Germany is building a European army before your very eyes
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Of course they would make it English so they could communicate with American Troops without problems as well. Have you ever heard your common German/Austrian speak english? :v:
Ze pronaunziation iz hard
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;45668489]Probably the same way pilots do- everybody would learn a reasonable amount of the 'European army language' (likely English, French or German since those are the most prevalent/ similar-to-others languages), and communicate in that. Battalions, I expect, would likely be made of people of the same nationality or at least language[/QUOTE]
My best guess is that they'll push it trough multinational european battlegroups which already train together heavily and have been essentially forced to adopt unified languages as well as command chains.
There's what? 20 of those already?
[QUOTE=headshotter;45669266]Wouldn't it be more logical to have European nations build up better armies individually and use the already existing european military cooperation rather than having an "european army". This is another step forward a federalized European Union and that's not a good thing.
Once again, Europe needs to work with the nations, not against them.[/QUOTE]
But nobody in the EU wants to contribute militarily and would rather have the US deal with their problems.
for fuck sake not again
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;45669295]But nobody in the EU wants to contribute militarily and would rather have the US deal with their problems.[/QUOTE]
Germany doesn't trust the US though.
And not all actions in european interests are in american interests or vica versa.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;45667932]Uh
So it's an opinion piece with Christian bias, basically.
Not to belittle the points made, but I'd like to see a similar analysis from a more reputable news source before I consider anything in this piece seriously.[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm seeing here... There's a lot of rhetoric in the Christian community about a united Europe being a sign of the "end times," the apocalyptic ending of the world. For some reason, a lot of Christians seem to want to rush that.
Presenting this joint military partnership as a step toward a European army, at least in the Apocryphal Christian community, makes it seem like those "end times" are closer than they are. It's just another man with a foreboding sandwichboard around his neck, only the man's a church, and the sign's a newspaper.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;45669150]Germany seems like the only competent country in the EU. They've lost two World Wars terribly and been split up by the Cold War, only reuniting some 20 years ago, and they're [b]again[/b] the strongest EU country.[/QUOTE]
They're also the country that got the majority of US money after war. Basically with Germany, you're looking at a highly populous country, that was heavily industrialised and was built up as a bullwark against the soviets.
In a lot of ways, other CE countries aren't all that different and they follow similar development models - look at V4 countries which share a similar area and similarly minded economies.
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[QUOTE=headshotter;45669266]Wouldn't it be more logical to have European nations build up better armies individually and use the already existing european military cooperation rather than having an "european army". This is another step forward a federalized European Union and that's not a good thing.
Once again, Europe needs to work with the nations, not against them.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Europe doesn't need larger militaries. What European countries need though is better efficiency - cooperation and the pooling of resources is such a way. For instant transport craft or navies are great examples.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;45669295]But nobody in the EU wants to contribute militarily and would rather have the US deal with their problems.[/QUOTE]
What problems?
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;45669295]But nobody in the EU wants to contribute militarily and would rather have the US deal with their problems.[/QUOTE]
I don't think developping an European Army is a solution though. NATO is here to help solve international affairs already. Besides everyone acts like the EU is going to stay as it is for the years to come, what I'm seeing is an euroscepticism growing strong and at least three of the Europe's "big ones" on the verge of reviewing their position inside the EU (UK, France, Italy). What if one of said countries leaved? This could prove challenging to maintain an EU Army without, say, France.
Building an European Army would only work if the EU was federalized and stable for long enough. I don't see that happening anytime soon, in fact it's more of the opposite.
Well, when our forces are combined, does that mean we automatically win because we're Captain Planet?
[QUOTE=wraithcat;45669402]What problems?[/QUOTE]
For as far as I can remember, the US has mobilized european armies far more than the opposite.
[QUOTE=headshotter;45669445]For as far as I can remember, the US has mobilized european armies far more than the opposite.[/QUOTE]
You mean providing transport for european units which act in scenarios as US allies? Or actually transporting EU units to scenarios where the US wasn't involved?
The first is true of course, the second not so much. Another significant problem is that the US has historically been trying to pave of their old boeing's to their EU allies who instead prefer to buy airbuses.
People need to remember that EU armies and the US army are completely different. The american army is essentially the army of an imperialistic power, acts as such and is used as such. EU armies on the other hand tend to be designed as reactive and defensive.
That's pretty much why I'm also asking the question - what problems. Eu militaries have been generally fully capable of dealing with problems they've been facing. They on the other hand have not been picking up US problems, because a lot of those problems exist due to US foreign policy and US policy considered those things to be problems which are to be dealt with. Problems EU nations faced tended to be far more local.
[QUOTE=booster;45668281]Eurasia when?[/QUOTE]
When the Russian Federation anexes everybody, I mean makes them part of the north eurasion treaty organization that is run by the Russian federation with express intent to protect ethnic Eurasians and keep the decadent west at bay NETO is wholey original and not ripping off anyone
well at least the eu has 26 years, 10 months, 10 days of preparation
(i'll let you work it out for yourself)
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45668494]If it's Germany making this, odds are it'll be German.[/QUOTE]
German was a pretty common language before the World Wars happened and people stopped using it because it was the "bad guy" language :v:
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;45669678]well at least the eu has 26 years, 10 months, 10 days of preparation
(i'll let you work it out for yourself)[/QUOTE]
I don't understand.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;45669402]They're also the country that got the majority of US money after war. Basically with Germany, you're looking at a highly populous country, that was heavily industrialised and was built up as a bullwark against the soviets. [/QUOTE]
Are you talking about the Marshall Plan? Per capita Germany got some of the least money, even the Netherlands got almost as much as Germany did. France and the UK (especially the UK) got much more.
[QUOTE=Kentz;45668995]Germanophile[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45669051]germaboo if it is about specifically germans
naziboo if it is about exclusively nazis, or as a derogatory term for the first term[/QUOTE]
No, it's Wehraboo :v:
Relevant, "Third time's the charm"
[img]http://i.imgur.com/yi4ERlD.png?1[/img]
:v:
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;45669678]well at least the eu has 26 years, 10 months, 10 days of preparation
(i'll let you work it out for yourself)[/QUOTE]
Crusader Kings?
[QUOTE=Griffalo;45670151]I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
basically the 100th anniversary of the invasion of russia by germany lol sorry my shitty humour
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[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45670742]Crusader Kings?[/QUOTE]
see above
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;45671108]basically the 100th anniversary of the invasion of russia lol sorry my shitty humour[/QUOTE]
Why would a European force invade Russia?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45670164]No, it's Wehraboo :v:[/QUOTE]
mein fraufu :^) :^)
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[QUOTE=Griffalo;45671138]Why would a European force invade Russia?[/QUOTE]
because germany dominates eu and the title of this article is basically synonymous for rearmament therefore playing on old stereotypes of germans being nazis and invading past enemies when they get the chance
at this point i regret making that post with all of this explaining
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45668558]Why would they hurt turkey though?[/QUOTE]
That's probably depicting our future doing. I can guarantee you that 75% of us still haven't let go of old grudges.
[QUOTE=booster;45668281]Eurasia when?[/QUOTE]
I just realised that Orwell predicted the UK being hesitant to join the EU all the back in [I]1949[/I].
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[QUOTE=demoguy08;45668083]Doesn't sound much like a European army at all. Cooperation like this has been going on all over Europe for a long time.[/QUOTE]
Europe has had multinational training facilities (the centers of excellency) for a while now, and I know for a fact that a few of my country's soldiers train in Germany
It'd make sense for the base military language to be English, not only because it's the most spoken of the secondary languages in Europe, but because the entire world, as well as other organizations in the world are likely going to use English to communicate with you. Language barriers wouldn't be a problem. HOWEVER, what I definitely want to see is optional (read: highly encouraged) in-depth courses for most, if not all, European languages, as well as supplemental courses for more exotic languages to aid communicating in foreign theaters of war. This would not only eventually ease communications between individual soldiers and higher command, but also the constituent nations themselves - it would actually be a huge step in raising the figurative bar of standardized education in Europe that much higher, as I like to imagine. That's just me though, and what I hope to see. I very much want Europe to maintain a course of focusing more on scientific and intellectual pursuits. Just imagine a "average Eurojoe" with a solid grasp of, say, 5 languages attained thanks to professional schooling and time served in the military. Educated and disciplined.
[QUOTE=The Combine;45669281]Of course they would make it English so they could communicate with American Troops without problems as well. Have you ever heard your common German/Austrian speak english? :v:
Ze pronaunziation iz hard[/QUOTE]An example, since you're Austrian:
Say "squirrel" without having an epileptic fit in your mouth-parts.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45668712]Spanish is Spain's [B]second[/B] language
interesting....[/QUOTE]
"languages people can speak which are not their mother language"
literally in the image.
The most popular language that is not the native tongue in Spain, is English.
Next is Spanish, so yes a lot of people emigrate to Spain, but a lot more Spanish people learn English as well.
This is a good idea.
I really like Germany, although I can't say the same for Japan. I hope they keep absorbing other militaries, it would make them more accountable.
[QUOTE=Griffalo;45671138]Why would a European force invade Russia?[/QUOTE]
Lebensraum, of course
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