Deputy Speaker in the Israeli Knesset: Move Gazans into concentration camps in the Sinai desert
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[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;45616905]You don't need to be a politician or history geek to see that Israel is turning into Third Reich 2.0.
And it's real fucking easy to defend your country when you get to sit comfy far away from Gaza. Arabs and Jews live normally in other cities of Israel, but with the Jews taking another twenty glances at anyone of a different race.
I don't even understand how you guys manage to get so racist this quickly. As a white tourist in Israel I literally felt like a black guy walking through a closed gate neighbourhood. Even the Israeli flight security implies you are a suicide bomber or a nazi with nearly every question.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure being white in Israel is one of the easiest things on Earth as long as you don't act like a total spaz.
Being white, and having been there numerous times.
[QUOTE=Seith;45616459]Are you giving me your interpretation or what I actually wrote? Respond to what I'm saying, or you have nothing else to say?
I'm not apologizing for Feiglin. I understand his mindset, furthermore, [B]I support it.[/B][/QUOTE]
And, people, we have our first Zionazi right here, or second?
it won't be too long before Israel goes full on Holocaust 2: Electric Boogaloo
okay this is fucked up and all but seriously nazi references are stupid and gross surely we can criticize israel without casually bringing up the holocaust or accusing them of being nazis??
[QUOTE=Seith;45616459]
I'm not apologizing for Feiglin. I understand his mindset, furthermore, I support it.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/british/apologist]You mean like[/url] [url=http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/apologist]an apologist would?[/url]
A little side note.
Before you can take a plane to Israel, Israeli security officers will question you about 50m from the gate. They will ask you why you are visiting Israel, who you are travelling with, the name and adress of the person you are meeting in Israel, and then a bunch of questions about your life;
What do you work as?
Do you like your job?
Are you satisfied with your life?
What religion do you live by?
Then a couple of control questions to check if you lied. They didn't like my answers(I travelled ahead of my family so I was probably a white nazi suicide vomber), so I was screened for explosives, told to point out my bag so they could go through it (Frankfurts xray wasn't good enough?) and then they reluctantly let me on.
It was way worse getting out of Israel...
It was sabbath, so no Jewish taxi drivers worked, and all highways were empty(first time I ever rode a taxi going 160 kmh). When we got to the airport, we were stopped by armed guards dressed like random fuck wits, as if they were chosen randomly out of a cheap private company. They noticed the Arab driver and didn't like that one bit.
They told the driver to open all the windows, and they got close to us and whispered and asked if everything was okay, if the driver sid anything to us and so on. After a while they let us through, and the driver told us that if he came to pick someone up, he would be put in a building for questioning, and pointed at a building built next to the guards building.
At the airport there was no nazi questionare, but because I used my deployment bag, my bag was scanned before I could check in.
Then I was told to open it and bring out specific items, and when done they added another tag to my bag and scanned my ticket. At that point I was tagged as a potential terror suspect. This meant that I would get pulled aside at every metal detector to be frisked and have my carryon scanned AND opened.
The good only thing was that I was the only neonazi suicide bomber flying out of Israel that day(what a coincidence), so the terrorist queue was literally empty. Every time I got in a long ass line, two people would pull me aside and tell me I needed to come with them, so for a quick molestation every now and then I got to skip every line. :v:
[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;45617066]A little side note.
Before you can take a plane to Israel, Israeli security officers will question you about 50m from the gate. They will ask you why you are visiting Israel, who you are travelling with, the name and adress of the person you are meeting in Israel, and then a bunch of questions about your life;
What do you work as?
Do you like your job?
Are you satisfied with your life?
What religion do you live by?
Then a couple of control questions to check if you lied. They didn't like my answers(I travelled ahead of my family so I was probably a white nazi suicide vomber), so I was screened for explosives, told to point out my bag so they could go through it (Frankfurts xray wasn't good enough?) and then they reluctantly let me on.
It was way worse getting out of Israel...
It was sabbath, so no Jewish taxi drivers worked, and all highways were empty(first time I ever rode a taxi going 160 kmh). When we got to the airport, we were stopped by armed guards dressed like random fuck wits, as if they were chosen randomly out of a cheap private company. They noticed the Arab driver and didn't like that one bit.
They told the driver to open all the windows, and they got close to us and whispered and asked if everything was okay, if the driver sid anything to us and so on. After a while they let us through, and the driver told us that if he came to pick someone up, he would be put in a building for questioning, and pointed at a building built next to the guards building.
At the airport there was no nazi questionare, but because I used my deployment bag, my bag was scanned before I could check in.
Then I was told to open it and bring out specific items, and when done they added another tag to my bag and scanned my ticket. At that point I was tagged as a potential terror suspect. This meant that I would get pulled aside at every metal detector to be frisked and have my carryon scanned AND opened.
The good only thing was that I was the only neonazi suicide bomber flying out of Israel that day(what a coincidence), so the terrorist queue was literally empty. Every time I got in a long ass line, two people would pull me aside and tell me I needed to come with them, so for a quick molestation every now and then I got to skip every line. :v:[/QUOTE]
Kind of sounds like US airport security.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45617018]okay this is fucked up and all but seriously nazi references are stupid and gross surely we can criticize israel without casually bringing up the holocaust or accusing them of being nazis??[/QUOTE]
Why? I mean they are so why set up artificial limits in our arguments?
[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;45617066]A little side note.
Before you can take a plane to Israel, Israeli security officers will question you about 50m from the gate. They will ask you why you are visiting Israel, who you are travelling with, the name and adress of the person you are meeting in Israel, and then a bunch of questions about your life;
What do you work as?
Do you like your job?
Are you satisfied with your life?
What religion do you live by?
Then a couple of control questions to check if you lied. They didn't like my answers(I travelled ahead of my family so I was probably a white nazi suicide vomber), so I was screened for explosives, told to point out my bag so they could go through it (Frankfurts xray wasn't good enough?) and then they reluctantly let me on.
It was way worse getting out of Israel...
It was sabbath, so no Jewish taxi drivers worked, and all highways were empty(first time I ever rode a taxi going 160 kmh). When we got to the airport, we were stopped by armed guards dressed like random fuck wits, as if they were chosen randomly out of a cheap private company. They noticed the Arab driver and didn't like that one bit.
They told the driver to open all the windows, and they got close to us and whispered and asked if everything was okay, if the driver sid anything to us and so on. After a while they let us through, and the driver told us that if he came to pick someone up, he would be put in a building for questioning, and pointed at a building built next to the guards building.
At the airport there was no nazi questionare, but because I used my deployment bag, my bag was scanned before I could check in.
Then I was told to open it and bring out specific items, and when done they added another tag to my bag and scanned my ticket. At that point I was tagged as a potential terror suspect. This meant that I would get pulled aside at every metal detector to be frisked and have my carryon scanned AND opened.
The good only thing was that I was the only neonazi suicide bomber flying out of Israel that day(what a coincidence), so the terrorist queue was literally empty. Every time I got in a long ass line, two people would pull me aside and tell me I needed to come with them, so for a quick molestation every now and then I got to skip every line. :v:[/QUOTE]
I can't speak of your experience but I mean honestly, my girlfriend was screened for explosives in San Francisco International because she had baby powder on her hands and I had to answer like 30 questions to cross the border of New York and Canada
Security is pretty ridiculous these days.
[QUOTE=Monkah;45616930]I'm pretty sure being white in Israel is one of the easiest things on Earth as long as you don't act like a total spaz.
Being white, and having been there numerous times.[/QUOTE]
People who go there often are usually pretty obviously there for religious reasons though. At any conversation with security officials they would mention the holy land or stuff like that and there would be no problem.
It's like whispering fucking hail hydra or showing your freemason ring.
[editline]7th August 2014[/editline]
US airport security is pretty strict, but Israeli security insists you have a bomb somewhere even after the third pat down.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;45617083]Why? I mean they are so why set up artificial limits in our arguments?[/QUOTE]
well let's see, israel isn't trying to take over the world, israel isn't putting palestinians into camps for the express reason to exterminate them, israel is a democracy not a fascist dictatorship. it's a stupid comparison, and it's insensitive and gross to compare jewish people/israelis to the group that tried to exterminate all jewish people (many of whom will have grandparents or grandgrandparents who were affected by the holocaust AND also have nothing to do with this extremist rhetoric re: conquering gaza)
It's kinda hard not to Godwin when a country starts talking about putting a race into camps until they know what to do with them.
[QUOTE=Seith;45616459]Are you giving me your interpretation or what I actually wrote? Respond to what I'm saying, or you have nothing else to say?
I'm not apologizing for Feiglin. I understand his mindset, furthermore, I support it.[/QUOTE]
I appreciate your refreshing bluntness but that doesn't quite make up for the fact you are an abjectly awful person.
Israel : The New Order
[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;45617139]It's kinda hard not to Godwin when a country starts talking about putting a race into camps until they know what to do with them.[/QUOTE]
it's easy when you consider this is 1 guy saying this, yes he probably has support but am i going to call you a nazi next time i see something about norwegian right wingers wanting to get rid of immigrants? trust me it's very easy to criticize israel without copping out with pseudo-ironic crap about nazi's
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45617151]it's easy when you consider this is 1 guy saying this, yes he probably has support but am i going to call you a nazi next time i see something about norwegian right wingers wanting to get rid of immigrants? trust me it's very easy to criticize israel without copping out with pseudo-ironic crap about nazi's[/QUOTE]
if a norwegian politician said that norway should put all of the immigrants into concentration camps then yes, I think you would be justified in calling him and the people subordinate to him nazis
[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;45617066]A little side note.
Before you can take a plane to Israel, Israeli security officers will question you about 50m from the gate. They will ask you why you are visiting Israel, who you are travelling with, the name and adress of the person you are meeting in Israel, and then a bunch of questions about your life;
What do you work as?
Do you like your job?
Are you satisfied with your life?
What religion do you live by?
Then a couple of control questions to check if you lied. They didn't like my answers(I travelled ahead of my family so I was probably a white nazi suicide vomber), so I was screened for explosives, told to point out my bag so they could go through it (Frankfurts xray wasn't good enough?) and then they reluctantly let me on.
It was way worse getting out of Israel...
It was sabbath, so no Jewish taxi drivers worked, and all highways were empty(first time I ever rode a taxi going 160 kmh). When we got to the airport, we were stopped by armed guards dressed like random fuck wits, as if they were chosen randomly out of a cheap private company. They noticed the Arab driver and didn't like that one bit.
They told the driver to open all the windows, and they got close to us and whispered and asked if everything was okay, if the driver sid anything to us and so on. After a while they let us through, and the driver told us that if he came to pick someone up, he would be put in a building for questioning, and pointed at a building built next to the guards building.
At the airport there was no nazi questionare, but because I used my deployment bag, my bag was scanned before I could check in.
Then I was told to open it and bring out specific items, and when done they added another tag to my bag and scanned my ticket. At that point I was tagged as a potential terror suspect. This meant that I would get pulled aside at every metal detector to be frisked and have my carryon scanned AND opened.
The good only thing was that I was the only neonazi suicide bomber flying out of Israel that day(what a coincidence), so the terrorist queue was literally empty. Every time I got in a long ass line, two people would pull me aside and tell me I needed to come with them, so for a quick molestation every now and then I got to skip every line. :v:[/QUOTE]
Cool story bro.
I actually got pretty much the same treatment when entering the USA. After being moved to the special line for people from the Middle East. My wife got screamed at for not putting her bag in the screening machine fast enough.
Airport security generally sucks when you don't have an EU passport and are in Europe.
Also, plenty of taxi drivers are Arab. Probably most, in some areas. Most Jewish taxi drivers, like most Jewish drivers in general, drive on Saturday.
The guards at the airport gate check pretty much all cars entering, and especially taxis. The airport is a preferred bombing target, so security there is very strict.
[QUOTE=Sailor Mars;45616721]shitpost[/QUOTE]
You can tell he's trying so hard to be relevant when he's posting a long, bad joke in a news section of an internet forum.
Taking a stab at this is .. hard. Because on the one hand, the guy is wrong but on the other hand he speaks for the hypocritical part of this country and the asshole part of the religious community. (Israel is in a divide after all, some people live in the 21st century and some people don't) It is hard to take him seriously primarily because he goes against a lot of the democratic values Israel is based on. Israel defines itself as a democratic jewish country.
The jewish part often comes first, sure, but the democratic part is far from neglected. Like, a person that conducted hate rallies in Tel Aviv against the arabs that ran a facebook page was arrested and in it's place there is now a movement that preaches the exact opposite, in order to reverse the damage. This was recent and posted here before.
I really hope Israel will change for the better in the near future, like the example above.
(Also, please don't be stupid and summarize the post at 'Israel is good/bad in my opinion' because it does not work that way. Thanks!)
It should be noted that Feiglin is the radical right's fifth columnist in the Likud. In order to get political power for the right wing movement he started he had a few thousands of his followers (an incredibly small percentage of the general population) sign up for the Likud party, then had them elect him to a position of power in the primaries.
Because most sane people no longer register to specific parties and vote in primaries he holds unproportionally large power inside the Likud, and has been wielding it since to try and take over the party.
So far he has been held back by Netanyahu mostly due to Netanyahu's control of the party's ruling "court" which allows him to block Feiglin with various legal excuses.
If all else fails, Netanyahu will probably either try to disband the party's primaries system, or leave the party like Sharon before him and start a new one with no primaries, relaying on public support to keep him as the head of one of Israel's strongest parties.
On the other hand, if Feiglin takes control of the Likud, due to the much less support he gets in the general Israeli public, the party will become marginalized or altogether disappear.
I wonder how many more columnists/politicians we'll see calling to annex Gaza as lebensraum.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;45618674]I wonder how many more columnists/politicians we'll see calling to annex Gaza as lebensraum.[/QUOTE]
At least one every day, if Lamar and Starpluck have anything to do with it.
How many columnists/politicians will you see calling for a diplomatic solution or even peace, though?
Because I could spam the SH forums with no less opinion pieces expressing other views.
You can see some samples I posted [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1415291&p=45608115#post45608115"]here[/URL].
Of course, opinion pieces aren't actually news, and I'll probably get banned.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45618849]At least one every day, if Lamar and Starpluck have anything to do with it.
How many columnists/politicians will you see calling for a diplomatic solution or even peace, though?
Because I could spam the SH forums with no less opinion pieces expressing other views.
You can see some samples I posted above.
Of course, opinion pieces aren't actually news, and I'll probably get banned.[/QUOTE]
a senior politician tweeting isn't really a columnist opinion piece though
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;45618860]a senior politician tweeting isn't really a columnist opinion piece though[/QUOTE]
So you're saying I [B]should[/B] start posting all non hawkish opinion pieces I find by Israeli politicians?
this thread isn't an opinion piece though
[QUOTE=Gentry;45618916]this thread isn't an opinion piece though[/QUOTE]
No, it was a facebook post.
[QUOTE]A senior Israeli politician has called for the “conquest of the entire Gaza Strip” and the deportation of Palestinians to make way for Jewish settlers.
Moshe Feiglin, the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset and a member of the governing Likud party, outlined his plans [B]in an open letter to Benjamin Netanyahu published on Facebook[/B].[/QUOTE]
[editline]7th August 2014[/editline]
Okay, hang on. Before this goes any further, are you saying that tweets and facebook posts by politicians are [B]more [/B]newsworthy than opinion pieces they write? Am I missing something here? Should I start posting tweets from more moderate Israeli politicians?
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45618950]No, it was a facebook post.[/QUOTE]
No its a news story about recent dangerous rhetoric in the Israeli government.
The original source for the news was something a government member's postings.
If we just posted the facebook post directly, that would be what you claim. But it isn't so stop pretending this isn't news.
If there was a news story about how Obama went nuts and wrote "Hilary Clinton is actually a lizard man" on the wall of the oval office in how own shit, you can't claim it to be an opinion piece just because its what Obama wrote. Simple. I hope you understand.
[h=1]Right-wing Israeli politician calls for Gazans to be ’concentrated in camps’ – and then all resistance ‘exterminated’[/h]
is a valid news story, not an opinion piece.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45618950]
Okay, hang on. Before this goes any further, are you saying that tweets and facebook posts by politicians are [B]more [/B]newsworthy than opinion pieces they write? Am I missing something here?[/QUOTE]
I don't really care what journalists think with their opinion pieces. I do care about what higher up, elected politicians think.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45618967]No its a news story about recent dangerous rhetoric in the Israeli government.[/QUOTE]
This. It's a glimpse into what some of the more extreme members of the Knesset think. They've been saying this kind of shit for years when they thought they weren't on record, but it's interest to see them tweet it publicly.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45618950]Should I start posting tweets from more moderate Israeli politicians?[/QUOTE]
Feel free, it could be interesting.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45618967]No its a news story about recent dangerous rhetoric in the Israeli government.
The original source for the news was something a government member's postings.
If we just posted the facebook post directly, that would be what you claim. But it isn't so stop pretending this isn't news.
If there was a news story about how Obama went nuts and wrote "Hilary Clinton is actually a lizard man" on the wall of the oval office in how own shit, you can't claim it to be an opinion piece just because its what Obama wrote. Simple. I hope you understand.
[h=1]Right-wing Israeli politician calls for Gazans to be ’concentrated in camps’ – and then all resistance ‘exterminated’[/h]
is a valid news story, not an opinion piece.[/QUOTE]
So again, why is a right wing Israeli politician's insane facebook ramblings newsworthy, but, say, a high ranking minister's call [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4548716,00.html"]against racism, violence and incitement[/URL] isn't?
And please don't pretend this is the only crazy Israeli opinion piece/post/whatever posted here. It is yet another attempt by team LamarPluck to paint Israeli policy as dictated by borderline psychos when in reality they are just cherry picking the craziest of voices out of the very wide spectrum of voices in Israeli discourse.
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