• Hostage situation taking place now in Orlando. [50+ dead, suspect killed]
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[QUOTE=New Cidem;50501983]You act as if nobody has ever used a mass shooting to push an agenda.[/QUOTE] Honestly, that's usually gun control groups. Which if they even try to open their mouths right now, I'm sure people will probably call them out on their shit and tell them to fuck off and have some common decency.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;50501675]Clubs are already [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_massacre"]well-known hot-spots[/URL] for criminal activity and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stage_Club_bombing"]terrorism[/URL] so it isn't really a "loophole" or anything like that. Their door security (entrance) should have prevented this.[/QUOTE] Call this hearsay, but I saw some comments saying the bouncer had a ccw and supposedly exchanged fire with the suspect. Could've explained the early reports of multiple shooters. No clue if there's any truth to it, haven't seen anything in the news articles yet
[QUOTE=Fangz;50502003]I had a friend who was there who literally had to break down a wall to escape. Thankfully he and the friends he was with are currently safe.[/QUOTE] Glad to hear. If he ever has survivor remorse, just let him know that he directly saved the lives of those around him, and possibly allowed everyone to have another escape route.
[media]https://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/742019725765582848[/media]
[QUOTE=Jordax;50501889]The first /r/ news thread was locked down the moment of the FBI interview where they said that the perpetrator had leanings toward radical Islamism. They are still in complete lockdown mode. It's like the dumb fucks never heard of the Streisand effect. [IMG]https://i.sli.mg/KUPWgo.jpg[/IMG] And that in the face of the worst spree shooting in the United States ever. 20 deaths were already a lot, but 50+ deaths, holy fuck. EDIT Notification: /r/ news lockdown ended around 10 minutes ago. Still a bloody poor show of integrity and free speech.[/QUOTE] Well, what did you say?
[QUOTE=scriminamp;50501964]Everyone's so focused on identity politics that they look over the fact that one shooter was able to hit over 100 people (50 being dead, the other 53 injured). Bodycounts from lone shooters are rarely this high. There's something really fishy about this.[/QUOTE] A gay nightclub in Montreal was burned to the ground in the '70s sometime and the lack of exits led to more than 60 people dying. Nightclubs have a lot of people in a very confined space and often have very few exits.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50502009]Honestly, that's usually gun control groups. Which if they even try to open their mouths right now, I'm sure people will probably call them out on their shit and tell them to fuck off and have some common decency.[/QUOTE] idk man, gun advocate groups usually start screeching about "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun". It's not just "the loony left" doing this shit. Gun rights advocates will happily hop into this argument proclaiming that it wouldn't have happened if someone in the crowd had a gun too. It totally would have though, as the gunman caught everyone by surprise, and firing even defensively into a crowd is fucking moronic. Let alone the fact you're around alcohol, and shouldn't even have a gun in the first place.
parents are already saying the parents should be throw in jail also for being Muslim. Jesus christ its amazing how blatantly racist and xenophobic people are while proudly stating how fair and equal their country is.
[QUOTE=warneccruid;50501620]Just in 50 Killed 53 Injured on the conference[/QUOTE]Wow, this dude actually beat the number of the Virginia Tech shooting.
[quote]A law enforcement source told CNN that Mateen worked as a private security guard. He rented a car and drove to Orlando to carry out the attack, the source said. FBI teams and local law enforcement are working to clear Mateen's apartment, a federal law enforcement source said. Agents are going through the apartment with bomb squads and investigating the materials there, the source said.[/quote] [url]http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html?eref=rss_topstories[/url]
[QUOTE=Killuah;50502019][media]https://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/742019725765582848[/media][/QUOTE] If that's true then the media is going to have a field day villifying people.
[url]https://twitter.com/igorvolsky[/url] Calling out politicians who take money from the NRA and are tweeting in support of this.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50502033]Several states (I can't vouch for all) actually ban CCW in places where alcohol is served. Furthermore carry of a weapon while under the influence is also illegal in most states.[/QUOTE] Much like vehicles, you really should be denied the use of anything that dangerous when inebriated, and in establishments that serve drugs like alcohol (or stronger in the future, depending how legislation changes). It's just a massive risk that anybody should be able to identify. This is one of the few cases where arguing for lax gun control isn't going to actually make sense. God knows how much worse this could have been if CCW holders who'd been drinking were allowed to carry during the attack.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50502019]Loading Tweet... [URL]https://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/742019725765582848[/URL] [/QUOTE] I can understand the concealed carry license, but wtf is a state firearms license?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50502024]idk man, gun advocate groups usually start screeching about "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun". It's not just "the loony left" doing this shit. Gun rights advocates will happily hop into this argument proclaiming that it wouldn't have happened if someone in the crowd had a gun too. It totally would have though, as the gunman caught everyone by surprise, and firing even defensively into a crowd is fucking moronic. Let alone the fact you're around alcohol, and shouldn't even have a gun in the first place.[/QUOTE] There was a police officer working at the club that did have a gun and returned fire, probably why people got confused about there being multiple shooters. I would be surprised if Clinton didn't use this to push her left wing gun control policy.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;50502043]If that's true then the media is going to have a field day villifying people.[/QUOTE] Don't trust it yet, this stupid shit is the primary source: [url]http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/12/terrorist-omar-mateen-gay-nightclub-murder/[/url]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50502024]idk man, gun advocate groups usually start screeching about "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun". It's not just "the loony left" doing this shit. Gun rights advocates will happily hop into this argument proclaiming that it wouldn't have happened if someone in the crowd had a gun too. It totally would have though, as the gunman caught everyone by surprise, and firing even defensively into a crowd is fucking moronic. Let alone the fact you're around alcohol, and shouldn't even have a gun in the first place.[/QUOTE] Yeah but you can't say that since you can't go back in time and test it. A guy firing in self defense may have hit 10 people in the process as well as the shooter, it would have been a better outcome. But at the same time, you can't go back in time and remove the guy who fired in self defense and see if fewer people or more would have been shot My way of thinking is a guy firing at one person is better than a guy firing at everyone
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50502050]I can understand the concealed carry license, but wtf is a state firearms license?[/QUOTE] I guess it's just a general licence for having a gun at all?
[QUOTE=Killuah;50502019][media]https://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/742019725765582848[/media][/QUOTE] ThinkProgress and TMZ (the site they link too) aren't decent news sites. One is a celebrity gossip rag and the other will promote whatever regressive left news that fits their agenda. [b]Edit:[/b] Hell, Florida doesn't have a gun licensing system.
Returning fire at a shooter in a crowded nightclub would end up killing quite a few people. Anyone saying that a CCW would've helped in this situation is delusional.
[QUOTE=download;50502065]ThinkProgress and TMZ (the site they link too) aren't decent news sites. One is a celebrity gossip rag and the other will promote whatever regressive left news that fits their agenda. [b]Edit:[/b] Hell, Florida doesn't have a gun licensing system.[/QUOTE] You need a CCL to conceal carry in Florida. Not that it really matters when it comes to a loonie who's going to shoot up a place anyway. It's one of those laws that only works when people obey it. Kind of like all of them
[QUOTE=paul simon;50502064]I guess it's just a general licence for having a gun at all?[/QUOTE] Doesn't exist in florida
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50502058]Yeah but you can't say that since you can't go back in time and test it. A guy firing in self defense may have hit 10 people in the process as well as the shooter, it would have been a better outcome. But at the same time, you can't go back in time and remove the guy who fired in self defense and see if fewer people or more would have been shot My way of thinking is a guy firing at one person is better than a guy firing at everyone[/QUOTE] A guy firing at one person in a panicked, likely drunk off their ass, crowd who aren't going to be certain of who is or is not the attacker and defender, who will be trying to get out (I can't really see the shooter being in a place other than the main exits as people will filter that way naturally), who themselves may also have been drinking. Let alone the fact that clubs are hardly lit well. So target acquisition is going to be a right party even sober. Yeah. I'm pretty safe in saying it wouldn't have ended well.
The backlash from this is going to be pretty bad. Some sikh might even get attacked because of this like the one in the UK
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50502078]A guy firing at one person in a panicked, likely drunk off their ass, crowd who aren't going to be certain of who is or is not the attacker and defender, who will be trying to get out (I can't really see the shooter being in a place other than the main exits as people will filter that way naturally), who themselves may also have been drinking. Let alone the fact that clubs are hardly lit well. So target acquisition is going to be a right party even sober. Yeah. I'm pretty safe in saying it wouldn't have ended well.[/QUOTE] No it wouldn't have ended well, but it couldn't have ended any worse than it did
[QUOTE=Killuah;50502053]Don't trust it yet, this stupid shit is the primary source: [url]http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/12/terrorist-omar-mateen-gay-nightclub-murder/[/url][/QUOTE] TMZ... That trash. But according to that asshole twitter account Sir Whoopsalot posted, someone is already trying regardless.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50502075]You need a CCL to conceal carry in Florida. Not that it really matters when it comes to a loonie who's going to shoot up a place anyway. It's one of those laws that only works when people obey it. Kind of like all of them[/QUOTE] Fairly certain there is no Florida State Firearms License. Have a few family friends with handguns and ARs there, and I don't recall ever hearing of one. State fiearms licenses are a different thing than CCL, usually. One is required to own all together, one is required to conceal.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50502075]You need a CCL to conceal carry in Florida. Not that it really matters when it comes to a loonie who's going to shoot up a place anyway. It's one of those laws that only works when people obey it. Kind of like all of them[/QUOTE] And the rag site says he had a CCL [I]and[/I] a state firearms licence. Not such thing as a Florida firearms licence which makes me think they're talking out their ass.
Minor changes could have large impact because of the butterfly effect, but the reality is that we simply don't know how this situation could have been changed had there been other people with guns in the building.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50502050]I can understand the concealed carry license, but wtf is a state firearms license?[/QUOTE] It's a licence most states require in order to purchase handguns and black rifles. The licence is not a permit to own, you can have a gun without one, it's a permit to purchase from licensed dealers. So grandpa can give you his old shotgun as a gift without one, but if you want to buy a new pistol you need it.
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