[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/world/americas/el-chapo-mexico-extradition-united-states.html[/url]
[quote]After long resisting requests from Washington, Mexico’s government is now actively considering extraditing Joaquín Guzmán Loera, the Mexican drug lord known as El Chapo, to the United States to face drug charges there, a Mexican official said Saturday.
The Mexican official, who confirmed media reports on the Mexican government’s new stance, said the process could take months as it went through the judicial system. Mr. Guzmán’s lawyers are expected to fight the extradition.[/quote]
[QUOTE=smurfy;49493130][url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/world/americas/el-chapo-mexico-extradition-united-states.html[/url][/QUOTE]
If the US is actively looking to extradite him, and Mexico is willing to assist, then it's pretty much guaranteed - unless there is some huge legal hurdle, it seems inevitable.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/08/world/americas/ap-lt-mexico-drug-lord-the-latest.html[/url]
According to this they are taking him back to the same prison he escaped from
Feels like the Mexican Government is just using him to get good publicity whenever they catch him
Or they just aren't using their brains
[quote]July 11th, 2015. For the second time, Guzman escapes from prison.
He escapes using a mile long tunnel that was 60 ft underground and had a motorcycle rigged to run the whole way.[/quote]
How is Mexico even a country?
[QUOTE=srobins;49494022]How is Mexico even a country?[/QUOTE]
Well tbh guzman didn't build the tunnel from the prison, he probably snuck in a cell phone through a brived guard ot something, then sent one of his goons his cells GPS coords. Goon then gets a few hundred people, they buy a property a mile away, then they get to digging. That's why he should be extradited to the US. He won't have nearly as much power here and he'll be put in a far more secure prison.
[QUOTE=Toro;49494324]Well tbh guzman didn't build the tunnel from the prison, he probably snuck in a cell phone through a brived guard ot something, then sent one of his goons his cells GPS coords. Goon then gets a few hundred people, they buy a property a mile away, then they get to digging. That's why he should be extradited to the US. He won't have nearly as much power here and he'll be put in a far more secure prison.[/QUOTE]
Yeah seriously, Mexico needs to get it's shit together or give their inmate to the big boys already.
CNN confirms he will be extradited.
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;49495082]CNN confirms he will be extradited.[/QUOTE]
He will be treated as a king, but will never get out of prison ever.
We already have our CIA and FBI almost jacking off cartel members who are informants. They will give Chapo the full reach around. He will get like steaks for information. No one will dare fuck with him, and he will run a sizable chunk of the prison he goes too.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49495859]He will be treated as a king, but will never get out of prison ever.
We already have our CIA and FBI almost jacking off cartel members who are informants. They will give Chapo the full reach around. He will get like steaks for information. No one will dare fuck with him, and he will run a sizable chunk of the prison he goes too.[/QUOTE]
i got a feeling he won't enjoy a U.S supermax prison
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49495859]He will be treated as a king, but will never get out of prison ever.
We already have our CIA and FBI almost jacking off cartel members who are informants. They will give Chapo the full reach around. He will get like steaks for information. No one will dare fuck with him, and he will run a sizable chunk of the prison he goes too.[/QUOTE]
Yep, a little king in his own 7 x 12 ft cell behind 2 metal doors that he'll spend 23.5/7 for the rest of his life in, sure sounds like a full luxury experience.
[QUOTE=Saturn V;49495935]i got a feeling he won't be that liked in a U.S supermax prison[/QUOTE]
We have an absurd amount of Mexicans in our jails, pretty sure its 2nd behind blacks. Whos gonna fuck with someone who could probably have your family killed?
[editline]9th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Toro;49495971]Yep, a little king in his own 7 x 12 ft cell behind 2 metal doors that he'll spend 23.5/7 for the rest of his life in, sure sounds like a full luxury experience.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, I dont mean a literal nice room, hes gonna be in a shitty cell, but the guards/fbi/cia will treat him like a king, hes extremely valuable as an informant and he aint going anywhere once he hits the USA. He will also make deals with them, and most likely get some nice food as its an easy as fuck request and realistic. He will always be working for himself and his little empire, so him being an informant wont be like 100% truthful, hes a smart criminal, he knows the game.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49496136]We have an absurd amount of Mexicans in our jails, pretty sure its 2nd behind blacks. Whos gonna fuck with someone who could probably have your family killed?[/QUOTE]
i dunno i just have this funny feeling that his contact with the outside world will be pretty nonexistent
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49496136]We have an absurd amount of Mexicans in our jails, pretty sure its 2nd behind blacks. Whos gonna fuck with someone who could probably have your family killed?
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Guzman doesn't have nearly as much power in the US, plus I'm pretty sure everything that goes in and out of ADX gets searched for contraband. Theres no way he could steal a cell phone from a guard because the facility bans all mobile phones, it would be a miracle for him to get a cell phone, let alone organize people to kill somebodies family.
Not like he'd have a chance to fuck with somebody or get fucked with anyway, He'll be put in Z-Unit with Thomas Silverstein and the other Cartel leaders.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49496136]
Well yeah, I dont mean a literal nice room, hes gonna be in a shitty cell, but the guards/fbi/cia will treat him like a king, hes extremely valuable as an informant and he aint going anywhere once he hits the USA. He will also make deals with them, and most likely get some nice food as its an easy as fuck request and realistic. He will always be working for himself and his little empire, so him being an informant wont be like 100% truthful, hes a smart criminal, he knows the game.[/QUOTE]
This isn't really a super great thing to say, but I don't see the CIA becoming all nice to the worlds most wanted drug lord when they know that torture is probably cheaper and works as good (as long as people don't find out.)
[QUOTE=Toro;49496217]Guzman doesn't have nearly as much power in the US, plus I'm pretty sure everything that goes in and out of ADX gets searched for contraband. Theres no way he could steal a cell phone from a guard because the facility bans all mobile phones, it would be a miracle for him to get a cell phone, let alone organize people to kill somebodies family.
Not like he'd have a chance to fuck with somebody or get fucked with anyway, He'll be put in Z-Unit with Thomas Silverstein and the other Cartel leaders.
This isn't really a super great thing to say, but I don't see the CIA becoming all nice to the worlds most wanted drug lord when they know that torture is probably cheaper and works as good (as long as people don't find out.)[/QUOTE]
I wish I had my sources and wasnt sound like im pulling shit out of my ass, but the CIA is extremely "nice" to some American cartel members becuase they are informants.
Random nobodies get easy contraband like phones/cigs in prisons all the time. Let alone a druglord.
He does have a lot of power in the USA, the Mexican cartel is here, a lot of drugs, especially opiates, are mostly from Mexico in the USA. Hes a drug king pin, and like I said, USA has a lot of mexican criminals. Torture probably wouldnt work on someone like him, and trust me, torturing him would quickly garner attention, he isnt some nobody, it wouldnt be easy to hide and he would be loud about it.
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Random nobodies get easy contraband like phones/cigs in prisons all the time. Let alone a druglord.
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Yeah, in standard prisons, which ADX is not. Its pretty hard to get a phone when everything (probably including guards) that goes in and out of ADX is inspected and wanded for contraband / messages / other things, and any phone that can be held in 1 hand isn't allowed on the property.
ADX already has 3 other Cartel leaders (Haji Bagcho, Taliban; Juan Abrego, Gulf Cartel; Osiel Guillen, Gulf Cartel), I don't see how Guzman is any different from them.
[QUOTE=Toro;49496965]Yeah, in standard prisons, which ADX is not. Its pretty hard to get a phone when everything (probably including guards) that goes in and out of ADX is inspected and wanded for contraband / messages / other things, and any phone that can be held in 1 hand isn't allowed on the property.
ADX already has 3 other Cartel leaders (Haji Bagcho, Taliban; Juan Abrego, Gulf Cartel; Osiel Guillen, Gulf Cartel), I don't see how Guzman is any different from them.[/QUOTE]
I am pretty sure they would just use cryptic writing and messages which even basic prisons do. You dont need a phone to call the shots. They have forever to figure out how to be resourceful and its not like him getting caught shutdown his drug trade.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49496985]I am pretty sure they would just use cryptic writing and messages which even basic prisons do. You dont need a phone to call the shots. They have forever to figure out how to be resourceful and its not like him getting caught shutdown his drug trade.[/QUOTE]
i don't think he'll be allowed to have much contact with other inmates
Shame. He gained my respect after offering to take one for the team in regards to Trump.
Maybe he'll escape and get a chance to off the bastard still .. maybe
[QUOTE=>>oubliette<<;49497096]Shame. He gained my respect after offering to take one for the team in regards to Trump.
Maybe he'll escape and get a chance to off the bastard still .. maybe[/QUOTE]
escaping ADX will never happen
some guy who used to work there apparently described it as a cleaner version of hell
[QUOTE=Saturn V;49497075]i don't think he'll be allowed to have much contact with other inmates[/QUOTE]
Try and find HBO/Showcase prison documentary. You would be shocked at how resourceful these inmates are. Entire unknown languages, cryptic messages hidden in absurd ways, writing as small as a grain of sand hidden on like a string.
Im not talking like this dudes gonna run the prison, hes not at all, but hes gonna get in contact with people and still make decisions. He wont have direct contact, but he will spread messages. He will also actively be an informant, and I gotta assume hes not retarded and plays along but at the same time benefiting himself+drug empire. Hes in for life, his cell wont be glamorous, but he will be kept very safe since he will be a major informant.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49497130]Try and find HBO/Showcase prison documentary. You would be shocked at how resourceful these inmates are. Entire unknown languages, cryptic messages hidden in absurd ways, writing as small as a grain of sand hidden on like a string.
Im not talking like this dudes gonna run the prison, hes not at all, but hes gonna get in contact with people and still make decisions. He wont have direct contact, but he will spread messages. He will also actively be an informant, and I gotta assume hes not retarded and plays along but at the same time benefiting himself+drug empire. Hes in for life, his cell wont be glamorous, but he will be kept very safe since he will be a major informant.[/QUOTE]
ADX Florence is a supermax prison, though.
[QUOTE=Saturn V;49497156]ADX Florence is a supermax prison, though.[/QUOTE]
That just means more time to figure out those cryptic things and how to communicate. Most of those docs on HBO are usually like supermax tier and hardcore. Communication will happen regularly, its just, hes never getting out. Its not gonna be easy, but it will happen. He wont be like running the fucking show, he wont be the shit, but hes still gonna have control.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49497174]That just means more time to figure out those cryptic things and how to communicate. Most of those docs on HBO are usually supermax and hardcore. Communication will happen regularly, its just, hes never getting out. Its not gonna be easy, but it will happen.[/QUOTE]
I have my doubts on that.
If any messaging ever happens to occur, it sure as hell will not be precise in any way
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49497130]Try and find HBO/Showcase prison documentary. You would be shocked at how resourceful these inmates are. Entire unknown languages, cryptic messages hidden in absurd ways, writing as small as a grain of sand hidden on like a string.
Im not talking like this dudes gonna run the prison, hes not at all, but hes gonna get in contact with people and still make decisions. He wont have direct contact, but he will spread messages. He will also actively be an informant, and I gotta assume hes not retarded and plays along but at the same time benefiting himself+drug empire. Hes in for life, his cell wont be glamorous, but he will be kept very safe since he will be a major informant.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you have any idea how tough ADX is, you should do some research on it, I'm almost certain there's no other prison as impossible to get out of as that one.
[QUOTE=ZombieWaffle;49497199]I don't think you have any idea how tough ADX is, you should do some research on it, I'm almost certain there's no other prison as impossible to get out of as that one.[/QUOTE]
ill check it out then, maybe it is. Its just, some of the shit ive seen on those docs are unreal and id be surprised if they couldnt figure out how to spread communication.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM854gQJi7s[/media]
23 hours of isolation per day and one 15 minute phone call (monitored fucking deffo) per month
[QUOTE=Saturn V;49497212][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM854gQJi7s[/media]
23 hours of isolation per day and one 15 minute phone call (monitored fucking deffo) per month[/QUOTE]
Okay watched a 60 minutes video about it and this.
Ill take back a lot of what I said. 60 minutes was like "only 2 murders" in the span of like 10 years, thats insanely tiny for a prison filled with the worst. BUT, they do get writing paper apparently, and envelopes so I am sure some communication happens, but very litle. That said, seems pretty unreal. Didnt realize this was the place for people like the Unabomber for the WTC bomber.
[QUOTE=ZombieWaffle;49497199]I don't think you have any idea how tough ADX is, you should do some research on it, I'm almost certain there's no other prison as impossible to get out of as that one.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dolphin_Prison"]Perhaps a contender?[/URL]
[QUOTE=Saturn V;49497102]escaping ADX will never happen
some guy who used to work there apparently described it as a cleaner version of hell[/QUOTE]
Pretty much spot on, place is apparently quiet as fuck, the Z-unit cells have no light in them, no window, are sound isolated, have straps to strap inmates down in the beds, and you spend 24 hours a day in them, I'd consider that worse than hell.
This isn't counting there not so great record with punishments (ADX solved a guy hunger striking by strapping him down and force feeding him).
Yeah I think I'll rather die than go to ADX holy shit.
Can't say I feel sorry for the dude though.
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