an' tans, come out an' fight me like a man...
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38129289]Well that's an awful argument.
Let's say that 10% of gun owners have an IQ of above 100. (For this argument)
For a population, let us assume 100,000 gun hobbyists are in Britain. 10,000 of them will be relative geniuses.
Now let's assume 10 million gun hobbyists are in the USA. 1 million of them will be relative geniuses.
I would like you to examine this point I have made.[/QUOTE]
The moment you brought in IQ made your argument rather comical.
[QUOTE=Jsm;38126547]That's being pretty anal on the details... Wouldn't a flintlock pistol be legal to own because of its age anyway (unless it was made recently of course..).[/QUOTE]
Only muzzle-loading pistols (including muzzle-loading revolvers) are permitted, all other pistols are prohibited on the UK mainland with some exceptions such as pistols used for the humane dispatch of injured animals (such as deer) and some historical firearms.
Long-barrelled revolvers and pistols are also legal
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[QUOTE=Swilly;38126964]Also, I know the UK doesn't have a constitution but more a long standing tradition.
Off topic, but why do you guys not write them down :v:?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom[/url]
we just don't have it written down on a piece of paper.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;38129410]The moment you brought in IQ made your argument rather comical.[/QUOTE]
Point is that it's a terrible argument.
More gun owners meaning more intelligent gun users?
That's an awful argument.
Someone tell this to the United States
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38129489]Point is that it's a terrible argument.
More gun owners meaning more intelligent gun users?
That's an awful argument.[/QUOTE]
it means that depending on where you live you have a higher probability of encountering an intelligent gun user
it's not like all gun owners are equally dispersed and sorted by intelligence
i live in the gun capital of america, you live in a place with few guns. who's more likely to encounter intelligent gun owners?
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;38129561]Someone tell this to the United States[/QUOTE]
It's not as if gun salesman say "You're going to kill someone with this right?" and the person says "Yes" and so they just hand over money in return for the firearm.
I don't see how this results in less gun-related crime, throw as many people you want in jail for life, it's not going to change much.
[QUOTE=jamzzster;38125329]By life sentence its on average 15 odd year[/QUOTE]
Usually around 20 years because its actually against Europoean law to sentence someone to life but there is a way around it. When its been 20 years the courts just need to continually refuse parole so they technically yet unofficially have a life sentence.
[QUOTE=Neat!;38129628]it means that depending on where you live you have a higher probability of encountering an intelligent gun user
it's not like all gun owners are equally dispersed and sorted by intelligence
i live in the gun capital of america, you live in a place with few guns. who's more likely to encounter intelligent gun owners?[/QUOTE]
You are, although you also have a greater chance of meeting a retarded gun owner than I do.
Hence your argument doesn't hold up.
[QUOTE=Neat!;38128876]Why would anyone want to play videogames?
Oh, right. Fun.[/QUOTE]
But hardly anyone in Britain [I]wants [/I]to go shooting. Most people wouldn't support a gun legalisation because they don't want it.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38129820]You are, although you also have a greater chance of meeting a retarded gun owner than I do.
Hence your argument doesn't hold up.[/QUOTE]
unless i live in an area saturated with intelligent gun owners, which i apparently do because i've never met a retarded gun owner
why were we arguing again? in the other thread you said you weren't arguing in favor of gun control so i suspect you're just arguing of the sake of arguing here
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38128955]Anecdotal evidence isn't the best way to support an argument.
I'd want a source saying that most gun owners are reasonable and intelligent people.
[/QUOTE]
"anecdotal evidence is stupid guys"
*posts anecdotal evidence*
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;38129844]But hardly anyone in Britain [I]wants [/I]to go shooting. Most people wouldn't support a gun legalisation because they don't want it.[/QUOTE]
because they haven't had the chance to try it because it's damn near illegal
some people don't want to open their minds i guess
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;38129864]"anecdotal evidence is stupid guys"
*posts anecdotal evidence*[/QUOTE]
Except he was directly asking me my experience with people whom used firearms.
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[QUOTE=Neat!;38129860]unless i live in an area saturated with intelligent gun owners, which i apparently do because i've never met a retarded gun owner
why were we arguing again? in the other thread you said you weren't arguing in favor of gun control so i suspect you're just arguing of the sake of arguing here[/QUOTE]
I'm pointing out flaws in your bullshit reasoning and arguments.
[QUOTE=Neat!;38129878]because they haven't had the chance to try it because it's damn near illegal
some people don't want to open their minds i guess[/QUOTE]
But it isn't illegal. If they want to try it they can, but they don't.
It's just a cultural difference. People assume that Britain and America don't really vary in culture noticeably, but they do.
Guns are ingrained into american culture, trying to ban them now wouldn't work. Back when pistols got banned in Britain, people were carrying flintlocks and wearing tophats, they weren't anywhere near as important to the populace as they are to the american public today.
That attitude has stayed with us; as yours has with you.
It's like trying to persuade a fundamentalist muslim to drink. He could, but he doesn't want to.
[QUOTE=Neat!;38129878]because they haven't had the chance to try it because it's damn near illegal
some people don't want to open their minds i guess[/QUOTE]
It isn't a case of us being closed minded, it's just that it isn't as ingrained within our culture like it is over there. In the US you have the second amendment and a lot of people there seem to take it incredibly seriously and seem to think that their whole way of life would collapse if that right were taken away and they would be defenceless and blah blah blah. While here in the UK we just don't give that much of a shit, as evidenced by a) the fact that there aren't that many gun owners compared to non gun owners and b) there isn't a strong movement to alter the current firearms laws. Personally I wouldn't mind if our gun laws were relaxed, some parts of our laws seem particularly silly even to me as some one who doesn't own or is particularly interested in owning a gun, but I can live with it as it is.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;38129928] Back when pistols got banned in Britain, people were carrying flintlocks and wearing tophats,
[/QUOTE]
I think you were in some weird place in 1997.
[QUOTE=Jsm;38130528]I think you were in some weird place in 1997.[/QUOTE]
Really? I thought that happened much longer ago (evidently).
Doesn't really matter, if anything it gives more fuel to my argument.
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