Mueller Indicts 13 Russians for Hacking During U.S. Election
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[QUOTE=DeadWar;53141732]Unless those active anti-Trumpers on social media can [B]objectively[/B] [which they probably cannot do] convince Congress of impeachment and a subsequent guilty verdict, Im going to predict that a supermajority is not going to happen and Trump will remain President.
Especially since it is proven that the Russians play both sides of the coin in the bid to stir up confusion.
To me it looks like the Russians are succeeding in driving a wedge though maybe that wedge was always there.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that Congress has abandoned its duties by refusing to impeach the President for highly impeachable offenses; not that people need to 'convince them to do it'.
They have convinced [I]themselves[/I] not to impeach. Part of how they've convinced themselves is telling people that there's nothing the President's done that's impeachment-worthy because he 'hasn't been found guilty of anything' which is blatant manipulation of the public to believe that him 'being found guilty' was in any way required for them to be bound to do their duty and impeach the President should impeachable offenses arise.
There are congressmen who have [I]already brought[/I] articles of impeachment against the President for many of the things I've stated - and those articles were voted down and impeachment proceedings did not result.
That has no bearing whatsoever on the [B]fact[/B] that Trump has committed [I]multiple impeachable offenses[/I]. In other words, despite your protests, he very much [I]is[/I] guilty of those misdimeanors as being [I]found guilty[/I] of a misdimeanor only requires that Congress [I]believes you guilty[/I] of that misdimeanor. It does not require a court trial or evidence. If Congress [I]feels[/I] it's impeachable, it is.
If Congress can't be convinced to impeach the President after Mueller concludes his investigation and (extremely likely) finds Trump and his cabinet in violation of multiple federal and state crimes -- then we'll be in a constitutional crisis like no other in this nation's history and at that point we might see [I]Senators being recalled from their seats[/I] by demand of the people for justice to be seen and done. The resulting special elections would [I]obviously[/I] bias heavily in Democrat favor which could very easily result in a supermajority, especially if Mueller finds that the Republican bloc (and some Democrats) in Congress itself are similarly guilty of federal and state crimes and can demonstrate that said Republican bloc and some Democrats [I]knew[/I] the President was in violation of those crimes well in advance of his announcement but yet still refused to act.
[QUOTE=DeadWar;53141673]Yeah but you aren't judge, jury and executioner.
Trial by social media doesn't stand up in court.[/QUOTE]
You are applying the wrong standards.
Impeachment is not "crimes involving the President are adjudicated by Congress". Impeachment looks similar to a trial but only because both are trying to produce informed, correct decisions.
Impeachment is "Congress can remove a President who is incompetent to hold office or [I]is acting against the interests of the nation[/I]".
Trump could be found innocent of every crime he's ever been accused of, and Congress would still be both legally correct and ethically right to impeach him.
Trump is grossly incompetent. More dangerously, he is prioritizing the desires of a foreign power over the needs of America. Both of these things are now blatantly obvious - Congress's lack of action so far is due to their own prioritization of loyalty to the Party over loyalty to the People, not due to any lack of evidence.
[QUOTE=DeadWar;53141662]You have no real way of knowing why [Comey] was removed, you can only speculate.[/QUOTE]
Except the fucking President himself said it on-camera in an interview for TV???
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;53141922]Except the fucking President himself said it on-camera in an interview for TV???[/QUOTE]
To be fair, Trump [I]is[/I] a known liar and should generally not be trusted as a source of information.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;53142016]To be fair, Trump [I]is[/I] a known liar and should generally not be trusted as a source of information.[/QUOTE]
But then, why would he tell a lie that [I]implicates[/I] him in obstruction of justice? The only plausible way to interpret his statement as not trustworthy is if Trump isn't mentally healthy, which should also be grounds for removal.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;53141753]
Trump is grossly incompetent. More dangerously, [B]he is prioritizing the desires of a foreign power over the needs of America.[/B] Both of these things are now blatantly obvious - Congress's lack of action so far is due to their own prioritization of loyalty to the Party over loyalty to the People, not due to any lack of evidence.[/QUOTE]
Call me crazy or some other insult, but what desires are those?
[QUOTE=gman003-main;53142016]To be fair, Trump [I]is[/I] a known liar and should generally not be trusted as a source of information.[/QUOTE]
He's a liar but he's also dumb as shit, I dont think he knew what the implications were of him saying that.
[QUOTE=Glaber;53142080]Call me crazy or some other insult, but what desires are those?[/QUOTE]
Refusing to impose sanctions voted for by congress.
[QUOTE=Glaber;53142080]Call me crazy or some other insult, but what desires are those?[/QUOTE]
Oh the desires of a foreign power, I read that wrong, sorry, very tired. Snip.
[QUOTE=DeadWar;53141662]I don't question that he should be impeached IF found guilty of alleged crimes and replaced with Pence.
With Comey both democrats and republicans criticised Comey, you are distorting the facts into why he was removed as there are multiple reasons why he should have been removed. You have no real way of knowing why he was removed, you can only speculate. Mueller is a different beast and if HE were fired, I would take to your narrative more, but I cannot as the result of one firing. I also wouldn't call praising FOX an unusual occurrence with a Republican president.[/QUOTE]
[B]“I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
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[QUOTE=BusterBluth;53142315][B]“I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
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That quote should be inscribed in stone and memorialized forever. Firing Comey was the catalyst that took this from a probe into Russian interference to an out-and-out criminal investigation of the President of the United States.
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