Islamic State orders killing of children with Down's Syndrome
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[QUOTE=alexaz;49312075]Why does someone find it not OK to kill retarded children? They will not contribute to society, yet leech its resources.
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You're no better than a goddamn Nazi. Go back to /pol/ where you belong
[QUOTE=alexaz;49312075]Why does someone find it not OK to kill retarded children? They will not contribute to society, yet leech its resources.
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You're not wrong, it's just very unethical.
Can we please stop quoting banned people after they got banned?
All this eugenics talk about "saving" all the poor retards from a low quality of life is useless here because Down Syndrome doesn't make you a vegetable. There are thousands of people with Down Syndrome who live happy, independent lives.
[QUOTE=alexaz;49312075]Why does someone find it not OK to kill retarded children? They will not contribute to society, yet leech its resources.
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Regardless of how poorly they presented it, this is ultimately an ethical question that I suspect is going to eventually end up as a debated topic--much like abortions currently are--given how science is likely to continue to get better at detecting disorders (and other "defects") before birth.
[QUOTE=alexaz;49312075]Why does someone find it not OK to kill retarded children? They will not contribute to society, yet leech its resources.
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Still, killing innocent children doesn't seem like the right thing to do.
[QUOTE=alexaz;49312075]Why does someone find it not OK to kill retarded children? They will not contribute to society, yet leech its resources.
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Same reason we don't kill 4chan users.
so do you guys think aborting if down syndrome is detected is ok or not?
because i can imagine people who dont have a lot of money to begin with will pretty much have their life ruined if they get a kid with downs, even more than a kid without it
[QUOTE=uitham;49314199]so do you guys think aborting if down syndrome is detected is ok or not?
because i can imagine people who dont have a lot of money to begin with will pretty much have their life ruined if they get a kid with downs, even more than a kid without it[/QUOTE]
I would be ok with that, but once the child has born it's a fuck no situation.
I mean, we abort for many other reasons, this is a pretty fucking big reason.
The comparison between the third reich and the Islamic State have been clear since the beginning. Both wanted a dominion lasting centuries, both executed detractors and both have committed atrocities against those they see as less than human.
[QUOTE=uitham;49314199]so do you guys think aborting if down syndrome is detected is ok or not?
because i can imagine people who dont have a lot of money to begin with will pretty much have their life ruined if they get a kid with downs, even more than a kid without it[/QUOTE]
If a child hasn't even developed cognition yet, then I don't see a problem with stopping it there for the sake of the parent and child.
What's suggested by the IS is just fucking atrocious though but that goes without saying.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;49312146]I understand the "concept" of what you are talking about but in a totally different demeanor and form. I honestly wonder why we seem to need to keep children with severe mental disabilities, like those that can barely function at all (not everyone with a mental disability!!!) If my son or daughter or even if I was wheelchair bound and unable to even speak or function I would want to be put down, I wouldn't want to live that torment and I sure as hell wouldn't want my children living like that.[/QUOTE]
The fact is, you very rarely know what you are getting when you have a baby. Even if your baby is defined with a genetic difference, you have NO idea exactly what that means until they are born and start developing. At that point, you have a child, whom you love. Most children with severe disabilities, despite the challenges, are pure joy. If society would be more understanding and less judgmental, life would be easier for everyone.
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[QUOTE=sltungle;49312166]Everyone's getting mad at this guy (and in all fairness, he worded this in the most assholey way possible), but I know plenty of people who have or do work with mentally retarded or otherwise challenged children (integration aides and the likes) and they've all at some point wondered whether or not it would just be kinder to let a lot of the kids die at birth because quality of life is virtually non-existent, and the families of these children wind up carrying a huge burden and suffer as a result. Now, for the most part, kids with Down's Syndrome don't fall under this category (their quality of life isn't too greatly diminished in general), but in general it's a point worth discussing.[/QUOTE]
Quality of life is all relative. How many of us would like to get back to where the simple things make us happy? Kids with severe Intellectual disability (mentally retarded is a very archaic term) have alot of challenges, but most families are more than happy to help them with these challenges. Until you have a child who is developmentally delayed, you can't even imagine how amazing it is to watch them achieve even the littlest of things.
Yes, many aids and teachers would feel this way, but families (in general) do not.
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[QUOTE=Ern;49312398]In a world where ISIS is in control, I doubt they'd even know how to identify downs syndrome in newborns other than looking at it and going "Yeah his face is pretty fucked up"[/QUOTE]
Yeah - that's pretty rude. Have you seen babies with Down syndrome? They are adorable! Actually, the features on babies are much more difficult to distinguish than older children and adults with Down syndrome. Newborns are often identified by their low muscle tone (or floppiness).
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[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;49312334]I know they've been banned and probably won't see this, but there are actual people with a mental disability who have started businesses in data destruction purely because they can't read the data to be destroyed. They're more employed in my state than the regular "normal" people companies.[/QUOTE]
Most people with intellectual disabilities can read just fine. This was not a company started by people with intellectual disabilities, it's a sheltered workshop operated by the state of OK. The reason they employ people with disabilities is because they are AMAZING at completing jobs like this because they are typically really good at consistently repeating a procedure exactly like they learned.
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[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49312911]something about this seems like exploitation but i don't really have a problem with it[/QUOTE]
It's incorrect, actually. The business is a sheltered workshop run through the state and the people are not employed because they can't read, they are employed because it's the type of job at which people with ID excel.
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[QUOTE=MIPS;49313178]Mind you typically in low income jobs because our disabilities negatively affect us educationally and socially. I know dozens of people who are in the same boat. Two of which took their lives in the last three years because of where their disorders put them.[/QUOTE]
Legally, you can pay someone with an ID $1/hour. How wrong is that?
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[QUOTE=Ylsid;49313608]You're not wrong, it's just very unethical.[/QUOTE]
People with intellectual disabilities definitely contribute positively to society. I know many people with Down syndrome who run their own businesses, hold political offices, and work in national organizations.
People with Down syndrome most likely will never do drugs or commit crimes - so do we now just kill off anyone who ever does drugs (so possibly sent to state run rehab facilities) or commits a crime because they leech our resources?
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[QUOTE=DaMastez;49313863]Regardless of how poorly they presented it, this is ultimately an ethical question that I suspect is going to eventually end up as a debated topic--much like abortions currently are--given how science is likely to continue to get better at detecting disorders (and other "defects") before birth.[/QUOTE]
Too late - already a hugely debated topic.
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[QUOTE=uitham;49314199]so do you guys think aborting if down syndrome is detected is ok or not?
because i can imagine people who dont have a lot of money to begin with will pretty much have their life ruined if they get a kid with downs, even more than a kid without it[/QUOTE]
Down syndrome would not ruin someone's life anymore than having a child without Down syndrome. Many children with Down syndrome have no major medical issues at all. Therapy is provided through state run Early Intervention programs. These programs teach families how to productively play with their children to develop where they are delayed. Because of Early Intervention programs, many children with Down syndrome are fully integrated educationally with their peers, which means that they are learning and developing much more on their grade level than ever before.
Children with Down syndrome often receive medical benefits through the state as well, which helps families cover the medical costs in case there are major medical issues.
I don't know much about down syndrome. All I've heard is that the person doesn't get or gets too many chromosomes in their DNA, so just an incomplete genetic code to me.
It might seem wrong considering whoever is doing it, may it be IS or Axis powers or anyone for that matter. Alot of species don't even let the weaker individuals reproduce because they'll just create more weaklings, who would have to become a burden to the ones running the ship. I'd rather end up working with someone who is able to work and have conversations with me than someone who needs help with every single thing and just mumbles nonsense.
It's better to just let them go than just suffer and live off of pity from others. Who the fuck would want to be brought up by some power that would kill you for leaving it or not being worthy of it?
[QUOTE=Cheshire_cat;49312094]You're not contributing anything to this forum, can we ban you now?[/QUOTE]
Well neither are you for that matter.
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49314453]I don't know much about down syndrome. All I've heard is that the person doesn't get or gets too many chromosomes in their DNA, so just an incomplete genetic code to me.
It might seem wrong considering whoever is doing it, may it be IS or Axis powers or anyone for that matter. Alot of species don't even let the weaker individuals reproduce because they'll just create more weaklings, who would have to become a burden to the ones running the ship. I'd rather end up working with someone who is able to work and have conversations with me than someone who needs help with every single thing and just mumbles nonsense.
It's better to just let them go than just suffer and live off of pity from others. Who the fuck would want to be brought up by some power that would kill you for leaving it or not being worthy of it?[/QUOTE]
Downs syndrome is caused by nondisjunction on the 21st chromosome, causing 3 chromosomes to appear in that group instead of two in every cell. This in turn caused severe mental development impairement.
The viewpoint you hold is disturbing to be quite frank. Its not their fault they were born like this, yet you advocate their eradication from society. Sure they're a drain on the parents and society's resources, however the fact that we don't systematically kill them shows that we are evolved, intelligent beings rather than savage animals.
FUCK YOU ISIS
[QUOTE=joshuadim;49314534]Downs syndrome is caused by nondisjunction on the 21st chromosome, causing 3 chromosomes to appear in that group instead of two in every cell. This in turn caused severe mental development impairement.
The viewpoint you hold is disturbing to be quite frank. Its not their fault they were born like this, yet you advocate their eradication from society. Sure they're a drain on the parents and society's resources, however the fact that we don't systematically kill them shows that we are evolved, intelligent beings rather than savage animals.[/QUOTE]
But is it ethical to let people with severe birth defects live their lives if they cannot live like normal people?
IMO ISIS has a decent, although far-fetched idea, yet hitler-like execution.
[QUOTE]IMO ISIS has a decent, although far-fetched idea[/QUOTE]
So it's ethical to murder innocent people because of something out of their and our control? Awesome. By that logic, Hitler's holocaust was ethical because those people were genetically inferior and were a drain on society.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;49314647]So it's ethical to murder innocent people because of something out of their and our control? Awesome. By that logic, Hitler's holocaust was ethical because those people were genetically inferior and were a drain on society.[/QUOTE]
Care to explain how jews were genetically inferior and were a drain on society?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;49314656]Care to explain how jews were genetically inferior and were a drain on society?[/QUOTE]
That's what Hitler thought. Not me.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;49312146]I understand the "concept" of what you are talking about but in a totally different demeanor and form. I honestly wonder why we seem to need to keep children with severe mental disabilities, like those that can barely function at all (not everyone with a mental disability!!!) If my son or daughter or even if I was wheelchair bound and unable to even speak or function I would want to be put down, I wouldn't want to live that torment and I sure as hell wouldn't want my children living like that.[/QUOTE]
I work with people that could basically qualify as not disabled which actually are disabled and very severely disabled individuals everyday. In my opinion it's simply because when you're a parent of a disabled person that is wheel chair bound and can't even speak or function the parent still treats the person like a child no matter what age they are. It turns into the parent doing it because it's what they want (selfishness IMO). They think that if they're happy with their offsprings quality of life that everything is okay. They don't actively try to be selfish but they seem to justify it because "they're doing the best they can with the cards they were given" so that the parent can feel okay about having a severely disabled child. All of which is supposedly done in their child's best interest. Which I do believe they have the best intentions but never consider what that person has to go through every day because it's their "normal". Honestly if I had the chance to test the genetics of an embryo before the gestational process began. I would not go through with anything further unless there were no genetic flaws. Not because I seek the perfect offspring in the future but because I seek the perfect future for my offspring. This is all hypothetical granted these tests keep advancing and become the normal thing to do. They're very expensive currently and not 100% accurate. The goal in the line of work I currently do is to provide disabled individuals with the highest quality of life possible. This sort of testing is controversial and probably won't put anyone in my line of work in jeopardy for many generations to come. And before one of you starts a pro life vs pro choice argument. I don't subscribe to either because if you argue for pro life than someone else can argue about a severely disabled persons future quality of life. And then if you argue pro choice someone else can argue what the implications a severely disabled person that basically would need to be tended to 24/7 would have on the family. Thus leading to divorce, regret, financial debt or burden and so on and so forth. Which may further degrade the individuals quality of life. Either way it's a very difficult discussion. Keep in mind that I'm talking about people that are so disabled that they're life consists basically of being wheel chair bound, being unable to talk, being fed by a gastrointestinal tube, and constantly drooling on yourself all day. And to add insult to injury if you're in their shoes and can comprehend what's happening. Everyone thinks you're "cute as a button" no matter what age you are and treats you like a child. And the most embarrassing part if I had to guess is that you can't even wipe your own ass or bathe yourself. And I'll end this by saying what kind of life is that if that were you?
Guys if Daesh are willing to crucify and decapitate fully mobile people. This isn't shocking, but it is an abhorrent thing to do.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;49312146]I understand the "concept" of what you are talking about but in a totally different demeanor and form. I honestly wonder why we seem to need to keep children with severe mental disabilities, like those that can barely function at all (not everyone with a mental disability!!!) If my son or daughter or even if I was wheelchair bound and unable to even speak or function I would want to be put down, I wouldn't want to live that torment and I sure as hell wouldn't want my children living like that.[/QUOTE]
If your child was unable to speak or function, what gives you the right to judge what they want?
Spoiler: [sp] you don't decide what happens to other people if they can't speak their mind [/sp]
Further lending credence to the view that DAESH are modern day Nazis.
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49314453]I don't know much about down syndrome. All I've heard is that the person doesn't get or gets too many chromosomes in their DNA, so just an incomplete genetic code to me.
It might seem wrong considering whoever is doing it, may it be IS or Axis powers or anyone for that matter. Alot of species don't even let the weaker individuals reproduce because they'll just create more weaklings, who would have to become a burden to the ones running the ship. I'd rather end up working with someone who is able to work and have conversations with me than someone who needs help with every single thing and just mumbles nonsense.
It's better to just let them go than just suffer and live off of pity from others. Who the fuck would want to be brought up by some power that would kill you for leaving it or not being worthy of it?[/QUOTE]
Some of you are so disconnected its scary
[QUOTE=joshuadim;49314659]That's what Hitler thought. Not me.[/QUOTE]
That makes no sense. Hitler was wrong, saying people with downs are genetically inferior is a fact. (note I said genetically, don't cause a shitstorm over this)
[QUOTE=uitham;49314199]so do you guys think aborting if down syndrome is detected is ok or not?
because i can imagine people who dont have a lot of money to begin with will pretty much have their life ruined if they get a kid with downs, even more than a kid without it[/QUOTE]
theres a guy in my town with downs syndrome and he rides his bike fucking everywhere. Practically the whole town knows him, He will stop at a store or something and talk to everyone.
[QUOTE=Vedauntus;49314858]If your child was unable to speak or function, what gives you the right to judge what they want?
Spoiler: [sp] you don't decide what happens to other people if they can't speak their mind [/sp][/QUOTE]
Very true. No one should ever be put down or euthanized unless the are capable of choosing which is a whole other discussion. Rather preventing genetic disorders/diseases from developing in the first place seems more humane. This way it can be remedied before it even has a chance to develop. Which in my opinion would be prevention.
[QUOTE=alexaz;49312075]Why does someone find it not OK to kill retarded children? They will not contribute to society, yet leech its resources.
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When you realize you're arguing for killing children you're at the point where you might want to take a walk and think about your life choices.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;49314647]So it's ethical to murder innocent people because of something out of their and our control? Awesome. By that logic, Hitler's holocaust was ethical because those people were genetically inferior and were a drain on society.[/QUOTE]
I do not understand your post.
Do you admit that Jews are genetically inferior and a drain on society or do you admit that the severely defected kids are genetically inferior and a drain on society? Whats your pick?
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