• Hostage situation taking place now in Orlando. [50+ dead, suspect killed]
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[QUOTE=evilweazel;50502087]Fairly certain there is no Florida State Firearms License. State fiearms licenses are a different thing than CCL, usually. One is required to own all together, one is required to conceal.[/QUOTE] Oh, yeah quite a few states are like that. As long as you pass the background check (Which doesn't include mental health history [b]still[/b]) You can walk out in 10 minutes. If it's a handgun there's still a waiting period before you can actually take it home. But rifles and shotguns? No problemo
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50502082]No it wouldn't have ended well, but it couldn't have ended any worse than it did[/QUOTE] No it very well could have ended worse. I'm going to have to agree with hex, a CCW around alcohol is a bad idea, and in this case it really wouldn't have helped. Clubs are way too crowded for one to identify a target safely. This was basically the perfect target for that guy, lots of people who can't fight back and in a confined space making it hard, if not impossible, to escape.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50502096]It's a licence most states require in order to purchase handguns and black rifles. The licence is not a permit to own, you can have a gun without one, it's a permit to purchase from licensed dealers. So grandpa can give you his old shotgun as a gift without one, but if you want to buy a new pistol you need it.[/QUOTE] But we are talking about Florida, right? I didn't even know Florida has gun licenses to be honest with you.
Didn't that one singer girl also get murdered in Orlando? They haven't had a good week there.
Yeah. Unless the guy just happened to be standing next to the entrance when it happened, I don't think a CCW would have really helped. There are a few scenarios where it could have gone like that, theoretically, but it's reach to think that the people near the door weren't the first to go.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50502082]No it wouldn't have ended well, but it couldn't have ended any worse than it did[/QUOTE] ...yes it could? Say that your Bourne-tier CCW plant you envision does kill the shooter instantly, hitting a few civilians on the way. Amazing, probability is not in their favour given the scenario but amazing. The more likely outcome is they don't hit the shooter instantly, leading to some form of firefight as the shooter now knows someone wants to kill them and has the means. Desperation could lead to less controlled shooting from both parties, hitting more civilians. And even if the shooter dies, the defender still has a possibility of being gunned down the second the police see them. The likelihood of a CCW holder improving this situations is insignificant, life is not an action movie where you are the badass with the gun who pops some fuck between the eyes from 5 miles away with one shot.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50502121]But we are talking about Florida, right? I didn't even know Florida has gun licenses to be honest with you.[/QUOTE] Florida actually has stricter gun laws than some traditionally liberal states like Minnesota. They do have a permit to purchase, whomever wrote the artical mistook that as a permit to own.
[QUOTE=scriminamp;50501964]Everyone's so focused on identity politics that they look over the fact that one shooter was able to hit over 100 people (50 being dead, the other 53 injured). Bodycounts from lone shooters are rarely this high. There's something really fishy about this.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=hexpunK;50501988]Dude, a nightclub is generally a somewhat small building considering the stated capacities of them. I've been to maybe one or two where I could say, extend my arms without hitting another person, and that was due to me going out on a weekday. Over weekends these places are packed shoulder to shoulder normally. You've got a huge mass of people to hit, and that mass of people can't escape easily due to the nature of crowds in enclosed spaces.[/QUOTE] And then, there is also the problem in the case of panic breaking out in a nightclub (or rather in any building), that people run into the nearest hallway or other room they can get to.... Even when it is a dead end like the bathrooms in about 90% of all buildings. Given how much time elapsed between the start of the shooting and the death of the perpetrator, he could have went through all those dead end areas wherein everyone in those areas were practically sitting ducks. All around, a very horrid situation.
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[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;50501943]Ultra conservative Americans are probably super confused about this. On the one hand, it was possible Islamic terrorism, but on the other hand, a gay nightclub was attacked. Hopefully they get so confused about whether this is a good or bad thing to them that it knocks some sense into them.[/QUOTE] This is such a retarded statement. Coming from a catholic family who are literal Crusaders still, they think it's fucking tragic.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50502141]I've lived in 15 states, and never heard of a state firearms license. Even California doesn't practice that fuckery.[/QUOTE] Surely you remember the FOID card from Illinois? That would be considered a "state firearms license."
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50502150]Huh. I wonder how intensive the background check is. I'm willing to bet it's just "oh hey, no warrants for this guy".[/QUOTE] Because of federal jurisdiction states can only run background checks within their own state. That's what the NICS checkes are for, which are done every time a gun sold from a licensed dealer. They cover all 50 states and look for felonies, domestic violence charges, drug charges, forced institutionalisations, terrorist watch lists, and a slew other things. Because this guy was a natural born citizen and more than likely had no serious criminal record he would pass those background checks just fine.
[media]https://twitter.com/damianpaletta/status/742019782812241920[/media] So... When we going to wipe ISIS off the face of the planet?
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;50501943]Ultra conservative Americans are probably super confused about this. On the one hand, it was possible Islamic terrorism, but on the other hand, a gay nightclub was attacked. Hopefully they get so confused about whether this is a good or bad thing to them that it knocks some sense into them.[/QUOTE] This is so fucking disgusting to me. I'm a conservative and I'm pro gay rights. Fuck you dude. This is a terrible tragedy and you have the audacity to say that conservatives would think this is a good thing. You're a piece of shit. Fuck off. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - OvB))[/highlight]
Apparently he was on the FBI radar before. Huh. Probably late with that though.
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Having a CCL doesn't give you the right to carry guns everywhere. If guns were banned (as they should be at bars/clubs) at this establishment, then whether or not a CCL would have stopped this or the fact that the shooter had a CCL are moot, as both would be breaking the law anyway.
What's the deal with the gun control issues anyways? The Paris attacks and Charlie Hebdo happened with assault rifles and those are very heavily regulated in France and so they were brought in illegally. As far as CCW goes, if someone comes into Walmart with an AK47 and starts to shoot the place up while I'm shopping, I'm personally going to be hoping that there are many CCW holders present, because that's a better situation than everyone getting slaughtered like sheep running for the exits. Someone else having a CCW isn't going to prevent you from trying to run for safety like you would be trying to do regardless. I'd rather have the risk of getting shot by a stray bullet from someone trying to intervene than being in a group of helpless people possibly trapped without escape.
Apparently, one of the responding LEOs got hit in the helmet by the shooter. I'm amazed it stopped the round. [Media]https://twitter.com/OrlandoPolice/status/742009920808210432[/media] I live in Melbourne, FL, about 45 minutes from Orlando. Pretty scary such a big mass shooting happened so close. I hope the injured recover fully.
[QUOTE=OvB;50502202]Having a CCL doesn't give you the right to carry guns everywhere. If guns were banned (as they should be at bars/clubs) at this establishment, then whether or not a CCL would have stopped this or the fact that the shooter had a CCL are moot, as both would be breaking the law anyway.[/QUOTE] Anyone who knows me on the forums here over the years knows I love my guns, and this right here is 100% correct. Booze and guns don't mix, and even if there was someone sober in there with a gun there's not a whole lot he could have done to stop it.
I'm for CCW's but saying that they'll solve every shooting situation is completely asinine. This situation would've been greatly escalated if a CCW holder decided to try and shoot the shooter in a poorly lit, confused, and crowded nightclub.
As a Floridian, I'd have never thought we'd be targets of any sort of terrorist attack. It's jarring to see otherwise. It's like no place is safe from these degenerates. The only solace I can take is that my friends in Orlando are safe and weren't in the area at the time. Still, my heart goes out to the victims.
I wish guns were never invented.
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;50502237]I wish guns were never invented.[/QUOTE] People had no problems killing each other way before guns were invented buddy
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;50502237]I wish guns were never invented.[/QUOTE] And I wish we could all just get along.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;50502242]People had no problems killing each other way before guns were invented buddy[/QUOTE] Okay so he would have walked into that club with a bow and arrow and shot maybe 2 people before somebody grabbed or hit it out of his hands. With a knife it would be similar but he'd probably stab more since a knife is less noticeable.
[QUOTE=Jordax;50501889]The first /r/ news thread was locked down the moment of the FBI interview where they said that the perpetrator had leanings toward radical Islamism. They are still in complete lockdown mode. It's like the dumb fucks never heard of the Streisand effect. [IMG]https://i.sli.mg/KUPWgo.jpg[/IMG] And that in the face of the worst spree shooting in the United States ever. 20 deaths were already a lot, but 50+ deaths, holy fuck. EDIT Notification: /r/ news lockdown ended around 10 minutes ago. Still a bloody poor show of integrity and free speech.[/QUOTE] Apparently the admins have now disabled upvoting on r/the_donald
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;50502237]I wish guns were never invented.[/QUOTE] We'd be shooting each other with repeating crossbows instead
[QUOTE=Ajacks;50502214]What's the deal with the gun control issues anyways? The Paris attacks and Charlie Hebdo happened with assault rifles and those are very heavily regulated in France and so they were brought in illegally. As far as CCW goes, if someone comes into Walmart with an AK47 and starts to shoot the place up while I'm shopping, I'm personally going to be hoping that there are many CCW holders present, because that's a better situation than everyone getting slaughtered like sheep running for the exits. Someone else having a CCW isn't going to prevent you from trying to run for safety like you would be trying to do regardless. I'd rather have the risk of getting shot by a stray bullet from someone trying to intervene than being in a group of helpless people possibly trapped without escape.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between a Wal-Mart and a nightclub.
[QUOTE=Jordax;50501889]The first /r/ news thread was locked down the moment of the FBI interview where they said that the perpetrator had leanings toward radical Islamism. They are still in complete lockdown mode. It's like the dumb fucks never heard of the Streisand effect. [IMG]https://i.sli.mg/KUPWgo.jpg[/IMG] And that in the face of the worst spree shooting in the United States ever. 20 deaths were already a lot, but 50+ deaths, holy fuck. EDIT Notification: /r/ news lockdown ended around 10 minutes ago. Still a bloody poor show of integrity and free speech.[/QUOTE] No, it's still going on. I was just banned because I said the wrong thing. Reddit is such a fucking joke.
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