Boxing legend Kellie Maloney (formerly Frank Maloney) comes out as Transgender. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=matt000024;45650798]Ad hominem I see? I'm don't hate trans people or anything just like I don't hate people who get a tattoo, but in both cases I think it is dumb decision. At least with a tattoo you can reverse it if you really need to.[/QUOTE] How does the thought process work in comparing permanent or temporary body art to modifications to your physique?

"modifying your physique" is a euphemism more like destroying your body and pumping yourself full of chemicals so you can tell yourself you are what you aren't. i don't care that people do this to themselves, it's their lives and they can do what they want why the fuck would you want to destroy what nature's given you? i genuinely just don't undestand

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45651409]"modifying your physique" is a euphemism more like destroying your body and pumping yourself full of chemicals so you can tell yourself you are what you aren't. i don't care that people do this to themselves, it's their lives and they can do what they want why the fuck would you want to destroy what nature's given you? i genuinely just don't undestand[/QUOTE] I'm confused, you don't care, why are you asking? NICE EDIT BRO

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45651409]"modifying your physique" is a euphemism why the fuck would you want to destroy what nature's given you? i genuinely just don't undestand[/QUOTE] does this rationale apply to fixing birth defects too

Holy shit, guys. If she's come to the conclusion that she's transgender, I'm sure she could have changed her opinion on homosexuality. And just so you know, you refer to a trans person with the correctly gendered words/pronouns as soon as they come out, not when they're done transitioning. No flip-flopping between pronouns or using the ones they were designated at birth. That's shitty.

I guess I do care, I wouldn't actively be against people wanting an operation. I just don't agree with it. I'm more just curious because it seems so simple to me, which might be naive.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45651409]"modifying your physique" is a euphemism why the fuck would you want to destroy what nature's given you? i genuinely just don't undestand[/QUOTE] yeah man why would anyone want to fix crippling dysphoria or waking up clawing at your face.

[QUOTE=Derpmeifter;45651427]does this rationale apply to fixing birth defects too[/QUOTE] destroying your genitals and fixing a birth defect is in a slightly different ballpark for me

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45651482]destroying your genitals and fixing a birth defect is in a slightly different ballpark for me[/QUOTE] You have a way of loading your sentences that you should probably stop. Explain to me how exactly they are "Destroying their genitals"

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45651409]why the fuck would you want to destroy what nature's given you? i genuinely just don't undestand[/QUOTE] If nature gave you a body with no tattoos (like all bodies), and a tattoo artist offered you one. [B]What would you do? Is this acceptable in your eyes?[/B] If nature gave you no teeth, and a dentist offered you a fake set. [B]What would you do? Is this acceptable in your eyes?[/B] If nature gave you no genitalia, and a surgeon said they could give you a set. [B]What would you do? Is this acceptable in your eyes?[/B] If nature gave you one set of genitalia, and you didn't feel comfortable with them for a long period of time, and a surgeon offered you a different set. [B]What would you do? Is this acceptable in your eyes?[/B]

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45651409]"modifying your physique" is a euphemism more like destroying your body and pumping yourself full of chemicals so you can tell yourself you are what you aren't. i don't care that people do this to themselves, it's their lives and they can do what they want why the fuck would you want to destroy what nature's given you? i genuinely just don't undestand[/QUOTE] you don't understand because you're too closed minded to accept the fact that people can feel differently about themselves compared to how you feel about yourself. most children grow this.. basic brain function at the age of 8 months. I see it's a bit late with you

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45651482]destroying your genitals and fixing a birth defect is in a slightly different ballpark for me[/QUOTE] why are you holding genitalia sacred over the mental health of whoever is suffering from gender dysphoria

Genitals are only prescribed as inherently belonging to a woman or a man because of hundreds of years of societal stigma. In other words, what you've got down there doesn't dictate your gender.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45651482]destroying your genitals and fixing a birth defect is in a slightly different ballpark for me[/QUOTE]Not all transpeople go through full SRS for starters. Second, its not like they just take a cleaver, its an actual medical procedure performed by trained doctors. Third, gender is the unchangeable mental aspect. It's set very, very early in life, no later than 2 or 3 at the latest, possibly even earlier. As it has been found, it is easier and better to change the body to fit a person's gender than change their mind to fit their sex. Its actually seen as really unethical to try and force someone who is trans to adhere to their conflicting sex, and regularly causes a lot of anguish.

[QUOTE=matt000024;45650756]If you wanna dress like a woman then okay, but I don't see how mutilating your own body is acceptable.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is wrong with you. All 18 years of my life have been an absolute agony because my mind and soul does not match my physical gender. If there is anything I want in this world it is getting my fiddly bits corrected. Its not "mutilation" It's not just chopping the girls cock off with a fire axe or some shit. It is a surgercial procedure that involves a lot of complexity which results in a sexually functioning and sensitive (neo)vagina. For some transsexuals what is between their legs matters very much and it is crucial for their life quality that they get these genitals corrected. Transsexualism is a legitimate issue that needs to be solved in transsexual individuals, not a phase teenagers go through or a lifestyle or a fetish/fandom like otherkin or furries, these body modifications are not just done for shits and giggles, they are done to make a life bearable for a person. You cant talk a trans person out of being transsexual, no prayer or exorcism session, no voodoo magic or herbal tea can "cure" transsexualism. And trying to do these forceful things on a transsexual is harmful for them and does more bad than good. Hope this educated you a little. Edit: Why the fuck am I getting rated dumb?

[QUOTE=codemaster85;45650926]Not that uncommon, theres plenty of gays and lesbians that are strictly against transgendered people.[/QUOTE] that isn't that crazy to see, in fact it wouldn't be that illogical as to how they could be that way however if your trans and against gays you're kind of a gigantic idiot

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45651543]gender is the unchangeable mental aspect. It's set very, very early in life, no later than 2 or 3 at the latest, possibly even earlier.[/QUOTE] How can it be unchangeable if gender forms over time? You're saying at some point it solidifies but that seems like a claim that hasn't been tested. Surely there are accounts of people who felt comfortable with their gender most of their lives, but eventually felt uncomfortable? [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45651543]Its actually seen as really unethical to try and force someone who is trans to adhere to their conflicting sex, and regularly causes a lot of anguish.[/QUOTE] I'd imagine it would require hormone treatment and therapy, which if done via coercion or force would be a form of torture. Very disturbing torture.

[QUOTE=Kardia;45651667]How can it be unchangeable if gender forms over time? You're saying at some point it solidifies but that seems like a claim that hasn't been tested. Surely their are accounts of people who felt comfortable with their gender most of their lives, but eventually felt uncomfortable? [/QUOTE] That is actually a very good inquiry. Unless they're truscum, most trans people believe undoubtedly that if you have gender dysphoria you're 100% trans, but that doesn't always manifest early on, nor is it necessary to be trans. And, well, this is going to sound weird, but I and many of my friends (and many of my friends' friends, etc) also believe that much like political lesbianism, being trans can be a political move - rejecting the concept of cisness or the gender binary.

[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;45651722]And, well, this is going to sound weird, but I and many of my friends (and many of my friends' friends, etc) also believe that much like political lesbianism, being trans can be a political move - rejecting the concept of cisness or the gender binary.[/QUOTE] Some trans will likely see that as a spit in the face, using surgery for political reasons as opposed to gender dysphoria. But it would be a powerful socio-political statement. It is an unusual thing to do for political reasons, but it makes sense.

[QUOTE=Kardia;45651881]Some trans will likely see that as a spit in the face, using surgery for political reasons as opposed to gender dysphoria. But it would be a powerful socio-political statement. It is an unusual thing to do for political reasons, but it makes sense.[/QUOTE] I would just like to clarify that I wasn't talking about surgery. I was just talking about being trans.

[QUOTE=Kardia;45651667]How can it be unchangeable if gender forms over time? You're saying at some point it solidifies but that seems like a claim that hasn't been tested. Surely there are accounts of people who felt comfortable with their gender most of their lives, but eventually felt uncomfortable?[/QUOTE]Actually, it has been tested, all be it that was not the original purpose of what was a very unethical test. See: John Money and David Reimer. Basically David Reimer's penis was accidentally destroyed when his parents had him circumcised. John Money was a doctor who stepped in and said David should undergo SRS and be raised as a girl, and that Money would study him, with the purpose of proving gender is a changeable concept. David's parents began raising him as a girl, Brenda Reimer, and he was put on hormones as well, though never informed of this. In spite of being unaware of what had happened and being raised solely as a girl and even forced by his parents to avoid masculine interests, David grew to reject the "Brenda" identity more and more, going through obvious mental anguish. Eventually when he was in his mid to late teens, his mother eventually broke down and admitted what had happened. Although David attempted to lead a normal life as a man, the anguish eventually caused him to commit suicide. John Money tried to pass the experiment off as a success, but analysis of his own research combined with additional research by third parties proved pretty much the exact opposite; not only did David never accept the Brenda identity, he actively fought against it. David pretty much exhibited the hallmarks of transgenderism. There have been other studies, and yeah, they've come to the conclusion that gender is genuinely just unchangeable. How often it expresses itself, and in quite what form, isn't always the same. Though research has shown that many become aware in some form by the age of 6-7.

you're all fucking idiots [highlight](User was banned for this post (""you're all fucking idiots"" - Swebonny))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Judas;45651940]you're all fucking idiots[/QUOTE] Thanks for letting us know.

[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;45651894]I would just like to clarify that I wasn't talking about surgery. I was just talking about being trans.[/QUOTE] Are you suggesting then, that some people [I]claim[/I] that they identify as an opposing gender for political reasons?

[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;45651618] Edit: Why the fuck am I getting rated dumb?[/QUOTE] People being "funny"

[QUOTE=Kardia;45651967]Are you suggesting then, that some people [I]claim[/I] that they identify as an opposing gender for political reasons?[/QUOTE] There is no opposite to any gender. You don't have to do much to be trans. All it takes is a declaration and some conviction. I can't tell you the number of people who are trans SOLELY as a political movement, but it's definitely a factor for being trans to many people. But like, being trans isn't this big thing. You don't need to be "convincing" to be trans, because saying you're trans should be convincing enough. There is no end goal for being trans, you don't need to transition, all that's necessary is for you to reject your being cis. If you claim to be trans, you are trans. If you claim to be a certain gender, you are that gender. It's honestly kind of insulting that you would say [I]claim[/I] like there are fake trans people.

Lol das gay. Maloney like dickonly.

[QUOTE=endorphinsam;45651499]most children grow this.. basic brain function at the age of 8 months. I see it's a bit late with you[/QUOTE] wow rude

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45652103]wow rude[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45651409]more like destroying your body and pumping yourself full of chemicals so you can tell yourself you are what you aren't[/QUOTE] fucking hypocrite

[QUOTE=Irockz;45652124]fucking hypocrite[/QUOTE] what is joke