Again: Pro-Clinton Polls Say she won the 2nd DemDebate; Internet says otherwise. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49121508]But you just responded with That's a very weird statement to make. As long as the next 4-8 years are chill and relaxed, I'll be fine. I mean whether Bernie or Hilary wins, I'll still be probably more interested in going to college, getting a job, and playing Video games like I've always done. I just don't want Trump to get in.[/QUOTE] And the complacency train keeps rolling.... It's ok agreeing with the outwardly angry seems crazy at first too. But one day you might find out that nothing you hear is true. Also moving to Canada is a good idea.

[QUOTE=old_hag12;49121516]And the complacency train keeps rolling.... It's ok agreeing with the outwardly angry seems crazy at first too. But one day you might find out that nothing you hear is true. Also moving to Canada is a good idea.[/QUOTE] I think I can chalk up a reason I don't like Bernie fan boys now. Pretentious posting and thinking an expensive immigration that requires certain pre-requisites is a good idea. No thanks pal, I'll stick with Chicago.

[QUOTE=old_hag12;49121516]And the complacency train keeps rolling.... It's ok agreeing with the outwardly angry seems crazy at first too. But one day you might find out that nothing you hear is true. Also moving to Canada is a good idea.[/QUOTE] It really is Ron Paul fever 2.0 [editline]15th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=old_hag12;49121489]You ever hear about people talking about brainwashing? What makes your life good? Ipads and Netflix? It's harsh, but it's not your fault. [/QUOTE] Hahaha I mean how pretentious can you be

[QUOTE=RaxaHax;49121502]Citing polls where Sanders won by a confounding majority (95%? Seriously?) to show how other polls are biased is pretty damn goofy if you ask me.[/QUOTE] Was just about to say that, it smells like mega BS

If Bernie doesn't get the Dem nomination, I would hope that he'd just say, "Well, fuck it, I'm running as an independent, then, and if I win I'll work with my Congress as best as I can no matter what their party affiliation." There's always the chance he'd pick up votes from Republicans who don't want to vote for Trump but can't get themselves to vote for Clinton, plus the votes he'd earn from the strength of his own campaign. If Bernie runs against both Clinton and the GOP nominee (which very well could be Trump) in a three-way race, and his candidacy is a legit run for office and not a symbolic vote of dissatisfaction, I think a year out is too far out to predict the election.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49121630]If Bernie doesn't get the Dem nomination, I would hope that he'd just say, "Well, fuck it, I'm running as an independent, then, and if I win I'll work with my Congress as best as I can no matter what their party affiliation." There's always the chance he'd pick up votes from Republicans who don't want to vote for Trump but can't get themselves to vote for Clinton, plus the votes he'd earn from the strength of his own campaign. If Bernie runs against both Clinton and the GOP nominee (which very well could be Trump) in a three-way race, and his candidacy is a legit run for office and not a symbolic vote of dissatisfaction, I think a year out is too far out to predict the election.[/QUOTE] That doesn't really make sense. Moderate Republicans who won't vote for Clinton are going to vote for someone who is even farther left? All a Sanders independent run would do is suck voters away from Clinton.

Bernie needs to work on his foreign policy. He either needs to get really serious about non-interventionism or just go mainstream.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49121630]If Bernie doesn't get the Dem nomination, I would hope that he'd just say, "Well, fuck it, I'm running as an independent, then, and if I win I'll work with my Congress as best as I can no matter what their party affiliation." There's always the chance he'd pick up votes from Republicans who don't want to vote for Trump but can't get themselves to vote for Clinton, plus the votes he'd earn from the strength of his own campaign. If Bernie runs against both Clinton and the GOP nominee (which very well could be Trump) in a three-way race, and his candidacy is a legit run for office and not a symbolic vote of dissatisfaction, I think a year out is too far out to predict the election.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't matter if Bernie wanted to work with them because they wouldn't want to work with him. Not to mention the idea of a third party candidate taking the Presidency is a snow balls chance in hell.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49121718]Bernie needs to work on his foreign policy. He either needs to get really serious about non-interventionism or just go mainstream.[/QUOTE] Beats Hilary wanting to go to war with everyone.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49121630]If Bernie doesn't get the Dem nomination, I would hope that he'd just say, "Well, fuck it, I'm running as an independent, then, and if I win I'll work with my Congress as best as I can no matter what their party affiliation." There's always the chance he'd pick up votes from Republicans who don't want to vote for Trump but can't get themselves to vote for Clinton, plus the votes he'd earn from the strength of his own campaign. If Bernie runs against both Clinton and the GOP nominee (which very well could be Trump) in a three-way race, and his candidacy is a legit run for office and not a symbolic vote of dissatisfaction, I think a year out is too far out to predict the election.[/QUOTE] This would be a very bad thing, actually. While it's clear that Sanders has a ton of popular support, there's no chance that he could gain enough support to take the presidency without taking the Democratic nomination first. The majority of democrats will stick with their party as the safer bet. By running as independent, he would be robbing a notable percentage of the vote from the left, which would directly benefit the Republicans. Each vote that Sanders got would be a vote that Hillary didn't at that point. While I'm no fan of Hillary, I'd much rather see her at the helm than Trump or Carson. Hillary is slimy, but Trump is legitimately insane, and Carson is completely inept. I've prefer to stick with the predictable devil if it came right down to it. And that, unfortunately, is how politics in America work.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49121813]This would be a very bad thing, actually. While it's clear that Sanders has a ton of popular support, there's no chance that he could gain enough support to take the presidency without taking the Democratic nomination first. The majority of democrats will stick with their party as the safer bet. By running as independent, he would be robbing a notable percentage of the vote from the left, which would directly benefit the Republicans. Each vote that Sanders got would be a vote that Hillary didn't at that point. While I'm no fan of Hillary, I'd much rather see her at the helm than Trump or Carson. Hillary is slimy, but Trump is legitimately insane, and Carson is completely inept. I've prefer to stick with the predictable devil if it came right down to it. And that, unfortunately, is how politics in America work.[/QUOTE] Hillary Clinton is probably the most unpredictable candidate in the race. She says she's for campaign finance reform, but she accepts millions from large corporations, etc.

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49121860]Hillary Clinton is probably the most unpredictable candidate in the race. She says she's for campaign finance reform, but she accepts millions from large corporations, etc.[/QUOTE] She says whatever the hells popular. Doesn't matter what it is, she has no principles, whether it be gay rights or war in iraq.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49121508]But you just responded with That's a very weird statement to make. As long as the next 4-8 years are chill and relaxed, I'll be fine. I mean whether Bernie or Hilary wins,[B] I'll still be probably more interested in going to college, getting a job, and playing Video games like I've always done.[/B] I just don't want Trump to get in.[/QUOTE] Have you left home yet?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49121884]She says whatever the hells popular. Doesn't matter what it is, she has no principles, whether it be gay rights or war in iraq.[/QUOTE] And that's what I hate. Clinton's words do not match up with her past and current actions, which makes her the least trustworthy candidate in the race. At least when Donald Trump says he's going to build a wall on the Mexican border, you know he's crazy enough to actually follow through on that. EDIT: Also the reason why Trump and Carson are so popular is because people are tired of scaly politicians. If Clinton wins the nomination, then we'll definitely be seeing a GOP president in 2016.

[QUOTE=smurfy;49121357]Ugh lost faith in this country, dumb people shouldn't be allowed to vote etc[/QUOTE] ugh im voting for trump even though he goes against everything bernie sanders stands for

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49121907]And that's what I hate. Clinton's words do not match up with her past and current actions, which makes her the least trustworthy candidate in the race. At least when Donald Trump says he's going to build a wall on the Mexican border, you know he's crazy enough to actually follow through on that. EDIT: Also the reason why Trump and Carson are so popular is because people are tired of scaly politicians. If Clinton wins the nomination, then we'll definitely be seeing a GOP president in 2016.[/QUOTE] A huge chunk of the sizable Bernie camp would never vote for Hilary.

This poll was run on behalf of Correct the Record. Which is Hilary's super-PAC...

I'm still in for Sanders completely. By now I've just accepted that having any minute amount of optimism or idealism is going to get me shat on by Republicans, the politically disinclined, people who are comfortable with the current system, and pro-establishment Democrats. I know the internet polls aren't reliable. I'm instead hoping that if Sanders can pull off a solid early victory in New Hampshire that it can turn the primary into a real battle, the way Santorum suddenly rallied in 2012 after Iowa. Unfortunately, with the general atmosphere of discouragement and "lol millennial" contempt I think a lot of young people, his most likely supporters, are just going to skip the primary season and vote for Hillary.

I wouldn't trust 'polls' from CorrectTheRecord in regards to shillary. [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11[/url]

Here is how I see it It is far too early to dismiss Bernie right now. The democratic primaries are coming up, and the only 2 people who have any chance of winning that are bernie and hillary. So if you like bernie, vote for him there. Even if he doesnt win, then it will be hillary in the main election anyways. And I believe that bernie wont alienate the right as much as you think. He has a much more sensible approach to gun control, for example. Also, you must keep in mind that many people wouldnt vote for hillary should she be the democratic candidate because she is slimy and so forth. She has her flaws as well

Doesnt matter what the internet says. Whats going to make or break him is the young vote. Spoiler: the young dont vote.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;49121749]Beats Hilary wanting to go to war with everyone.[/QUOTE] When did she say something like that?

[QUOTE=Code3Response;49122126] Spoiler: the young dont vote.[/QUOTE] Young people are more idealistic and left wing. They're less willing to vote because they're usually presented with 2 candidates that don't represent any of their views.

Lack of choice is a movement that started in the 80s and 90s, and it wasn't necessarily young. The machine has nearly whiped the debate off the map (constant public distraction). It's been coming back though after people started to ask why the economy crashed.

tbh I don't really care about these polls because from looking at several elections (08, scotland, and so-on.) they rarely mean anything. I'm just going to vote for him in my primary, and that's that. if he wins, great, if not, I'll likely end up having to vote for Hillary.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49121630]If Bernie doesn't get the Dem nomination, I would hope that he'd just say, "Well, fuck it, I'm running as an independent, then, and if I win I'll work with my Congress as best as I can no matter what their party affiliation." There's always the chance he'd pick up votes from Republicans who don't want to vote for Trump but can't get themselves to vote for Clinton, plus the votes he'd earn from the strength of his own campaign. If Bernie runs against both Clinton and the GOP nominee (which very well could be Trump) in a three-way race, and his candidacy is a legit run for office and not a symbolic vote of dissatisfaction, I think a year out is too far out to predict the election.[/QUOTE] a split liberal vote is the reason that bush jr. got voted into office in 2000, btw. bernie running as an independent would be handing the election to the right on a silver platter.

[QUOTE=AlexConnor;49121938]This poll was run on behalf of Correct the Record. Which is Hilary's super-PAC...[/QUOTE] - Super-PAC sees results, is shocked. "What do we do? This doesn't look good for Hillary, how can we fudge these numbers?" "We don't." "WHAT?!" "Publish them as they are, nobody takes internet polls seriously. People will suspect Bernie supporters of botting, and therefor will continue believing that Bernie is a loony sexist." "...By God, that is FUCKING brilliant."

[QUOTE=Antlerp;49121890]Have you left home yet?[/QUOTE] I don't have the cash to leave home. Is it that bad to still live with your parents? I'm 22 give me a fucking break. [editline]15th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=old_hag12;49122251]Lack of choice is a movement that started in the 80s and 90s, and it wasn't necessarily young. The machine has nearly whiped the debate off the map (constant public distraction). It's been coming back though after people started to ask why the economy crashed.[/QUOTE] The machine? Seriously, is your brain literally a bunch of coffee beans or something?

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;49122533]- Super-PAC sees results, is shocked. "What do we do? This doesn't look good for Hillary, how can we fudge these numbers?" "We don't." "WHAT?!" "Publish them as they are, nobody takes internet polls seriously. People will suspect Bernie supporters of botting, and therefor will continue believing that Bernie is a loony sexist." "...By God, that is FUCKING brilliant."[/QUOTE] Actually, no. Usually it's because they poll people 50 and older. Not 18-49.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49121474]I'm just saying, personally I'm not going to commit suicide/move to Canada if we have Clinton. I mean she has experience, she hopefully for the sake for good press won't try anything absolutely stupid. America will have it's first female president so it'll be historical.[/QUOTE] america's first female president, known for historically taking it dry whenever any unscrupulous corporation comes running to her with a sufficient wad of cash in hand what a precedent she'll set!