• Islamic State orders killing of children with Down's Syndrome
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[QUOTE=nox;49315301]When you realize you're arguing for killing children you're at the point where you might want to take a walk and think about your life choices.[/QUOTE] Maybe you should keep commenting on the banned guy who can't read your retort. That's smart.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;49315068]That makes no sense. Hitler was wrong, saying people with downs are genetically inferior is a fact. (note I said genetically, don't cause a shitstorm over this)[/QUOTE] Quit being my souffleur
[QUOTE=Hogie bear;49315325]Maybe you should keep commenting on the banned guy who can't read your retort. That's smart.[/QUOTE] banned users can still read the forums. he just cant reply
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49315432]banned users can still read the forums. he just cant reply[/QUOTE] Did they change it? I thought it was only refugee
[QUOTE=Cheeseist;49315535]Did they change it? I thought it was only refugee[/QUOTE] yeah it changed a while ago. not logged in/banned users see the same forums now, because otherwise you could just logout of the forums and see everything anyway.
The fact that Isis is doing this is fucking retarded.
Im am laughing my ass off here when people think that children and adults who have down syndrome live miserable lives and are vegetables. Excuse me, but my sister has down syndrome. Almost everyday she is happy, she loves watching movies, works at a Goodwill in the town we live by, and is friends with most of the people that work there. Its just amazing how people think down syndrome is akin to having a miserable life. [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49314453]I don't know much about down syndrome. All I've heard is that the person doesn't get or gets too many chromosomes in their DNA, so just an incomplete genetic code to me. It might seem wrong considering whoever is doing it, may it be IS or Axis powers or anyone for that matter. Alot of species don't even let the weaker individuals reproduce because they'll just create more weaklings, who would have to become a burden to the ones running the ship. I'd rather end up working with someone who is able to work and have conversations with me than someone who needs help with every single thing and just mumbles nonsense. It's better to just let them go than just suffer and live off of pity from others. Who the fuck would want to be brought up by some power that would kill you for leaving it or not being worthy of it?[/QUOTE] You really think people who have down syndrome are miserable. pathetic.
I've been diagnosed with autism and I can quite clearly say that I'm far from being a "vegetable" and or having a miserable life sure I can't speak for everybody who has autism, down's, or any other mental disorder, but it's more than possible for people with them to cope, of course it also depends of the severity of that disorder as well. To all those people who say that "Retards need to be euthanized!!!", what are you going to do when a mother, father, or both refuses to let his/her/their child, no matter how "retarded" or deformed he or she is, be euthanized? People have their own definitions of reason and forcing your or somebody else's version of it onto somebody else sometimes tends to yield bad results.
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49314453]I don't know much about down syndrome. All I've heard is that the person doesn't get or gets too many chromosomes in their DNA, so just an incomplete genetic code to me. It might seem wrong considering whoever is doing it, may it be IS or Axis powers or anyone for that matter. Alot of species don't even let the weaker individuals reproduce because they'll just create more weaklings, who would have to become a burden to the ones running the ship. I'd rather end up working with someone who is able to work and have conversations with me than someone who needs help with every single thing and just mumbles nonsense. It's better to just let them go than just suffer and live off of pity from others. Who the fuck would want to be brought up by some power that would kill you for leaving it or not being worthy of it?[/QUOTE] That's not exactly how nature works.. And it sure as hell ain't how the human society works. Anyways, from what I've seen, most downies appear as capable as anyone for your average/menial job positions. I'm not sure if the Nazis ever saw that, or if they even wanted to see that. Their justification for offering "voluntary" euthanasia to families with retarded/disabled members was because they'd rather have the money put into their war machine. They wouldn't have trusted them. So maybe a downie employee might be a risky investment, but it's nothing a fair job interview won't shed some light on.. And ultimately, it comes down to the question whether we can afford it. I think we can, or rather could. [editline]15th December 2015[/editline] And it's not really smart to say that "Yo, yo, I don't really know much about down's syndrome alright, or how genes work, but I'mma just say real quick right here that all downies should be killed off."
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49315324]I do not understand your post. Do you admit that Jews are genetically inferior and a drain on society or do you admit that the severely defected kids are genetically inferior and a drain on society? Whats your pick?[/QUOTE] I'm saying having that mindset that genetically inferior people should be killed rather than allowed to live is equivalent to Holocaust thinking.
Also, I see the concept in killing off leeches of society, and in a way agree with it I guess (but not really, because human society is about enabling people in certain circumstances), only these leeches come from all classes of society, and there are a lot of them; even really rich people leech off more than they contribute sometimes, I suppose.
[video=youtube;hsgxheXCUTU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsgxheXCUTU[/video] ??? im getting mixed messages here
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49314453]I don't know much about down syndrome. All I've heard is that the person doesn't get or gets too many chromosomes in their DNA, so just an incomplete genetic code to me. It might seem wrong considering whoever is doing it, may it be IS or Axis powers or anyone for that matter. Alot of species don't even let the weaker individuals reproduce because they'll just create more weaklings, who would have to become a burden to the ones running the ship. I'd rather end up working with someone who is able to work and have conversations with me than someone who needs help with every single thing and just mumbles nonsense. It's better to just let them go than just suffer and live off of pity from others. Who the fuck would want to be brought up by some power that would kill you for leaving it or not being worthy of it?[/QUOTE] People with Down syndrome have an extra copy of the 21st Chromosome. That's it - that's all it means. People with Down syndrome can be educated, graduate high school, graduate college, live independently, obtain a driver's license, work, live meaningful and productive lives, and do pretty much everything anyone else does. the biggest limitation people with disabilities run across is the ignorance of others. People with Down syndrome do not suffer and they certainly don't live off of pity from others. [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=joshuadim;49314534]Downs syndrome is caused by nondisjunction on the 21st chromosome, causing 3 chromosomes to appear in that group instead of two in every cell. This in turn caused severe mental development impairement. The viewpoint you hold is disturbing to be quite frank. Its not their fault they were born like this, yet you advocate their eradication from society. Sure they're a drain on the parents and society's resources, however the fact that we don't systematically kill them shows that we are evolved, intelligent beings rather than savage animals.[/QUOTE] Yes, Down syndrome is 3 copies of the 21st chromosome, typically in every cell (although not always), but it doesn't always, and not even normally, cause several development impairment. Most people with Down syndrome are considered to have mild to moderate intellectual disabilities (which means that their IQ is measured between 40 & 70). However there is much discussion about the validity of IQ tests for people with Down syndrome because many have a verbal processing delay and, as the IQ test is almost exclusively verbal and timed, this would create bias results. Most people with Down syndrome go to school, graduate high school, and work as an adult. More and more people with Down syndrome are going to college, getting driver's licenses, and living independently. They get married and some even have children. People with Down syndrome will most likely never do drugs or commit a crime, which you can't say about typical people. So, while the 40k people in the US with Down syndrome may receive some assistance and support, that is quite a small "drain on society's resources" compared to the 2 million plus people who are in jail in the US. [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49314633]But is it ethical to let people with severe birth defects live their lives if they cannot live like normal people? IMO ISIS has a decent, although far-fetched idea, yet hitler-like execution.[/QUOTE] And living like "normal" people today is a good thing? The people that go into schools and shoot up kids are better than someone who functions a little slower than the average person? Really? Down syndrome is having an extra copy of the 21st chromosome. That's it. It doesn't mean anything specific. Some things are more likely than others, but most people with Down syndrome function comfortably among their peers with minor support. [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=apierce1289;49314750]I work with people that could basically qualify as not disabled which actually are disabled and very severely disabled individuals everyday. In my opinion it's simply because when you're a parent of a disabled person that is wheel chair bound and can't even speak or function the parent still treats the person like a child no matter what age they are. It turns into the parent doing it because it's what they want (selfishness IMO). They think that if they're happy with their offsprings quality of life that everything is okay. They don't actively try to be selfish but they seem to justify it because "they're doing the best they can with the cards they were given" so that the parent can feel okay about having a severely disabled child. All of which is supposedly done in their child's best interest. Which I do believe they have the best intentions but never consider what that person has to go through every day because it's their "normal". Honestly if I had the chance to test the genetics of an embryo before the gestational process began. I would not go through with anything further unless there were no genetic flaws. Not because I seek the perfect offspring in the future but because I seek the perfect future for my offspring. This is all hypothetical granted these tests keep advancing and become the normal thing to do. They're very expensive currently and not 100% accurate. The goal in the line of work I currently do is to provide disabled individuals with the highest quality of life possible. This sort of testing is controversial and probably won't put anyone in my line of work in jeopardy for many generations to come. And before one of you starts a pro life vs pro choice argument. I don't subscribe to either because if you argue for pro life than someone else can argue about a severely disabled persons future quality of life. And then if you argue pro choice someone else can argue what the implications a severely disabled person that basically would need to be tended to 24/7 would have on the family. Thus leading to divorce, regret, financial debt or burden and so on and so forth. Which may further degrade the individuals quality of life. Either way it's a very difficult discussion. Keep in mind that I'm talking about people that are so disabled that they're life consists basically of being wheel chair bound, being unable to talk, being fed by a gastrointestinal tube, and constantly drooling on yourself all day. And to add insult to injury if you're in their shoes and can comprehend what's happening. Everyone thinks you're "cute as a button" no matter what age you are and treats you like a child. And the most embarrassing part if I had to guess is that you can't even wipe your own ass or bathe yourself. And I'll end this by saying what kind of life is that if that were you?[/QUOTE] You get that there is absolutely 0 chance of your child having the perfect future, right? For starters, even if your child is perfect when born, anything can happen. They can develop autism, they can have a tramatic brain injury, develop cancer, etc., etc. They can grow up to be a drugged out prostitute, bank robber, or major criminal. You should really quit your job if that is your opinion of the people and the families of the people you work with because I would cringe if you were a care taker of my child in that position. Those families love their children, very unconditionally, and will do anything to help them lead the best life they are capable of leading. You have no freaking clue. Parents raise their children because they love their children and that's what parents do. We want our children to have the best life possible for them. Sometimes (okay, almost all the time) that is not the life you envision when you have your butterfly and rainbow dreams of a family. People are people and everyone is different and that's a good thing. People with severe disabilities tend to bring out the compassion in others like no one else can.
I think what we are labeling "Down syndrome", is really two separate disorders. People with Down syndrome usually live happy lives and should not be euthanized. This vegetative state disorder where someone spends their whole life as a prisoner in their own body and need someone else to enable their bodily functions is different. I could see euthanasia for an extreme circumstance like that, but not broadly applied to everyone with autism or Down syndrome etc. Until tests to predict medical disorders 100% accurately before birth, there's too much of a risk to end the life of somebody who would have lived a fulfilling life. In other words, the focus should be on preventing these genetic disorders from developing, instead of on trying to cure them after they happen.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;49313012]Real big surprise there. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but if the Islamic State is the die hard fundamentalist shithole that it's supposed to be haven't they gone against one of the basic Islamic tenants about taking care of the sick? Not to mention this should be considered worse than if not equal to abortion in their eyes.[/QUOTE] Daesh aren't real Muslims, never have and never will be. That answers this question.
[QUOTE=sltungle;49312166]Everyone's getting mad at this guy (and in all fairness, he worded this in the most assholey way possible), but I know plenty of people who have or do work with mentally retarded or otherwise challenged children (integration aides and the likes) and they've all at some point wondered whether or not it would just be kinder to let a lot of the kids die at birth because quality of life is virtually non-existent, and the families of these children wind up carrying a huge burden and suffer as a result. Now, for the most part, kids with Down's Syndrome don't fall under this category (their quality of life isn't too greatly diminished in general), but in general it's a point worth discussing.[/QUOTE] From a social darwinism standpoint it makes sense to kill everyone with defects at birth. It would effectively contribute to wiping out genetic diseases.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;49337077]Daesh aren't real Muslims, never have and never will be. That answers this question.[/QUOTE] This is a honest question but why aren't they 'real Muslims'? Isn't their position supported by the Koran, hadiths within the Koran, and Islamic scholars? Seems like a no true scotsman thing.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49337524]This is a honest question but why aren't they 'real Muslims'? Isn't their position supported by the Koran, hadiths within the Koran, and Islamic scholars? Seems like a no true scotsman thing.[/QUOTE] IIRC the Quran actually says to follow the laws of the country you reside in and be a good neighbor, much like the Bible.
[QUOTE=alexaz;49312075]Why does someone find it not OK to kill retarded children? They will not contribute to society, yet leech its resources. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - Swebonny))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Logically: I understand where your coming from. Emotionally: Fuck you.
[QUOTE=Oscario;49321146][video=youtube;hsgxheXCUTU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsgxheXCUTU[/video] ??? im getting mixed messages here[/QUOTE] That dude is most likely already dead by now.
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