Youtube subs are dissappearing by the millions, some channels going negative - Polidicks

the best hacker is a hacker who does what people says is unlikely to do and doesn't broadcast his or her success. As I would say if youtube was hacked.

i don't claim to know anything about running a website the size and popularity of youtube but.. how do you fuck this up?? like seriously this is onion article levels of comedy.

what if you unsub from youtube god kills a subscriber?

this isnt that big of a deal im sure. people are only visually losing subscribers. youtube can probably just refresh a cache and everything will fix itself

some genius at youtube probably figured "well, most people who subbed in the past are on inactive accounts and will never unsub, therefore we should make every unsub count for two to make up for it!". Youtube employees have historically proven themselves dumb people.

[QUOTE=DatHarry;51796568]i don't claim to know anything about running a website the size and popularity of youtube but.. how do you fuck this up?? like seriously this is onion article levels of comedy.[/QUOTE] It's really not? It's a simple harmless UI bug.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;51796360]I have a net gain of 1 subscriber over the last two months! :toot:[/QUOTE] Didn't know you could subscribe to your own channel

[QUOTE=Ithon;51796589]what if you unsub from youtube god kills a subscriber?[/QUOTE] *repeatedly subs and unsubs from channels i dont like*

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;51796700]It's really not? It's a simple harmless UI bug.[/QUOTE] i'm not saying it's serious I just don't know how you can fuck up a system so basic suddenly after 11 years

[QUOTE=DatHarry;51796748]i'm not saying it's serious I just don't know how you can fuck up a system so basic suddenly after 11 years[/QUOTE] As someone who does front end/back end web development, easily.

Hmm, seems like the subscriber counts are frozen now and the negative ones went to 0. Or at least that's what the UI element on youtube indicates.

[QUOTE=papaya;51796716]*repeatedly subs and unsubs from channels i dont like*[/QUOTE] *trying to sub and unsub from all of the things your sub and unsubing from to try to kill you the most deadly and inefficient manor of roulette.*

Ethan made a vid on it [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n8B2CXa4Uo[/media]

this is just one giant shitshow unfolding right now

[QUOTE=insane taco;51796708]Didn't know you could subscribe to your own channel[/QUOTE] Yeah.... had the account for over a decade and decided to [I]'subscribe to myself'[/I] in the last two months. For those otherwise concerned (+6/-5)

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51796333]This is some pretty interesting programming. Wonder what's causing the glitch.[/QUOTE] Most likely some caching issue. Especially since they mentioned the underlying data is fine. Obviously they need to cache the sub count so I'd bet the calcs got messed up somewhere [editline]9th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=DatHarry;51796748]i'm not saying it's serious I just don't know how you can fuck up a system so basic suddenly after 11 years[/QUOTE] Is it so basic? When you consider you need to display that count for every single user who clicks on the video, and the count needs to be very quick to compute. Clearly they can't add up all the subs each time a user clicks on it. That would cost too much computation-wise. So they cache it. Caching can be easy to mess up. It may seem simple to someone who doesn't know how these systems are implemented - after all, how complicated can a simple count be? Remember that nothing is simple at the scales YouTube deals with.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;51796636]some genius at youtube probably figured "well, most people who subbed in the past are on inactive accounts and will never unsub, therefore we should make every unsub count for two to make up for it!". Youtube employees have historically proven themselves dumb people.[/QUOTE] Or, you know, it's just an unintended visual glitch.

I'm really Don't think this is just a visual glitch knowing youtube this is damage control...a-fucking-gain.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51797287]I'm really Don't think this is just a visual glitch knowing youtube this is damage control...a-fucking-gain.[/QUOTE] How else are negative subs possible?

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;51797333]How else are negative subs possible?[/QUOTE] How is it being negative any indicator of anything?

[QUOTE=sannys;51797349]How is it being negative any indicator of anything?[/QUOTE] If you have a list of something (subscribers) and you add them up to a negative number, then it's more likely that you counted wrong rather than your subscribers actually being a number below zero.

[QUOTE=sannys;51797349]How is it being negative any indicator of anything?[/QUOTE] because you cannot have negative subscribers. so at the end of the day it's much more plausible for it to be nothing but a visual error relating to the cache of subscriber counts [editline]9th February 2017[/editline] honestly, all of these youtubers next paychecks will probably be even more than their last because of all of the views this incident is pulling in.

How do we know this isn't a social blade bug?

[QUOTE=Bradyns;51796360]I have a net gain of 1 subscriber over the last two months! :toot:[/QUOTE] i lose 70 subscribers every single time i upload a video v:v:v [editline]8th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;51797399]How do we know this isn't a social blade bug?[/QUOTE] youtube page was showing -1,555 subs last time i checked on blackscreentv's channel, so it's more than just social blade.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51797399]How do we know this isn't a social blade bug?[/QUOTE] well it's stopped plummeting.

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;51797360]If you have a list of something (subscribers) and you add them up to a negative number, then it's more likely that you counted wrong rather than your subscribers actually being a number below zero.[/QUOTE] It's not more likely. Doesn't make sense to assume to so. Everything in this thread is conjecture. [QUOTE=Keychain;51797362]because you cannot have negative subscribers[/QUOTE] Yes, you can. Computers don't have an idea of what should or shouldn't be possible. If you choose to store the amount of subscribers in such a way that it ends up being negative, that's because you allowed the computer to interpret it that way.

[QUOTE=Keychain;51797362]because you cannot have negative subscribers.[/QUOTE] unless the number (visually) can change independently of the actual data if there are no more entries in the data to remove. we don't actually know unless we find out from people previously subbed who are no longer subbed due to this event.

[QUOTE=sannys;51797405]If you choose to store the amount of subscribers in such a way that it ends up being negative, that's because you allowed the computer to interpret it that way.[/QUOTE] You're describing a counter glitch, which is what people are arguing it being. People are still subscribed to people with negative subscribers. The only way this makes sense is a glitch with the way the counter counts.

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;51797458]You're describing a counter glitch, which is what people are arguing it being. People are still subscribed to people with negative subscribers. The only way this makes sense is a glitch with the way the counter counts.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it's a counter glitch. What I'm saying is a counter glitch is not a [I]visual[/I] glitch, which you seemed to imply it was in your response to OmniConsUme. I don't think subscribers are actually being unsubscribed.

A counter glitch, a visual glitch, are they not both the same thing? I know from using cheat engine that some games have multiple values for one thing. For example: Your health could be 3 different values, one for hud, another for the actual health, another that you maybe see displayed in an inventory screen or that NPC's can read. You could techniqually run a script to make it so that the displayed hud negates by 2 every time 1 health is removed, but you never actually lose health I'm sure someone whose way smarter than me can understand what I mean by that. I'm SURE that its something like that for websites too Basically what I'm trying to say is, the actual number of subs youtube has counted could be totally different from the counted/visual number.