• The future of Europe: 3 scenarios
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how about let european union countries the ability to vote other countries out of the union at any time if 70% of the EU countries dont like you, you're kicked out of the union
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36347364]Please don't start a America is better hurr, Europe is better hurr argument.[/QUOTE] Hurr, My country on the moon is better. Silly earthlings
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36345520]I dont want the laws, taxes, business regulations etc of my city to be governed by a group of people that are in entirely different city and have probably never lived here for an extended period of time. You have all these cities from places as far away as London, determining things in say Yorkshire, who the hell are they to decide what goes on in Yorkshire when nobody in London has ever lived there?[/QUOTE] They speak English in London. Not well, but they speak it. [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Marbalo;36347417]I dont really see the reason for EU to exist if it creates so many problems.[/QUOTE] Ideologues.
[QUOTE=flagdog;36347205]Maybe because these countries are part of europe and the ultimate goal is to have all european nations in the european union and they were going to take measures to balance and improve the economies of these countries? [sp]Something they didn't do right in the end[/sp][/QUOTE] The EU had no reason to give inferior economies a strong currency like that. The Euro should have been restricted to mature, rich, and stable economies like France, Germany, and a few others.
Everythings fucked lets go party on the moon or something
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36344941] ost notably, the Maastricht Treaty, named after the Dutch [B]seaside[/B] town [/QUOTE] What maastricht is probably the most inland city we got.
[QUOTE=Zenpod;36348146]Everythings fucked lets go party on the moon or something[/QUOTE] we have no money to go to the moon :(
[QUOTE=taipan;36348584]What maastricht is probably the most inland city we got.[/QUOTE] What if you flood everything? :v:
[QUOTE=Roof;36349045]we have no money to go to the moon :([/QUOTE] Do not worry my friend, we can ask the mars bank for a loan.
[QUOTE=Dysgalt;36349936]Do not worry my friend, we can ask the mars bank for a loan.[/QUOTE] thanks man, maybe we can repay the loan by setting up the nazi base
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;36345315]I agree. Unfortunately, if the pressure continues to increase, they won't have much choice in the matter.[/QUOTE] Most likely they won't do it anyway because [b]$$$[/b]. I hate [b]$$$[/b] a lot.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36345077]I think that countries should stand together in times of crisis, rather than divide.[/QUOTE] This is true, but Merkel wants all of Europe to follow austerity which just isn't working and does not work.
[QUOTE=Cushie;36345633]They decide the laws and such for Britain itself. Your point would be valid if each region had individual laws that were all governed by people in London. Not to mention each area has its own elected MEPs and contributes towards who is running the country. The EU / European Council is pretty much a dictatorship, why should we not get to decide who rules over our own country? The collapse of the EU doesnt mean there is no peace, it just means each individual country gets control over their own affairs again.[/QUOTE] Why not abolish states altogether and return to city states, eh? Actually, fuck that, why should people who don't know me rule over me? Rage against the machine! Anarchy! [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] Governments limit. That's their purpose. If you once deal with the fact that this society needs centralized governing which will oversee the other processes like fair trade and justice, the scope of it doesn't matter, only it's quality matters. Greater aggregation of control means possibility of greater efficiency. Money can be reinvested to balance the economy of the whole and stabilize it. Saying that EU only costs you money is simply short sighted, just as it would be short sighted to imply one would be better off in this society but in state of anarchy. The European congress has to be kept in check by the people it rules over. People should care about politics, care about who they appoint not only into the European government, but also their local one.
[QUOTE=Cushie;36345633] The EU / European Council is pretty much a dictatorship[/QUOTE] that's the part where you start to sound like a paranoid schizophrenic, just a heads-up. obviously you don't know anything about the EU so inform yourself: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU[/url] [quote]The EU operates solely within those competencies conferred on it upon the treaties and according to the principle of subsidiarity (which dictates that action by the EU should only be taken where an objective cannot be sufficiently achieved by the member states alone).[/quote] how the flying fuck can you call the EU a dictatorship when the UK opted out of the Eurozone and doesn't have to join until the UK government decides so: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurozone#Enlargement[/url] seriously, they are your neighbors, you should at least now what they do.
[QUOTE=Roof;36349045]we have no money to go to the moon :([/QUOTE] Where we go we don't need money. WE HAVE NEWT GINGRICH! [IMG]http://directory.npcc.edu/forum/image.axd?picture=2012%2F2%2Fnewt-on-the-moon-2.gi.ju.top.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36349057]What if you flood everything? :v:[/QUOTE] Do you know where Maastricht is..?
[QUOTE=Cushie;36345633][b]Each area has its own elected MEPs[/b] and contributes towards who is running the country. [b]The EU / European Council is pretty much a dictatorship[/b], why should we not get to decide who rules over our own country? [/QUOTE] Can you see the obvious contradiction you've made here? [sub][sub][sub]Please tell me you can?[/sub][/sub][/sub]
the richer more stable eu countries should reduce tax on flights to eu countries such as Greece Spain and Italy, to encourage tourism
[QUOTE=Lethaxx;36353552]the richer more stable eu countries should reduce tax on flights to eu countries such as Greece Spain and Italy, to encourage tourism[/QUOTE] The prices are already damn low. I could go on holiday to Greece every damn holiday if I wanted to.
[QUOTE=Lethaxx;36353552]the richer more stable eu countries should reduce tax on flights to eu countries such as Greece Spain and Italy, to encourage tourism[/QUOTE] The tax is pretty much always used to fund Air Traffic Control and other air safety stuff though. I'd rather spend £10 more to know that I will be safe when flying.
[QUOTE=Jessey;36352695]Do you know where Maastricht is..?[/QUOTE] Nope. I know where very few non-capitol European cities are.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36354268]Nope. I know where very few non-capitol European cities are.[/QUOTE] It's right next to Belgium, in that little tiny southern offshoot, I think. So flood the Netherlands completely. :v:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36345621]Because they're still Englishman. And they're still a helluva lot closer and more well known to each other to London than say, Athens.[/QUOTE] And yet generally the laws the EU pushed forward meant massive increases in consumer protection in most countries. For some reason, it's generally brits that are the most against similar consumer protection standards even though the situation for them improved almost the most in that regard. Instead people keep putting forward odd notions like how bananas should look like or how something should taste when in fact, in most cases these things are bogus. Perhaps the nation which had it's consumer rights protection impacted the most in a negative way, was Germany. In part due to their tradition of bonehead stupid consumer who needs everything incredibly visually told. So their judicature and legislature had to step down a bit. Otherwise - the majority of consumers saw an improvement. Obviously the amount of money some nations pay to the union should be looked at and examined. But generally speaking, the legislature is some of the better out there. On top of that, the UK is traditionally one of the countries with the stronger voting power inside of the EU. Perhaps there are issues with it unable to secure partners for pushing forward it's notions and affairs, but by pure voting power it's one of the top three dogs in the kennel. [QUOTE=thisispain;36351969]that's the part where you start to sound like a paranoid schizophrenic, just a heads-up. obviously you don't know anything about the EU so inform yourself: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU[/url] how the flying fuck can you call the EU a dictatorship when the UK opted out of the Eurozone and doesn't have to join until the UK government decides so: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurozone#Enlargement[/url] seriously, they are your neighbors, you should at least now what they do.[/QUOTE] To be fully honest, the ECJ does have the annoying tendency to expand the scope of the treaty to a lot of criticism all around. And since they're the only ones with powers to do so until the treaty changes this is likely to continue. That's not to say they don't do good work overall, but the court is really very aggressive sometimes.
[QUOTE=lapsus_;36345634]Was nice till it lasted.. and at least it served a purpose: this is the longest period of peace between european states ever.[/QUOTE] Holy crap You're right Wow
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36354572]Holy crap You're right Wow[/QUOTE] So long as you don't include the Balkan Wars, though I don't believe they were part of the EU at the time anyway. I know a couple still aren't.
[QUOTE=Earthen;36351714]This is true, but Merkel wants all of Europe to follow austerity which just isn't working and does not work.[/QUOTE] Isn't Germany the best off in the EU? I dunno, looking at Greece, Spain, Italy, I'd be a pissed if I was German, all these leeches destroying the EU with your own tax dollars [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] Just imagine if there was an American Union? Third world countries in Latin America would fuck everything up
[QUOTE=The Baconator;36356885]Isn't Germany the best off in the EU? I dunno, looking at Greece, Spain, Italy, I'd be a pissed if I was German, all these leeches destroying the EU with your own tax dollars [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] Just imagine if there was an American Union? Third world countries in Latin America would fuck everything up[/QUOTE] There is an American Union. It's called the United States of America.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36354572]Holy crap You're right Wow[/QUOTE] if I recall I think Pax Britannica was the longest peace time.
[B]United we stand, divided we fall[/B]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36345621]Because they're still Englishman. And they're still a helluva lot closer and more well known to each other to London than say, Athens.[/QUOTE] That's saying that humans are inherently different based on their birthplace, which is entirely untrue. Why can't someone from Athens be able to objectively analyze the needs of a city like London? Why should you have to live in Paris before you understand French Economics? We are all people, even if we live under different flags, and appear to be different at face-value, we are still mostly the same. The idea that we can't determine what other people need or desire because we weren't born in the same country is detrimental to human unity overall. Wars are started because people think they can't understand each other, revolutions happen because rulers are unable or unwilling to seriously look at the needs of the people. We need to ditch the attitude that we are somehow different. We are all humans.
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