Hostage situation taking place now in Orlando. [50+ dead, suspect killed]
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[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50502135]Florida actually has stricter gun laws than some traditionally liberal states like Minnesota. They do have a permit to purchase, whomever wrote the artical mistook that as a permit to own.[/QUOTE]
Oh they do now? Florida you don't need a state license. Minnesota you do (Sheriff approved license. THis does not count as a conceal carry permit). IL you need to get a FOID, pass a test and pay $100 and wait about a month which if you're approved (They will turn you down for any reason they got), your license is good for a period of 10 years.
I live in Missouri now, which has very lax gun laws and is less restrictive than Florida in terms of conceal/open carry.
Im glad someone took a religiously fueled inncident and turning it into another "Oh its gun laws that are the problem!" escapade of back and forth bitching til it all gets swept up in 6 months til the next bullshit fear mongering episode comes back.
[QUOTE=dustyjo;50502258]No, it's still going on. I was just banned because I said the wrong thing. Reddit is such a fucking joke.[/QUOTE]
What was the "wrong thing"?
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;50502022]Well, what did you say?[/QUOTE]
Apparently the /r/ news thread is a complete comment graveyard [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4nql8f/orlando_nightclub_shooting_megathread/"]once more.[/URL]
Also some real fuckery going on at the Trump subreddit, apparently threads there cannot be upvoted anymore for whatever reason? [[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4nqw1t/we_dont_know_why_posts_on_this_sub_are_now_immune/"]1[/URL]] [[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4nqxdc/the_admins_seem_to_have_made_it_so_that_posts_on/"]2[/URL]]
What the hell is even the train of thought of the Reddit staff at the moment?
EDIT:
[QUOTE=Thlis;50502251]Apparently the admins have now disabled upvoting on r/the_donald[/QUOTE]
Well, ninja'ed on that one. So much for Reddit championing for free speech, it seems.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;50502255]There's a difference between a Wal-Mart and a nightclub.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't saying they should be carrying in a nightclub. Guns and alcohol are a horrible combination. I was just commenting on the effectiveness of possible results of CCW in mass shootings situations.
[QUOTE=dustyjo;50502258]No, it's still going on. I was just banned because I said the wrong thing. Reddit is such a fucking joke.[/QUOTE]
Everyone is getting banned. Literally everyone that posts in the megathread.
It's pretty detestable that r/news is censoring such a huge LGBT hate attack.
[QUOTE=paul simon;50502261]What was the "wrong thing"?[/QUOTE]
Probably acknowledging the fact that this attack was motivated by radical islamic ideology.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50502135]Florida actually has stricter gun laws than some traditionally liberal states like Minnesota. They do have a permit to purchase, whomever wrote the artical mistook that as a permit to own.[/QUOTE]
I hope you are talking about Minnesota having permit to purchase. No special permits or anything are required to purchase a firearm in Florida. Only thing that slows you down here is a 3 day hold on handguns unless you have concealed carry permit.
[QUOTE=Thlis;50502251]Apparently the admins have now disabled upvoting on r/the_donald[/QUOTE]
the custom style has just removed the vote buttons.
if the style is disabled, you'll still be able to vote.
[QUOTE=paul simon;50502261]What was the "wrong thing"?[/QUOTE]
If you even mention that the shooter was a muslim, or a radical, or anything similar, you get banned and your post deleted.
Someone even sent me an angry PM calling me a "cocksucker trump shill".
[QUOTE=Thlis;50502272]Probably acknowledging the [B]fact[/B] that this attack was motivated by radical islamic ideology.[/QUOTE]
Well it's not really a fact yet, is it.
I hope the body count keeping steady is indicative of the excellent response the authorities seem to have organised. They are [URL="http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/how-to-help-victims-after-worst-mass-shooting-in-u-s-history/index.html?sr=twCNN061216how-to-help-victims-after-worst-mass-shooting-in-u-s-history0417PMStoryLink&linkId=25465329"]looking for Type O Negative blood[/URL] so if any FPers are around that way maybe you can help out.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;50502048][url]https://twitter.com/igorvolsky[/url]
Calling out politicians who take money from the NRA and are tweeting in support of this.[/QUOTE]
There are victims still unidentified and people on both sides are already dipping their quills into the blood. This guy was so fast to make a hit list he probably doesn't realise he is doing the same thing the media does where victims are used as a tally and the focus is on the perp and ideology. He would get far more sympathy to his case if he focused on the terror the victims went through rather than a political hatchet jab to.. shame politicians and supporters? Has that ever worked?
He has succeeded anyway, people are frothing at the mouth blaming the GOP for this and not a word about the victims, it's all about homophobia and Republicans because that keeps food on his table.
Fucking state of America.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50502260]Oh they do now? Florida you don't need a state license. Minnesota you do (Sheriff approved license. THis does not count as a conceal carry permit). IL you need to get a FOID, pass a test and pay $100 and wait about a month which if you're approved (They will turn you down for any reason they got), your license is good for a period of 10 years.
I live in Missouri now, which has very lax gun laws and is less restrictive than Florida in terms of conceal/open carry.
Im glad someone took a religiously fueled inncident and turning it into another "Oh its gun laws that are the problem!" escapade of back and forth bitching til it all gets swept up in 6 months til the next bullshit fear mongering episode comes back.[/QUOTE]
In Florida you did need a permit to purchase handguns and assault rifles as of 4 years ago, and Minnesota the permit to purchase doesn't go through the sheriff, the carry permit does. My statements were for clarification of laws, I made no mention of why it's the laws fault.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50502197]The very second you convince congress that it's actually needed. But it's not. Even these attacks don't justify sending people back into the slaughterhouse that is the ME.
Are YOU willing to start a ground war that'll last another decade at least, and in the end not do a damn thing because we didn't stay for long enough for the people to deradicalize? Because I certainly am not.[/QUOTE]
I'd be willing to give further intelligence to the Iraqis, Syrians, Russians, and Kurds, while possibly resupplying the Iraqis and Kurds with weapons and food.
Hell, we could possibly form an organization which will send volunteers to aid the Iraqis in the ongoing ground war, or simply acting as a backbone for managing supplies and such. Another thing we can do is up our amount of bombing runs on ISIS-held areas, and dealing more severe blows on any of their movements.
I wonder if this asshole shooter even gave a single fuck about the negative effect this would have on other Muslims or even his own family.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50502284]In Florida you did need a permit to purchase handguns and assault rifles as of 4 years ago, and Minnesota the permit to purchase doesn't go through the sheriff, the carry permit does. My statements were for clarification of laws, I made no mention of why it's the laws fault.[/QUOTE]
No, no you do not need a state license in florida.
[IMG]http://puu.sh/pq6z3/7c7c713890.png[/IMG]
For source, I know one person in FL that has a fetish for mosin nagants and owns several firearms. I also know someone in minnesota who needed a sheriff to approve them in order to purchase a handgun.
[img]http://puu.sh/pq6N8/493ea418c7.png[/img] < FDLE Requirements for purchasing a handgun.
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[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;50502250]Okay so he would have walked into that club with a bow and arrow and shot maybe 2 people before somebody grabbed or hit it out of his hands. With a knife it would be similar but he'd probably stab more since a knife is less noticeable.[/QUOTE]
Or killed all three hundred people by leveling the building with a bomb. Or set the place on fire. Or bulldozed the place.
[editline]12th June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hanso;50502301]I wonder if this asshole shooter even gave a single fuck about the negative effect this would have on other Muslims or even his own family.[/QUOTE]
Doubt it. Religious extremists believe they're doing right by their religion.
[url=https://unreddit.com/r/news/comments/4nql8f/orlando_nightclub_shooting_megathread/]Link to Unreddit on the Nightclub Megathread[/url].
Holy shit, they are censoring even honest things like making prayers for those hurt or killed. Seriously, the Reddit staff needs to screw off. People are rightfully pissed off, but all they'll accomplish by censoring people is creating radicalization into the far-right. In otherwords, even though I hate the term, they are redpilling people into hating liberals and just stoking the fire.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50502184][media]https://twitter.com/damianpaletta/status/742019782812241920[/media]
So... When we going to wipe ISIS off the face of the planet?[/QUOTE]
Boy this is rich for a guy who complains about "war hawking" presidential candidates.
Wiping ISIS out by force is a futile task and you should fucking well know it if you claim to have a mote of the understanding of history you like to project. You kill them, all of them? Great, but in the process you've pissed off more locals who formed a new group to take their place in the new power vacuum. This is the nature of fighting terrorism via force.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50502319]With what budget and manpower? The military is suffering massive personnel cuts every budget cycle. How on earth are you going to be the logistical backbone of a massive ideological war with no people and no supplies?
In the end it comes down to: Do nothing (best idea), or full scale attack; enjoy your 30 year war.
Because that's the only thing that's actually truly going to change that area.[/QUOTE]
The only solution it seems is to reinforce our borders and actually make an organization which handles NCIS background checks properly, instead of just instantly marking them okay once they go through with no criminal history.
Outside of that, the only way we could realistically find these people is by discriminatory searches of certain races/religions, while also invading people's privacy to see what they are doing.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50502319]With what budget and manpower? The military is suffering massive personnel cuts every budget cycle. How on earth are you going to be the logistical backbone of a massive ideological war with no people and no supplies?
In the end it comes down to: Do nothing (best idea), or full scale attack; enjoy your 30 year war.
Because that's the only thing that's actually truly going to change that area.[/QUOTE]
What would doing nothing in the middle east accomplish? What happens when someone manages to fill the power vacuum that's left? What we need to do is show them that the west isn't evil and Wahhabism is.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50502337]Boy this is rich for a guy who complains about "war hawking" presidential candidates.
Wiping ISIS out by force is a futile task and you should fucking well know it if you claim to have a mote of the understand of history you like to project. You kill them, all of them? Great, but in the process you've pissed off more locals who formed a new group to take their place in the new power vacuum. This is the nature of fighting terrorism via force.[/QUOTE]
You can always fight terrorism through other methods, as I mentioned in one of my post by saying we could give more supplies to the Iraqis and Kurds. The only real method to win against ISIS, is have the local powers win against ISIS to increase their patriotism and support for the government.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50502316]You know what's bad, I talked about this a page ago, But instead of morning the victims, Trump Supporters want more of this to happen because after Paris, Trump got a Bump in Polling, The only problem of that logic, this is the General Election not the GOP Primaries. Yeah, they are already Fucked up.[/QUOTE]
You're not even trying are you.
[QUOTE=redBadger;50502366]Doesn't seem like there are any non violent ways to deal with Isis mate.[/QUOTE]
Yeah we should drop them chocolates and ignore them. They'll be okay with us living a life that isn't completely aligned with their way of life.
Not to advocate violence, something needs to be done with handling of them. Closing down our borders is out of line and difficult to do and will cause more uproar. Screening is impossible because of technological borders. Theres solutions, but some of it sadly is best dealt with our continued strikes against them overseas.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50502354]You can always fight terrorism through other methods, as I mentioned in one of my post by saying we could give more supplies to the Iraqis and Kurds. The only real method to win against ISIS, is have the local powers win against ISIS to increase their patriotism and support for the government.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't seem like there are any non violent ways to deal with Isis mate.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50502363]You're not even trying are you.[/QUOTE]
God dammit I am insensitive, sorry.
[QUOTE=Jordax;50502264]Apparently the /r/ news thread is a complete comment graveyard [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4nql8f/orlando_nightclub_shooting_megathread/"]once more.[/URL]
Also some real fuckery going on at the Trump subreddit, apparently threads there cannot be upvoted anymore for whatever reason? [[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4nqw1t/we_dont_know_why_posts_on_this_sub_are_now_immune/"]1[/URL]] [[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4nqxdc/the_admins_seem_to_have_made_it_so_that_posts_on/"]2[/URL]]
What the hell is even the train of thought of the Reddit staff at the moment?
EDIT:
Well, ninja'ed on that one. So much for Reddit championing for free speech, it seems.[/QUOTE]
It's a private site, if they want to turn a subreddit off, that's entirely their prerogative. Go shitpost on /pol/ if you need to suck Trump off right now.
I do not blame them in the slightest for fucking with /r/thedonald right now. The last thing the site needs is a bunch of morons who think "cuck" is the hottest new insult owning the entire landing page of a pretty fucking diverse site.
[QUOTE=Apache249;50502322]Or killed all three hundred people by leveling the building with a bomb. Or set the place on fire. Or bulldozed the place.[/QUOTE]
Nice straw man.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50502328][url=https://unreddit.com/r/news/comments/4nql8f/orlando_nightclub_shooting_megathread/]Link to Unreddit on the Nightclub Megathread[/url].
Holy shit, they are censoring even honest things like making prayers for those hurt or killed. Seriously, the Reddit staff needs to screw off. People are rightfully pissed off, but all they'll accomplish by censoring people is creating radicalization into the far-right. In otherwords, even though I hate the term, they are redpilling people into hating liberals and just stoking the fire.[/QUOTE]
They're in full lockdown after they were slammed rightfully by every media organization last time for allowing their users to speculate on the Bostom Bombers identities.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50502328][url=https://unreddit.com/r/news/comments/4nql8f/orlando_nightclub_shooting_megathread/]Link to Unreddit on the Nightclub Megathread[/url].
Holy shit, they are censoring even honest things like making prayers for those hurt or killed. Seriously, the Reddit staff needs to screw off. People are rightfully pissed off, but all they'll accomplish by censoring people is creating radicalization into the far-right. In otherwords, even though I hate the term, they are redpilling people into hating liberals and just stoking the fire.[/QUOTE]
Right now the only real place to get news on this is /r/AskReddit, strangely. The sticky post about it was deleted a few minutes ago for god knows what reason but it's back now.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50502184][media]https://twitter.com/damianpaletta/status/742019782812241920[/media]
So... When we going to wipe ISIS off the face of the planet?[/QUOTE]
Little do many people know that the Iraqis are retaking Fallujah and have majority of their country in their hands.
The Syrian Army is conducting an offense to an Airbase outside of Raqqa and advancing towards Dier Ezzor
The Kurds/SDF are about to liberate Manbij which is the 2nd biggest city ISIS controls in Syria after Raqqa as well they're making their own offensive towards Raqqa itself. ISIS is going to want to claim this attack if they can so they can remain relevant.
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