First living soldier to be awarded the MoH since Vietnam.
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[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;24757473]Then how many incidents of bravery does it require for a Medal of Honor?[/QUOTE]
The nation guards its highest tribute for valor jealously. In the Korean War only one hundred and thirty-three Medals of Honor were awarded, with 5,720,000 personnel engaged. Of the 16,112,566 armed forces engaged in World War II, only four hundred and sixty-four Medals of Honor were awarded. The Army reveres its Medal of Honor men, living and dead, above all others. A theater commander who later became President and a President who had formerly been an artillery captain both said that they would rather have the right to wear the Medal of Honor than be President of the United States.
There is every reason for the awe in which Medal of Honor men were held. Some of their exploits included such actions as:[list]
[*]had taken eight prisoners, killing four of the enemy in the process, while one arm and one leg were shattered and he could only crawl because the other leg had been blown off [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_R._Edwards][u](Edwards)[/u][/url]
[*]had captured a hundred and ten men, four machine guns, and four howitzers ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._Mallon][u]Mallon[/u][/url] and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_G._Gumpertz][u]Gumpertz[/u][/url])
[*]wounded five times, dragged himself across the direct fire of three enemy machine guns to pull two of his wounded men to safety amid sixty-nine dead and two hundred and three casualties [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_M._Holderman][u](Holderman)[/u][/url]
[*]singly destroyed a fourteen-men enemy ambush of his battalion and, in subsequent actions, with his legs mangled by enemy grenade and shot through the chest, died taking a charge of eight enemy riflemen, killing them [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Baker_(soldier)][u](Baker)[/u][/url]
[*]held up his battalion's flank against advancing enemy platoons, used up two hundred rounds of ammunition, crawled twenty yards under direct fire to get more, only to be assailed by another platoon of the enemy, ultimately firing six hundred rounds, killing sixty and holding off all others to be one of twenty-three out of two hundred and forty to survive the action [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alton_W._Knappenberger][u](Knappenberger)[/u][/url]
[*]a defective phosphorus bomb exploding inside his plane, blinding and severely burning him, the radio operator scooped up the blazing bomb in his arms and, with incalculable difficulty, hurled it through the window [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_E._Erwin][u](Erwin)[/u][/url].[/list]
The medal of honor is literally the bad ass medal.
So he was playing on Veteran?
I'm waiting for the tea party nutjobs to right this off as a ploy by the White House to make Obama seemed concerned about the war when he's not, just like when he approved more resources committed to helping veterans with PDS Disorder a few months ago.
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;24758098]I'm waiting for the tea party nutjobs to right this off as a ploy by the White House to make Obama seemed concerned about the war when he's not, just like when he approved more resources committed to helping veterans with PDS Disorder a few months ago.[/QUOTE]
especially because Congress is the one who approves it
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24757438]Very brave man, but it doesn't seem like too big of a deal to earn a MoH. I mean, he deserves a medal, but not something that high for just one incident of bravery.[/QUOTE]
How else should you earn it?
[QUOTE=John-Fu;24756249]It came out in 2010 :downs:[/QUOTE]
what
[QUOTE=DarkWolf2;24757198]Now let's give this man his deserved medal as well.
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Dick_Winters_army.mil-2007-03-30-190253_%28cropped%29.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Funny you mention that, I've been building a brecourt map for a game, and doing a fair bit of research on it.
I don't know if it would be deserving of a medal of honor, it wasn't heroism, (well it was, but not in the same way) it was just sheer impressive small unit tactics. 13 soldiers essentially defeated 60+ germans and destroyed four howitzers, with only four deaths and a few injuries. Wish they could give him some other distinguishing medal. Not to mention the rest of his time in europe. Though to me, brecourt seems to be one of his most impressive feats.
I believe he got a bronze star, but hell, a medal of honor does seem kind of fitting. I think the medal of honor is given for distinguished acts of heroism.. short timeframe kind of stuff.
[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;24758040]So he was playing on Veteran?[/QUOTE]
Veteran is Call of Duty, not Medal of Honour.
[QUOTE=Vinze;24756651]"First living soldier to be awarded the MoH since Vietnam."
Hardly surprises me, most wars these days lacks the "H".
Still, I'm sure this guy deserved it, by all means.[/QUOTE]
What, and they had it in nam?
What about that guy who suppressed over 100 talibans while his team of 4 slowly died.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24771854]What, and they had it in nam?[/QUOTE]
[media] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdpQY_sCL7I[/url] [/media]
He was later awarded the Navy Cross (Basically the MoH/MoV in the Navy)
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[QUOTE=Tetsmega;24772006]What about that guy who suppressed over 100 talibans while his team of 4 slowly died.[/QUOTE]
He was awarded the Navy Cross cause he was a seal/land force I think...
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;24772006]What about that guy who suppressed over 100 talibans while his team of 4 slowly died.[/QUOTE]
His buddy got a Medal Of honor.
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[*]singly destroyed a fourteen-men enemy ambush of his battalion and, in subsequent actions, with his legs mangled by enemy grenade and shot through the chest, died taking a charge of eight enemy riflemen, killing them [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Baker_(soldier)][u](Baker)[/u][/url][/QUOTE]
"Without ammunition and with his own weapon battered to uselessness from hand-to-hand combat, he was carried about 50 yards to the rear by a comrade, who was then himself wounded. At this point Sgt. Baker refused to be moved any farther stating that he preferred to be left to die rather than risk the lives of any more of his friends. A short time later, at his request, he was placed in a sitting position against a small tree. Another comrade, withdrawing, offered assistance. Sgt. Baker refused, insisting that he be left alone and be given a soldier's pistol with its remaining 8 rounds of ammunition. When last seen alive, Sgt. Baker was propped against a tree, pistol in hand, calmly facing the foe. Later Sgt. Baker's body was found in the same position, gun empty, with 8 Japanese lying dead before him."
Holy fuck this guy was a fighter.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;24757792]The nation guards its highest tribute for valor jealously. In the Korean War only one hundred and thirty-three Medals of Honor were awarded, with 5,720,000 personnel engaged. Of the 16,112,566 armed forces engaged in World War II, only four hundred and sixty-four Medals of Honor were awarded. The Army reveres its Medal of Honor men, living and dead, above all others. A theater commander who later became President and a President who had formerly been an artillery captain both said that they would rather have the right to wear the Medal of Honor than be President of the United States.
There is every reason for the awe in which Medal of Honor men were held. Some of their exploits included such actions as:[list]
[*]had taken eight prisoners, killing four of the enemy in the process, while one arm and one leg were shattered and he could only crawl because the other leg had been blown off [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_R._Edwards][u](Edwards)[/u][/url]
[*]had captured a hundred and ten men, four machine guns, and four howitzers ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._Mallon][u]Mallon[/u][/url] and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_G._Gumpertz][u]Gumpertz[/u][/url])
[*]wounded five times, dragged himself across the direct fire of three enemy machine guns to pull two of his wounded men to safety amid sixty-nine dead and two hundred and three casualties [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_M._Holderman][u](Holderman)[/u][/url]
[*]singly destroyed a fourteen-men enemy ambush of his battalion and, in subsequent actions, with his legs mangled by enemy grenade and shot through the chest, died taking a charge of eight enemy riflemen, killing them [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Baker_(soldier)][u](Baker)[/u][/url]
[*]held up his battalion's flank against advancing enemy platoons, used up two hundred rounds of ammunition, crawled twenty yards under direct fire to get more, only to be assailed by another platoon of the enemy, ultimately firing six hundred rounds, killing sixty and holding off all others to be one of twenty-three out of two hundred and forty to survive the action [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alton_W._Knappenberger][u](Knappenberger)[/u][/url]
[*]a defective phosphorus bomb exploding inside his plane, blinding and severely burning him, the radio operator scooped up the blazing bomb in his arms and, with incalculable difficulty, hurled it through the window [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_E._Erwin][u](Erwin)[/u][/url].[/list][/QUOTE]
this is a good post, thank you
I'm glad to see that Business ExchangeTwitterDeliciousDiggFacebookLinkedInNewsvi nePropellerYahoo! BuzzPrint President Barack Obama is doing something nice for someone.
[QUOTE=imadaman;24757347]Good for him, that's about it I guess. Also good to the man he saved. Thumbs up for doing that.[/QUOTE]
I feel bad for posting this shit now. :sigh:
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;24757792]
[LIST]
[*]had taken eight prisoners, killing four of the enemy in the process, while one arm and one leg were shattered and he could only crawl because the other leg had been blown off [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_R._Edwards"][U](Edwards)[/U][/URL]
[*]had captured a hundred and ten men, four machine guns, and four howitzers ([URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._Mallon"][U]Mallon[/U][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_G._Gumpertz"][U]Gumpertz[/U][/URL])
[*]wounded five times, dragged himself across the direct fire of three enemy machine guns to pull two of his wounded men to safety amid sixty-nine dead and two hundred and three casualties [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_M._Holderman"][U](Holderman)[/U][/URL]
[*]singly destroyed a fourteen-men enemy ambush of his battalion and, in subsequent actions, with his legs mangled by enemy grenade and shot through the chest, died taking a charge of eight enemy riflemen, killing them [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Baker_(soldier)"][U](Baker)[/U][/URL]
[*]held up his battalion's flank against advancing enemy platoons, used up two hundred rounds of ammunition, crawled twenty yards under direct fire to get more, only to be assailed by another platoon of the enemy, ultimately firing six hundred rounds, killing sixty and holding off all others to be one of twenty-three out of two hundred and forty to survive the action [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alton_W._Knappenberger"][U](Knappenberger)[/U][/URL]
[*]a defective phosphorus bomb exploding inside his plane, blinding and severely burning him, the radio operator scooped up the blazing bomb in his arms and, with incalculable difficulty, hurled it through the window [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_E._Erwin"][U](Erwin)[/U][/URL].
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Don't forget that one fellow who killed fiddy men in Japan with his bare hands. :smug:
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[QUOTE=Tetsmega;24772006]What about that guy who suppressed over 100 talibans while his team of 4 slowly died.[/QUOTE]
What about our Royal Army? No matter what you do here, you rarely get medals. We had one guy, out of ammo, bayonet charge two AK-wielding Taliban, after shooting several more. One made the longest-distance rifle kill in history. What do they get? Media attention, and MAYBE a medal.
I guess due to our extreme training (trust me, we have some of the most professional training in the world), it's considered normal, hm?
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24776555]What about our Royal Army? No matter what you do here, you rarely get medals. We had one guy, out of ammo, bayonet charge two AK-wielding Taliban, after shooting several more. One made the longest-distance rifle kill in history. What do they get? Media attention, and MAYBE a medal.
I guess due to our extreme training (trust me, we have some of the most professional training in the world), it's considered normal, hm?[/QUOTE]
Boy your penis sure would look massive right now if it weren't for the fact that you're not even in the army.
Let's not forget Audie Murphy:
[quote] Rank and organization: Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army, Company B 15th Infantry, 3rd Infantry Division.
Place and date: Near Holtzwihr France, January 26, 1945.
Entered service at: Dallas, Texas. Birth: Hunt County, near Kingston, Texas, G.O. No. 65, August 9, 1944.
Citation: Second Lt. Murphy commanded Company B, which was attacked by six tanks and waves of infantry. 2d Lt. Murphy ordered his men to withdraw to a prepared position in a woods, while he remained forward at his command post and continued to give fire directions to the artillery by telephone. Behind him, to his right, one of our tank destroyers received a direct hit and began to burn. Its crew withdrew to the woods. 2d Lt. Murphy continued to direct artillery fire, which killed large numbers of the advancing enemy infantry. With the enemy tanks abreast of his position, 2d Lt. Murphy climbed on the burning tank destroyer, which was in danger of blowing up at any moment, and employed its .50 caliber machine gun against the enemy. He was alone and exposed to German fire from three sides, but his deadly fire killed dozens of Germans and caused their infantry attack to waver. The enemy tanks, losing infantry support, began to fall back. For an hour the Germans tried every available weapon to eliminate 2d Lt. Murphy, but he continued to hold his position and wiped out a squad that was trying to creep up unnoticed on his right flank. Germans reached as close as 10 yards, only to be mowed down by his fire. He received a leg wound, but ignored it and continued his single-handed fight until his ammunition was exhausted. He then made his way back to his company, refused medical attention, and organized the company in a counterattack, which forced the Germans to withdraw. His directing of artillery fire wiped out many of the enemy; he killed or wounded about 50. 2d Lt. Murphy's indomitable courage and his refusal to give an inch of ground saved his company from possible encirclement and destruction, and enabled it to hold the woods which had been the enemy's objective.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24776555]What about our Royal Army?[/QUOTE]
Because kings and queen are stupid hahahahahaha go freedom we're number 1 woo hoo go team USA 1776 Barrack Hussein Obama.
:3
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24776555]Don't forget that one fellow who killed fiddy men in Japan with his bare hands. :smug:
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What about our Royal Army? No matter what you do here, you rarely get medals. We had one guy, out of ammo, bayonet charge two AK-wielding Taliban, after shooting several more. One made the longest-distance rifle kill in history. What do they get? Media attention, and MAYBE a medal.
I guess due to our extreme training (trust me, we have some of the most professional training in the world), it's considered normal, hm?[/QUOTE]
neither of those are all that honorable
most people who received the medal of honor was because they protected their comrades from harm while injured.
people who didn't protect their comrades still killed more people than two people or one long sniper shot
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;24779729]neither of those are all that honorable
most people who received the medal of honor was because they protected their comrades from harm while injured.
people who didn't protect their comrades still killed more people than two people or one long sniper shot[/QUOTE]
I'd like to see any American soldier kill some 10 Taliban, then run into a hail of gunfire to bayonet 2 more without any support at all.
By the way, he bayonet-charged instead of retreating to save a wounded ally, so it's pretty damn honourable.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24783353]I'd like to see any American soldier kill some 10 Taliban, then run into a hail of gunfire to bayonet 2 more without any support at all.
By the way, he bayonet-charged instead of retreating to save a wounded ally, so it's pretty damn honourable.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.americanvalor.net/heroes/afghanistan"]source:[/URL]
[quote]Justo Baltasar
Bronze Star with Valor
WHAT THEY DID
The three-man sniper team, along with 10 U.S. Special Forces soldiers and French commandos, fought some 50 Taliban militants, killing about 20 of them and rescuing two wounded U.S. soldiers during Operation Bacha Strga. They were surrounded and ambushed at their reconnaissance position in the mountains of northeastern Afghanistan on Sept. 5, 2009.[/quote]
[quote]Lincoln Dockery
Silver Star
WHAT HE DID
Led another soldier up a rock incline and stormed the position of enemy fighters who had attacked his road-clearing patrol[/quote]
Now shut your fat fucking mouth. Every soldier who goes out on duty is honorable unless they do something to prove otherwise.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24783353]I'd like to see any American soldier kill some 10 Taliban, then run into a hail of gunfire to bayonet 2 more without any support at all.
By the way, he bayonet-charged instead of retreating to save a wounded ally, so it's pretty damn honourable.[/QUOTE]
You're right. Every British soldier is Captain Price whereas every American soldier cowers in fear and gets medals tossed at them. I'm glad you know the system so well.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;24772226][media] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdpQY_sCL7I[/url] [/media]
He was later awarded the Navy Cross (Basically the MoH/MoV in the Navy)
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He was awarded the Navy Cross cause he was a seal/land force I think...[/QUOTE]
hot damn one guy well shit
you sure showed me
all of that rape, murder, genocide, it instantly looks faint because a guy blew up a bridge.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24795286]hot damn one guy well shit
you sure showed me
all of that rape, murder, genocide, it instantly looks faint because a guy blew up a bridge.[/QUOTE]
:frogdowns:
[QUOTE=Sottalytober;24784856][URL="http://www.americanvalor.net/heroes/afghanistan"]source:[/URL]
Now shut your fat fucking mouth. Every soldier who goes out on duty is honorable unless they do something to prove otherwise.[/QUOTE]
that's kind of a dumb policy.
their job is to handle a gun and take orders and suddenly they've attained some higher status.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24771854]What, and they had it in nam?[/QUOTE]
Nahh, of course not 'nam's just as stupid as Iraq, Bosnia or Korea. I just talked about this individual soldier.
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