Man Removed by Police for not Standing During Pledge of Allegiance - Polidicks

Land of the free(?)

Land of the free* *exceptions included, see store for more details It's great to see that our neighbor can incriminate beliefs and values

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I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under Zeus, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45865924]That mayor has the right idea. America is about loyalty to the state and nation. Not freedom. My social studies class was interrupted by some random announcement like the Queens birthday or something and we ended up having to stand for God Save the Queen and make a pledge of loyalty. Me and a couple of my friends just sat there working and nobody cared.[/QUOTE] Y'see that's weird. Even in England I've never had to make a pledge of loyalty or anything. Or been reminded of the Queen's birthday. The only things we do are on big state events like royal weddings, and that's because we tend to get a day off school/work.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;45865387]the fetishizing of patriotism (borderline-nationalism) and military in our country is much more prevalent than just one man let's be real.[/QUOTE] Yeah but I feel like a lot of you guys go too far the other way too, to the point where you just hate all military personnel regardless of what they do or why they joined.

[QUOTE=3Dprinter;45866149]Yeah but I feel like a lot of you guys go too far the other way too, to the point where you just hate all military personnel regardless of what they do or why they joined.[/QUOTE] well the way you feel is wrong

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45866418]No, they're really are some people out there who hate the military, and everything it stands for. Just like there are people out there who worship the military, and think it can do no wrong.[/QUOTE] there are people but they aren't "a lot of us guys"

Honestly, if i was one of the soldiers this asshole claims he was looking out for, id find it far more offensive for a man to be forced to pledge allegiance to a god he did not believe in, he should be free to do what he likes, considering ~freedom~ is the very ideal im supposed to be be fighting for.

Not sure why you think its patriotism bordering on nationalism when its clearly just straight up nationalism. [QUOTE=ilikecorn;45866418]No, they're really are some people out there who hate the military, and everything it stands for. Just like there are people out there who worship the military, and think it can do no wrong.[/QUOTE] You can hate the military without hating troops. [QUOTE=3Dprinter;45866149]Yeah but I feel like a lot of you guys go too far the other way too, to the point where you just hate all military personnel regardless of what they do or why they joined.[/QUOTE] The patriotic right generally supports raising military spending while cutting benefits and support systems for people who serve (latter is unsaid). The anti-war left generally supports decreasing military spending and increasing benefits for servicemen. I've really never seen any cases of people straight up going "fuck the troops" without being ironic or edgy.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45867050]Not sure why you think its patriotism bordering on nationalism when its clearly just straight up nationalism. [/QUOTE] because if I said what I actually thought without just sugercoating it a little it makes people uncomfortable

Bullshit. Absolute utter bullshit. This is wrong on so many levels. He has every right to not stand for the pledge and shouldn't be given trouble for refusing to do so.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;45865387]the fetishizing of patriotism (borderline-nationalism) and military in our country is much more prevalent than just one man let's be real.[/QUOTE] 1. You just said patriotism is borderline-patriotism, which makes little sense. Nationalism and patriotism are synonymous terms (except when using nationalism's second meaning as a movement to establish a sovereign nation). You probably meant borderline-jingoism. 2. You'd be exaggerating quite a lot to say that "fetishizing" it is all that prevalent.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45868269]2. You'd be exaggerating quite a lot to say that "fetishizing" it is all that prevalent.[/QUOTE] see the south.

In high school I was developing my chronic back problem and had issues standing up sometimes and would be allowed to sit down while citing the pledge.

Patriotism and nationalism aren't synonyms though they're close. Generally nationalism is considered a more extreme form of patriotism, going beyond pride and into a superiority complex. Nationalism is also a lot more to do with culture and background vs patriotism being more the unity of people under a government. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, maybe it's just my rural upbringing but I see the cult of the flag everywhere.

To my knowledge the pledge of allegiance is just an artifact of world war II propaganda. I mean it was thought up in 1892 but wasn't really used until 1942. Even the "under god" part wasn't added until 1954. My rambling point is, I can respect and love my country without blindly reciting a few verses that are semi pointless to begin with.

For a few days last year, I tested to see how far I could go with the pledge. At first I didn't say, then I didn't stand up. Needless to say my Chemistry (first period) teacher got really pissed.

This injection of religion into a nations pride, reminds of a linguistics issue that I have with my own native language. In Irish, to say hello, you say "Dia Duit." Which literally translates to "God be with you." The Irish language existed without monotheism for many many years, and I'm positive we used to have a secular greeting, but it was killed and forgot during the strongly Catholic, Irish language revival movement.

Damn, is it that hard (for the physically abled) to just stand up.

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;45907927]Damn, is it that hard (for the physically abled) to just stand up.[/QUOTE] It's mentally hard, though, to pledge allegiance to something that you propably don't even care about