• Saudi man to be paralysed as a punishment.
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[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;24233534]An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Go to hell shauny[/QUOTE] MW2 quotes, gtfo.
[QUOTE=Numidium;24234112]MW2 quotes, gtfo.[/QUOTE] If you only know it from MW2, you should :frog:
By the way, the leader of Saudi Arabia is called... King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz Bin Abdulrahman Bin Faisal Bin Turki Bin Abdullah Bin Muhammad Bin Saud
[QUOTE=Numidium;24234112]MW2 quotes, gtfo.[/QUOTE] Are you that dense? Really?
[QUOTE=ohadje;24234107]"The largest backer of Hamas is Saudi Arabia, with over 50% of its funds coming from that country" [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Funding[/URL] [/QUOTE] And? Hamas is a government that was voted by the Palestinians in a free election. Deal with it. [quote] Regarding Saudi individuals: Saudi Arabia not doing anything about them is quite bad as well.[/quote]They are but there's a lot of channels so it's a hard process I suppose.
[quote] Hamas is a government that was voted by the Palestinians in a free election. Deal with it. [/quote] It's a terrorist organization. [QUOTE=Superwafflez;24234130]By the way, the leader of Saudi Arabia is called... King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz Bin Abdulrahman Bin Faisal Bin Turki Bin Abdullah Bin Muhammad Bin Saud[/QUOTE] They don't use family names there, so his name is just "Abdallah son of Abdulaziz son of abdulrahman" etc'.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24234169]It's a terrorist organization.[/QUOTE] According to U.S, E.U and Israel. That doesn't make it one. You could say the IDF is a terrorist army because the Arab countries + Palestine says it is one. From Council of Foreign Relation [URL]http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/hamas.html#p6[/URL] [highlight]Is Hamas a terrorist organization?[/highlight] [release]No. In addition to its military wing, the so-called Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigade, Hamas devotes much of its estimated $70-million annual budget to an extensive social services network. Indeed, the extensive social and political work done by Hamas - and its reputation among Palestinians as averse to corruption - partly explain its defeat of the Fatah old guard in the 2006 legislative vote. Hamas funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. [highlight] "[U][I]Approximately 90 percent of its work is in social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities[/I][/U]," writes the Israeli scholar Reuven Paz.[/highlight] The Palestinian Authority often fails to provide such services, and Hamas's efforts in this area—as well as a reputation for honesty, in contrast to the many Fatah officials accused of corruption—help to explain the broad popularity it summoned to defeat Fatah in the PA's recent elections.[/release] I can see why Saudi funds them. [editline]03:06PM[/editline] Once again [release]Historically, much of Hamas's funding came from Palestinian expatriates and [highlight]private donors in Saudi Arabia[/highlight] and other oil-rich Persian Gulf states. [/release]
Oh, Ok - Hamas is NOT a terrorist organization. I'm starting to get your mindset starpluck.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24234226]Oh, Ok - Hamas is NOT a terrorist organization. I'm starting to get your mindset starpluck.[/QUOTE] It's a government. If I could, I would have not voted for them, but I will recognize their every right as a government.
Irrelevant. They are a terrorist organization - whether you like it or not. The "private donors" is just a Saudi cover up for extensive support of terrorist activities: [url]http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/html/final/eng/bu/saudi/saudi_dgb.htm[/url] [url]https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/RL32499.pdf&embedded=true[/url]
Holy shit that is fucked up, I would rather be dead than paralyzed.
stoning seems like a better option than this basically...
[QUOTE=ohadje;24234346] The "private donors" is just a Saudi cover up for extensive support of terrorist activities: [URL]http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/html/final/eng/bu/saudi/saudi_dgb.htm[/URL] [URL]https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/RL32499.pdf&embedded=true[/URL][/QUOTE] Don't give me links if you don't read them. Theirs a huge difference between government funding terror and private groups. I'm sure there's loads of extremest groups in the States that secretly fund Al-Qaeda etc. That doesn't mean the U.S does as well. [QUOTE=ohadje;24234346]Irrelevant. They are a terrorist organization - whether you like it or not. [/QUOTE] No it's relevant. It's a government in need of funding. And lets go by your logic, Hamas classifies the IDF as 'terrorist' because of their blatant war crimes. Does that mean they are :downs: [quote]Saudi Arabia’s past involvement in international terrorism is indisputable. While the Bush administration decided to retract 28 sensitive pages of the Joint Intelligence Report of the U.S. Congress...[/quote]No conspiracy websites please.
[quote=dainbramagestudios;24233567]kill yourself[/quote] :irony:
-broken automerge-
They're basically just Afghanistan with money.
Even though it's a fucked up punishment he still isn't innocent.
Man, this is going to be easy. [quote]Don't give me links if you don't read them.[/quote] You didn't read the links yourself, it seems. "As already demonstrated, Saudi Arabia erected a number of large global charities in the 1960s and 1970s whose original purpose may have been to spread Wahhabi Islam, but which became penetrated by prominent individuals from al-Qaeda’s global jihadi network. The three most prominent of these charities were the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO; an offshoot of the Muslim World League), the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, and the Charitable Foundations of al-Haramain. All three are suspected by various global intelligence organizations of terrorist funding. From the CIA’s interrogation of an al-Qaeda operative, it was learned that al-Haramain, for example, was used as a conduit for funding al-Qaeda in Southeast Asia. Furthermore, Russia’s Federal Security Service charged that al-Haramain was wiring funds to Chechen militants in 1999. 11 It would be incorrect to view these charities as purely non-governmental organizations (NGOs) or private charities, as they are mistakenly called. [b]At the apex of each organization’s board is a top Saudi official[/b]. The Saudi Grand Mufti, who is also a Saudi cabinet member, chairs the Constituent Council of the Muslim World League. The Saudi Minister of Islamic Affairs chairs the secretariat of WAMY and the administrative council of al-Haramain. All three organizations have received large charitable contributions from the Saudi royal family that have been detailed in Saudi periodicals. Indeed, according to legal documents submitted on behalf of the Saudis by their legal team in the firm Baker Botts, in the 9/11 lawsuit, Prince Sultan provided $266,000 a year to the IIRO for sixteen years.12 He also provided a much smaller sum to WAMY. In short, these Saudi charities were full-fledged GOs – governmental organizations. The earliest documented links between one of these charities and terrorists was found in Bosnia. It is a handwritten account on IIRO stationery from the late 1980s of a meeting attended by the secretary-general of the Muslim World League and bin Laden representatives, indicating the IIRO’s readiness to have its offices used in support of militant actions.13 As already noted, IIRO has been suspected of terrorist funding in the Philippines, Russia, East Africa, Bosnia, and India. Al-Qaeda operatives became accustomed to Saudi Arabia being their source of support, in general. In an intercepted telephone conversation, a senior al-Qaeda operative told a subordinate: “Don’t ever worry about money, because Saudi Arabia’s money is your money.”14 As recently as mid-August 2003, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage admitted in Australia that “some money from Saudi private charities had gone toward funding militants in Iraq.” 15 But the strongest documented cases that demonstrate the ties between Saudi Arabia’s global charities and international terrorism are related to Hamas. These ties were allegedly already in place in the mid-1990s when a Hamas funding group received instructions to write letters of thanks to executives of IIRO and WAMY for funds it had received. In 1994, President Clinton made a brief stop-over in Saudi Arabia during which he complained about Saudi funding of Hamas. These charges about Saudi Arabia bankrolling Hamas have become even more vociferous in recent years." Later the article demonstrates the links between each charity organizations to Saudi officials (usually managed by Saudi ministers) - and a direct funding of terrorism: [url]http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/html/final/eng/bu/saudi/saudi_dgb.htm[/url] Scroll down for the chart (you probably just read the first sentence, because you aren't really interested in knowing). And now, Council on Foreign Relations Studies.7 An independent task force sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations has issued two reports that address terrorist financing and Saudi Arabia’s alleged financial support for terrorism. The task force’s October 2002 report strongly criticized what it asserted was Saudi 6 FBI agents discovered a handwritten list of 20 alleged Al Qaeda financiers during a March 2002 raid on a Saudi-based charity in Sarajevo, Bosnia. Bin Laden apparently referred to the group as “the Golden Chain.” Further details were submitted to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois by federal prosecutors in January 2003. The 9/11 Commission Report cites the following document: “Government’s Evidentiary Proffer Supporting the Admissibility of Co-Conspirator Statements, United States v. Enaam Arnaout, No. 02-CR-892 (N.D. Ill. filed January 6, 2003).” Terrorist Financing. Report of an Independent Task Force Sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations, October 2002. Available at [[url]http://www.cfr.org/pdf/Terrorist_Financing[/url] _TF.pdf] and Update on the Global Campaign Against Terrorist Financing. Second Report of an Independent Task Force on Terrorist Financing Sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations, June 15, 2004. See [[url]http://www.cfr.org/pdf/Revised_Terrorist_Financing.pdf][/url]. The Council on Foreign Relations does not institutionally endorse the studies produced byits independent task forces, and notes that task force members are solely responsible for the content of their respective reports. CRS-4 financial support for international terrorist groups. For example, the report stated both in its summary and in the main body: “For years, individuals and charities based in Saudi Arabia have been the most important source of funds for Al Qaeda. And for years, Saudi officials have turned a blind eye to this problem.” The authors argued that a connection between Saudi donors and Al Qaeda is logical for several reasons: Saudi Arabia possesses the greatest concentration of wealth in the region; Saudi nationals and charities were previously the most important sources of funds for the mujahideen [fighters against the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan]; Saudi nationals have always constituted a disproportionate percentage of Al Qaeda’s own membership; and Al Qaeda’s political message has long focused on issues of particular interest to Saudi nationals, especially those who are disenchanted with their own government [emphasis added]. [url]https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/RL32499.pdf&embedded=true[/url] [QUOTE]No it's relevant. It's a government in need of funding.[/quote] Saudi Arabia has supported "charity" organizations that funded HAMAS since HAMAS was created. You know what - lets assume Saudi Arabia does not support HAMAS-not-a-terrorist-organization DIRECTLY, they are still supporting it through allowing Saudi donores to donate HAMAS with money, although it's a terrorist organization (and have done so before HAMAS took control of Gaza). From the official report to the congress presented above, it is easy to see that Saudi Arabia - if not directly funding HAMAS, ignores and ignored any financial support of HAMAS since ever after.
This news post stunned me.
Some of the punishments in those those places aren't too bad. Rate me dumb if you're a pussyfag
[QUOTE=ohadje;24234649]Man, this is going to be easy. You didn't read the links yourself, it seems. [/QUOTE] Haha no, I'm going to take what you just copied and pasted with a grain of salt. All it was really was "Saudi funds Terrorists, U.S is complicit and covers up documents about these documents pertaining to Saudi." The only credible source you provided was the CRS one presented to the congress. Also, take a quick read here: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Saudi_Arabia[/url] [quote] Saudi Arabia has supported "charity" organizations that funded HAMAS since HAMAS was created. You know what - lets assume Saudi Arabia does not support HAMAS-not-a-terrorist-organization DIRECTLY, they are still supporting it through allowing Saudi donores to donate HAMAS with money, although it's a terrorist organization (and have done so before HAMAS took control of Gaza). From the official report to the congress presented above, it is easy to see that Saudi Arabia - if not directly funding HAMAS, ignores and ignored any financial support of HAMAS since ever after.[/quote]It doesn't matter if even the Saudi [I]government [/I]funds the Palestinian government. It's not a terrorist government because Israel and it's bitch the U.S says so. I already told you where 90% of Hamas' funding goes, hence why THEY ARE funded.
[QUOTE=Numidium;24234112]MW2 quotes, gtfo.[/QUOTE] Gandhi ain't got shit on MW2.
[quote]Haha no, I'm going to take what you just copied and pasted with a grain of salt. [/quote] How typical of you. Either you didn't read it, or you did read it but turned your ignore mode on, because it simply didn't fit your agenda. Listen, the article is well-sourced and explained with a very easy language - which I'm sure you can understand very well. The article showed that Saudi "Muslim Charity" organizations - funded by the Saudi government and actually have a Saudi minister as their chairman, fund HAMAS and aid it since the 1990s - a "few" years earlier than HAMAS taking over Gaza Strip. But that's ok - I didn't expect [i]you[/i] to be convinced, I simply tried to explain the situation for those who view this thread for them to make their minds. You are way to biased and fixated to change any of your opinions, even when presented with evidence. [quote]It doesn't matter if even the Saudi government funds the Palestinian government.[/quote] Let me simply copy-paste what I wrote earlier, because you simply ignored it: "But the strongest documented cases that demonstrate the ties between Saudi Arabia’s global charities and international terrorism are related to Hamas. These ties were allegedly already in place in the mid-1990s when a Hamas funding group received instructions to write letters of thanks to executives of IIRO and WAMY for funds it had received. In 1994, President Clinton made a brief stop-over in Saudi Arabia during which he complained about Saudi funding of Hamas. These charges about Saudi Arabia bankrolling Hamas have become even more vociferous in recent years." Saudi Arabia funds HAMAS through a complicated system of "charity" organisation since the 1990s, and if I'll even agree with you it doesn't support HAMAS directly, it supports and allows the continuation of the donations to HAMAS (who began since its' foundation in 1987) by "Saudi individuals" - thus supports "indirectly" the fund of HAMAS. And let me repeat - Saudi Arabia allowed the so-called individuals and charity organizations to fund HAMAS since it's creation. They didn't stop them at 2007 and until these days Saudi Arabia funds HAMAS. [QUOTE] Also, take a quick read here: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Saudi_Arabia[/url][/quote] You may as well present Jundallah as evidence Iran doesn't support terrorism. No one is buying your bullshit.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24235104]How typical of you. Either you didn't read it, or you did read it but turned your ignore mode on, because it simply didn't fit your agenda. Listen, the article is well-sourced and explained with a very easy language - which I'm sure you can understand very well. The article showed that Saudi "Muslim Charity" organizations - funded by the Saudi government and actually have a Saudi minister as their chairman, fund HAMAS and aid it since the 1990s - a "few" years earlier than HAMAS taking over Gaza Strip. But that's ok - I didn't expect [I]you[/I] to be convinced, I simply tried to explain the situation for those who view this thread for them to make their minds. You are way to biased and fixated to change any of your opinions, even when presented with evidence. [/QUOTE] It was horribly sourced and only sourced already known knowledge, Claims like "Bush retracted documents proving Saudi funds terrorism" weren't sourced. Just accept it, you're copying and pasting a conspiracy theorist level website. [quote] Let me simply copy-paste what I wrote earlier, because you simply ignored it: "But the strongest documented cases that demonstrate the ties between Saudi Arabia’s global charities and international terrorism are related to Hamas. These ties were allegedly already in place in the mid-1990s when a Hamas funding group received instructions to write letters of thanks to executives of IIRO and WAMY for funds it had received. In 1994, President Clinton made a brief stop-over in Saudi Arabia during which he complained about Saudi funding of Hamas. These charges about Saudi Arabia bankrolling Hamas have become even more vociferous in recent years." Saudi Arabia funds HAMAS through a complicated system of "charity" organisation since the 1990s, and if I'll even agree with you it doesn't support HAMAS directly, it supports and allows the continuation of the donations to HAMAS (who began since its' foundation in 1987) by "Saudi individuals" - thus supports "indirectly" the fund of HAMAS. And let me repeat - Saudi allowed the so-called individuals and charity organizations to fund HAMAS since it's creation. They didn't stop them at 2007 and until these days Saudi Arabia funds HAMAS.[/quote]I'm not asking you to copy and paste shit, I could easily go to Google, find a website that suits my views with UNSOURCED CLAIMS than copy and paste. But since you couldn't read what I wrote several times - I know Saudi funds Hamas one way or another, that's my point. You use baseless claims to support that it funds Al-Qaeda etc.which is untrue. However, I'm more than certain that they fund Hamas and my point is that their is [B]absolutely[/B] nothing wrong with funding the Palestinian government. Bo hoo, Israel says they're terrorists, therefore they must be right? And I already told you, it shouldn't be that hard (Actually it is) to get it through your head, why would Saudi [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Saudi_Arabia"]fund it's own destruction[/URL]? They already have enough problems with terrorism in their country, but you somehow is quick to believe a conspiracy website that says otherwise AND says[B] the U.S is complicit.[/B]
[quote] I know Saudi funds Hamas one way or another, that's my point. [/quote] So we agree Saudi Arabia funds terrorism, excellent. [quote]However, I'm more than certain that they fund Hamas and their is absolutely nothing wrong with funding the Palestinian government.[/quote] They funded HAMAS since 1987. HAMAS has killed hundreds of innocents using these funds. Today, HAMAS uses the money it receives from Saudi Arabia for weaponry, combat training and oppression of the local population. Saudi support of HAMAS is disgusting, and Saudi officials have a lot of blood of innocents on their hands. [QUOTE] Just accept it, you're copying and pasting a conspiracy theorist level website[/quote] You ARE aware that this was presented in the US senate? "This Jerusalem Viewpoints is an updated version of his testimony before the U.S. Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs of July 31, 2003, and is based on his presentation at the Institute for Contemporary Affairs in Jerusalem on September 18, 2003." [url]http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Hearing&Hearing_ID=9e6956c7-914f-490f-8b0d-5aedc0587db0[/url]
Terrorists aren't a single organisation, you should know that better than anyone. They fund the groups that they like and fight the ones they don't. It's also Israel, the US and EU as stated by you. The only ones left are Arabs and countries that don't care or don't have sufficient intelligence organisations.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24235252] They funded HAMAS since 1987. HAMAS has killed hundreds of innocents using these funds. Today, HAMAS uses the money it receives from Saudi Arabia for weaponry, combat training and oppression of the local population. Saudi support of HAMAS is disgusting, and Saudi officials have a lot of blood of innocents on their hands. [/QUOTE] The US funded Israel since 1948. Israel has killed thousands innocents using these funds. Today, Israel uses the money it receives from the U.S for weaponry, combat training and oppression of the local population. U.S support of Israel is disgusting, and the U.S have a lot of blood of innocents on their hands. So, according to your logic, the U.S funds terrorism! (Except Hamas uses 90% of these funds for public services) [quote] You ARE aware that this was presented in the US senate? "This Jerusalem Viewpoints is an updated version of his testimony before the U.S. Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs of July 31, 2003, and is based on his presentation at the Institute for Contemporary Affairs in Jerusalem on September 18, 2003."[/quote]Are you talking about the CRS?
And here's another interersting document (from that day of the hearing in the Senate): [url]http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=e27608a1-a8e5-4130-a045-ffc203f8928d[/url] Please read it starpluck. At least the 2 first pages. [quote]Are you talking about the CRS?[/quote] No, I'm talking about the site you claimed was a conspiracy theory. [QUOTE]The US funded Israel since 1948. Israel has killed thousands innocents using these funds. Today, Israel uses the money it receives from the U.S for weaponry, combat training and oppression of the local population. U.S support of Israel is disgusting, and the U.S have a lot of blood of innocents on their hands. So, according to your logic, the U.S funds terrorism![/quote] What a pathetic attempt to divert the attention from the point. Let me simply copy-paste what I wrote earlier, because you simply ignored it: "But the strongest documented cases that demonstrate the ties between Saudi Arabia’s global charities and international terrorism are related to Hamas. These ties were allegedly already in place in the mid-1990s when a Hamas funding group received instructions to write letters of thanks to executives of IIRO and WAMY for funds it had received. In 1994, President Clinton made a brief stop-over in Saudi Arabia during which he complained about Saudi funding of Hamas. These charges about Saudi Arabia bankrolling Hamas have become even more vociferous in recent years." Saudi Arabia funds HAMAS through a complicated system of "charity" organisation since the 1990s, and if I'll even agree with you it doesn't support HAMAS directly, it supports and allows the continuation of the donations to HAMAS (who began since its' foundation in 1987) by "Saudi individuals" - thus supports "indirectly" the fund of HAMAS. And let me repeat - Saudi Arabia allowed the so-called individuals and charity organizations to fund HAMAS since it's creation. They didn't stop them at 2007 and until these days Saudi Arabia funds HAMAS. Your entire point was that it is legitimate to fund HAMAS because it is a governmental force. Yet, Saudi Arabia has funded HAMAS since its' creation - funding its' terrorist acts against Israelis and Palestinians. When you'll make an actual, substantial comment about the fact that Saudi Arabia funded HAMAS since 1987 - I'll take you more seriously, and not as some weird troll with terrible debating abilities and lack of consistency.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24235327]And here's another interersting document (from that day of the hearing in the Senate): [URL]http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=e27608a1-a8e5-4130-a045-ffc203f8928d[/URL] Please read it starpluck. At least the 2 first pages. [/QUOTE] I skimmed it and it was about if Saudi can crack down on terrorist groups. It's good they made made mentioned about how key Saudi leaders made a pledge and want to crack down on terror. However, they should of mentioned that Saudi issued an Islamic fatwa prohibiting terrorism funding/activities. And don't say "the fatwa is a lie" or else you could say Saudi is not religious. [editline]04:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ohadje;24235327] No, I'm talking about the site you claimed was a conspiracy theory. .[/QUOTE] Where does it say it was.
From the document: "Therein lies the problem: The refusal by Saudi officials to admit that they have a problem. For years, components of Saudi charities have been used to funnel money or divert resources to terrorist organizations. However, the Saudi Government has refused to reign in these groups or acknowledge the flow of funds to terrorist movements." [quote]However, they should of mentioned that Saudi issued an Islamic fatwa prohibiting terrorism funding/activities. And don't say "the fatwa is a lie" or else you could say Saudi is not religious.[/quote] Because it is rather impossible for Saudi officials to give a shit about Islam. [QUOTE]Where does it say it was.[/quote] [url]http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/html/final/eng/bu/saudi/saudi_dgb.htm[/url] Jump down to the end of the article (right before the charts part): "Dore Gold is President of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs and former Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations. This Jerusalem Viewpoints is an updated version of his testimony before the U.S. Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs of July 31, 2003, and is based on his presentation at the Institute for Contemporary Affairs in Jerusalem on September 18, 2003." And from the Senate website: [url]http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Hearing&Hearing_ID=9e6956c7-914f-490f-8b0d-5aedc0587db0[/url] Panel 2 Ambassador [b]Dore Gold[/b] (this is the writer of the article) [view testimony] Former Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations Steve Emerson [view testimony] Executive Director The Investigative Project Jonathan Winer [view testimony] Alston & Bird
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