• Mueller Indicts 13 Russians for Hacking During U.S. Election
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Goes without saying really but Bloomberg is reporting that Mueller is indeed still investigating collusion by the Trump campaign and obstruction of justice by the President [url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-16/mueller-is-said-to-still-be-investigating-collusion-with-russia[/url]
[QUOTE=Bigstivie;53137218]Who in their right mind would want to shut down the special counsel when they're doing fantastic work for our democracy?[/QUOTE] They wish it to end because they don't want democracy, they want a theocratic ethno-nationalist dictatorship. They'd never use those terms because of the obvious heat that would generate from the average person, of course. It's easier to pretend that that isn't their true goal. But it's plainly obvious to see. They support the idea of the President having increased executive power and reduced checks and balances, they support the persecution of minorities based on color or creed or sexuality, and they support isolationist jingoist foreign policy that alienates what few allies we have left. They're fascists, plain and simple. Shutting down the Special Counsel is another step towards breaking away from normal democracy and heading towards authoritarianism, so of course it must be done in their eyes. So what if it's making our country safer and more secure? It threatens to harm the regime we support! So what if it's exposing foreign interference in our government? That interference helped us install a sympathetic figure head! So what if it'll drain the swamp? We want the swamp to stay full. There's nothing in it for them to support this investigation even as it progresses and pays dividends in the form of indictments and plea bargains. It sickens me how my own "countrymen" will gladly throw everything this country used to stand for into the mud for their putrid views. They have more in common with the political thugs of the Russian oligarchy than they even realize.
[QUOTE=Bigstivie;53137218]The people saying to shut it down have got to be either complicit or brainwashed Who in their right mind would want to shut down the special counsel when they're doing fantastic work for our democracy? Why not want to get down to the bottom of this rabbit hole instead of ending it right here? If Trump has done nothing wrong and is totally vindicated then lets prove it.[/QUOTE] A lot of them don't realize it yet, but they don't actually like Democracy. They want their leader ruling the country with the GOP at his side. They want the Democrats and the Liberals to be gone so that they may have absolute power.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;53137252]A lot of them don't realize it yet, but they don't actually like Democracy. They want their leader ruling the country with the GOP at his side. They want the Democrats and the Liberals to be gone so that they may have absolute power.[/QUOTE] Precisely my point but more concise, well said.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;53137187][IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/yj0wbmmcs658hyq/chrome_2018-02-16_21-39-08.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Okay, then enact the sanctions and release your tax returns. [QUOTE=Potus;53137201][media]https://twitter.com/KT_So_It_Goes/status/964597755133005824[/media][/QUOTE] I feel that "unwittingly" kind of loses its meaning when we have examples where unwittingly might just mean "so dim-witted he would literally just say he loves it when explicitly presented with Russian government interference".
"The Russians didn't interfere" *indictments* "Ok, so they interfered, but it was before I even began running" *future evidence* "Ok, so it was after, but Hillary"
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;53137270]Okay, then enact the sanctions and release your tax returns.[/QUOTE] Is the tweet not sanction enough for you?! Have some mercy 😭
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;53137270]Okay, then enact the sanctions and release your tax returns. I feel that "unwittingly" kind of loses its meaning when we have examples where unwittingly might just mean "so dim-witted he would literally just say he loves it when explicitly presented with Russian government interference".[/QUOTE] "Unwittingly" means nothing for Trump or his co-conspirators. This indictment makes no mention of them whatsoever. That the people being referred to were "unwitting" does not mean that Trump or his team were unwitting. Rosenstein was very explicit about this: this indictment does not exclude additional indictments, and Mueller's criminal investigation is continuing. This is not an exoneration of anybody, and it is not a conclusion. The narrative that right wing propagandist rags like Fox is going to take is that this indictment is proof that there was no collusion, and that Mueller's job is done, and that it's time to end the investigation. It isn't, it's not, and we're far from the end.
The sad thing about Americans dismissing these indictments is that they seem to not grasp the bigger picture. A foreign entity is in your country, meddling with your elections, creating division and sowing distrust between your own people. How can you simply wave these facts away. That's the most unpatriotic and disloyal shit I've heard and seen. It's crazy.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;53137340]The sad thing about Americans dismissing these indictments is that they seem to not grasp the bigger picture. A foreign entity is in your country, meddling with your elections, creating division and sowing distrust between your own people. How can you simply wave these facts away. That's the most unpatriotic and disloyal shit I've heard and seen. It's crazy.[/QUOTE] Because "their side" is in power and admitting this means they'll probably lose power. And a lot of the diehard Trumpets (the ones who'd never survive three days posting on this forum) are living massively-developed persecution complexes, so they fear "retribution" if the political left is allowed to gain control -- especially after the far right has demonstrated it's playing for keeps with gerrymandering, voter ID laws, and the more recent bullshitery like cockblocking an Obama appointee to the Supreme Court for a [I]year[/I] in order to make sure they can stack the bench for themselves. They've pretty much backed themselves into a corner and made their hostile intent so clear they don't feel they'll be safe if they let go of power. One little coup and history repeats itself in front of us.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;53137340]How can you simply wave these facts away. That's the most unpatriotic and disloyal shit I've heard and seen. It's crazy.[/QUOTE] The simple and terrifying explanation is that they have been conditioned to fear their own countrymen more than a foreign power.
[QUOTE=mcharest;53137373]The simple and terrifying explanation is that they have been conditioned to fear their own countrymen more than a foreign power.[/QUOTE] That scares me more
[QUOTE=Bigstivie;53137218]The people saying to shut it down have got to be either complicit or brainwashed Who in their right mind would want to shut down the special counsel when they're doing fantastic work for our democracy? Why not want to get down to the bottom of this rabbit hole instead of ending it right here? If Trump has done nothing wrong and is totally vindicated then lets prove it.[/QUOTE] Sean Hannity convinced them it's an attack on Trump that started when Hillary Clinton bought and ordered a fake dossier. They think it's all a Hillary plot.
I want to see who announces they're not running for reelection. Manafort and gates were hit with money laundering, these guys with defrauding the united states, Mueller's on a mission but its not just trump, after this hes retiring he gave up working at a law firm to work homicides, so with the energy he has left hes gonna go into d.c and sniff out all the shit he can find and lay it out there. If trumps dirty then he'll be on the wall with the rest of them, but this proves that its not just the people in the administration that are going to start getting worried. Looselipssinkships Sad bannon[IMG]https://image.ibb.co/cxtWRS/534.jpg[/IMG] Happy bannon [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43079550[/url] [IMG]https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/093C/production/_100046320_hi044821763.jpg[/IMG]
tear them all down. trump's refusal to impose sanctions on russia after this goes to show how much of a piece of shit traitor he is. bring him in and take him down.
[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;53137675]tear them all down. trump's refusal to impose sanctions on russia after this goes to show how much of a piece of shit traitor he is. bring him in and take him down.[/QUOTE] That alone is an impeachable offense. He's unilaterally refusing to enforce sanctions passed by a 99% supermajority vote in congress against a nation that is actively attacking us. At [I]best[/I], it's a gross dereliction of his responsibilities as our commander in chief. Our sovereignty is under assault, our national security is deeply imperiled, and he does [B][U]nothing[/U][/B] because he's personally benefiting from it. Even if that were his only offense (and it is [B]far[/B] from it), it is one that should see him in prison. [editline]16th February 2018[/editline] Also, prepare to be disgusted at the following depravity: [media]https://twitter.com/trish_regan/status/964643074562379776[/media] Yes. Fox News, realizing they needed a story to attack the credibility of the FBI today in order to distract from the latest wave of indictments, just politicized a mass shooting at a school to call for a purge of the DOJ.
I hope Mueller has more up his sleeve in the next few days, because the heat against him is undoubtedly gonna ramp up from some increasingly nervous people
[QUOTE=Funion;53137819]I hope Mueller has more up his sleeve in the next few days, because the heat against him is undoubtedly gonna ramp up from some increasingly nervous people[/QUOTE] My fingers are crossed that he has every possible angle covered. He's conducting an insanely high profile investigation, publicly, within his own government. There's a lot to worry about but he has made serious ground so far.
[b]BUT WAIT, HE'S [I]STILL[/I] NOT DONE![/B] [url]https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/02/16/mueller-manafort-bank-fraud-accusations-416509?__twitter_impression=true[/url] [quote]Special counsel Robert Mueller’s office has told a federal judge it has found evidence that Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, committed bank fraud not addressed by the indictment last October in which he was charged with money laundering and failure to register as a foreign agent.[/quote] Seems like Manafort is the key to all this, they need to get Manafort flipped because he's a funnier character than they've indicted before
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53137856][b]BUT WAIT, HE'S [I]STILL[/I] NOT DONE![/B] [url]https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/02/16/mueller-manafort-bank-fraud-accusations-416509?__twitter_impression=true[/url] Seems like Manafort is the key to all this, they need to get Manafort flipped because he's a funnier character than they've indicted before[/QUOTE] Now that's more like it, this was turning out be rather disappointing at first, because it seemed like a weak start. That's not exactly a big start either, they already had enough to bury Manafort, but it's good enough. These things take time.
Stay tuned to actual news sources this weekend Patriots. Things might get pretty hairy pretty quick if more indictments come out on (more) former/current Trump Administration members. The amount of online stupidity being spewed from /T_D and other Trumpists sites justifying tyrannical and treasonous behaviour by our current President has been ramping up every single time bombshells like this come out to the public, and it's only getting worse. If Trump (along with any other high profile GOP members) himself is unseated, impeached, taken into custody, or anything that removes him from Office, expect his cult followers to literally take to the streets - along with their guns that they're so fond off - in protest of [I]Their President[/I] being [I]dethroned[/I] by [I]The Obama Hillary Deep State Coup[/I] that Fox News, OAN, and other Republican Propaganda Outlets have been so feverishly peddling for the last year. Hopefully the Swamp is successfully Drained as promised. But if the Republican Propaganda Outlets are able to rile up their fanbase(s) enough to incite actual civil war, remember to stay safe.
[QUOTE=fredstin22;53138073]This is getting way overblown. At this point Trump is still President, and even if he is removed from office, I doubt there's going to be a "civil war" over this.[/QUOTE] I think a full-blown civil war is unlikely but there will definitely be an uptick in right-wing violence from morons who think this is some conspiracy garbage, if not some rioting.
Civil War will not happen unless we have both sides directly engaging in a violent manner. That said though, the tension is as thick as Virginian fog after a rainstorm.
There was no civil war about Nixon, there won't be one now.
[QUOTE=DeadWar;53138165]There was no civil war about Nixon, there won't be one now.[/QUOTE] Nixon wasn't nearly as bad and was at a less polarized time in our nation
[QUOTE=DeadWar;53138165]There was no civil war about Nixon, there won't be one now.[/QUOTE] nixon didnt collude with a foreign power to sway an election.
[QUOTE=ThatSwordGuy;53138167]Nixon wasn't nearly as bad and was at a less polarized time in our nation[/QUOTE] You underestimate the climate around Watergate. We had 2000 bombings in one year in 1970 ~ 1971.
[QUOTE=DeadWar;53138165]There was no civil war about Nixon, there won't be one now.[/QUOTE] Nixon also didn't have a cult of personality surrounding him and multiple propaganda news organizations painting the opposition as trying to hold a coup to remove him or a higher approval rating or dangerous right-wing extremist organizations that teach paramilitary training supporting him I don't think a full blown civil war would be likely, most Trump supporters I know would kinda just complain and be more engrossed in their views in the long run. If anything riots and terrorism would have a spike, I wouldn't worry about it really. Honestly it would be kind of funny, seeing as how they paint liberals as dangerous whiny criminals while they would be trying to tear to shit down because their Russian puppet got caught.
[QUOTE=Bigstivie;53138201]Nixon also didn't have a cult of personality surrounding him and multiple propaganda news organizations painting the opposition as trying to hold a coup to remove him or a higher approval rating or dangerous [B]right-wing extremist organizations[/B] that teach paramilitary training supporting him I don't think a full blown civil war would be likely, most Trump supporters I know would kinda just complain and be more engrossed in their views in the long run. If anything riots and terrorism would have a spike, I wouldn't worry about it really. Honestly it would be kind of funny, seeing as how they paint liberals as dangerous whiny criminals while they would be trying to tear to shit down because their Russian puppet got caught.[/QUOTE] Which? :v: Most of the militia movement has a distaste for Trump already. He hasn't come through with passing pro-gun legislation or done anything about the ATF being full-retard.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53138204]Which? :v: Most of the militia movement has a distaste for Trump already. He hasn't come through with passing pro-gun legislation or done anything about the ATF being full-retard.[/QUOTE] The "Republic of Florida" white-extremist group, the one that taught the Florida shooter who supports Trump is a good example. From what I can tell so far, a whole lot of them that don't support him, don't because his daughter and step-son are Jewish. However most of them seem to deal with him simply because they hate the democrats more. Plus you got to remember Charlottesville, he doesn't give a fuck about these groups and that inspires them and makes them want to speak up more. Hell, one of the [URL="http://www.newsweek.com/kkk-leader-david-duke-tweets-thank-god-trump-thats-why-we-love-him-726023"]grand wizards for the kkk[/URL] support him. The paramilitary training? The KKK is [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXIYQxMN9-4"] hiring veterans[/URL] to train other members and stockpile weapons. As for the pro-gun legislation, Trump [URL="https://www.snopes.com/trump-sign-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-illnesses/"]revoked a gun law[/URL] preventing mentally ill people from purchasing weapons. I don't think the whole pro-gun thing matters so much, as I think they care more that he [I]isn't trying[/I] to pass any gun legislation at the moment than anything.
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