Deputy Speaker in the Israeli Knesset: Move Gazans into concentration camps in the Sinai desert - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45619116] And please don't pretend this is the only crazy Israeli opinion piece/post/whatever posted here. It is yet another attempt by team LamarPluck to [B]paint Israeli policy as dictated by borderline psychos[/B] when in reality they are just cherry picking the craziest of voices out of the [B]very wide spectrum of voices in Israeli discourse.[/B][/QUOTE] Israel is a democracy with lots of voices and opinions, but it can only have one government with one path at a time. It would be a bit silly to point to the chorus of politicians calling for an end to the violence and say that is how Israel should be represented when the Israeli government and the IDF are busy killing and injuring thousands of people. The fact that an elected, senior member of parliament thinks that Gaza should be depopulated, bombed to dust, annexed and replaced with a new ethnically homogeneous city is definitely news.

[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45619116]So again, why is a right wing Israeli politician's insane facebook ramblings newsworthy, but, say, a high ranking minister's call [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4548716,00.html"]against racism, violence and incitement[/URL] isn't? And please don't pretend this is the only crazy Israeli opinion piece/post/whatever posted here. It is yet another attempt by team LamarPluck to paint Israeli policy as dictated by borderline psychos when in reality they are just cherry picking the craziest of voices out of the very wide spectrum of voices in Israeli discourse.[/QUOTE] waa waa waa why don't you fucking post stories about it then rather than try and handwave real awful stories about Israeli politicians aside as nothing. Plus if you actually read the news article you would have seen: [quote]hundreds of people took to the comments below condemning Mr Feiglin’s letter. Many came from people abroad denouncing Israel’s wider actions in Gaza but several Israelis wrote of their disgust. One Israeli wrote in Hebrew: “You're talking nonsense and preaching genocide. “I am ashamed that you are a member of my parliament, shamed and horrified by your stupidity and your murderous fervour.”[/quote] so stop being pathetic

[QUOTE=Seith;45616704]My point. You've never been here. Hypocrisy. Also, I live in reality, it just seems you don't like it so it turns out I'm crazy.[/QUOTE] I don't think you know what the word 'hypocrisy' means. You want to know what hypocrisy is? Israel making concentration camps. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;45617119]well let's see, israel isn't trying to take over the world, israel isn't putting palestinians into camps for the express reason to exterminate them, israel is a democracy not a fascist dictatorship. it's a stupid comparison, and it's insensitive and gross to compare jewish people/israelis to the group that tried to exterminate all jewish people (many of whom will have grandparents or grandgrandparents who were affected by the holocaust AND also have nothing to do with this extremist rhetoric re: conquering gaza)[/QUOTE] The Nazis' original plan wasn't to exterminate the Jews, but rather to move them somewhere else. They [I]did[/I] move to exterminating them after their plans to deport them failed, which hopefully won't happen to the Palestinians. Israel does have lots of allies, but on the other hand, I'm not sure who would accept the Palestinians, seeing as how even neighboring Arab countries don't want them. I'm not going to be surprised if a bunch of them end up dying for some reason. Provided that Israel actually ends up doing this plan, of course. They probably won't.

[QUOTE=Last or First;45619180]IThe Nazis' original plan wasn't to exterminate the Jews, but rather to move them somewhere else. They [I]did[/I] move to exterminating them after their plans to deport them failed, which hopefully won't happen to the Palestinians. Israel does have lots of allies, but on the other hand, I'm not sure who would accept the Palestinians, seeing as how even neighboring Arab countries don't want them. I'm not going to be surprised if a bunch of them end up dying for some reason. Provided that Israel actually ends up doing this plan, of course. They probably won't.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Its why its called the Final Solution. Because the original solutions was to simply force the Jews out of Nazi Germany, once they realized that wasn't feasible (just like how it wouldn't be feasible in this case) they started actively and aggressively exterminating.

[QUOTE=Last or First;45619180] The Nazis' original plan wasn't to exterminate the Jews, but rather to move them somewhere else. They [I]did[/I] move to exterminating them after their plans to deport them failed, which hopefully won't happen to the Palestinians. Israel does have lots of allies, but on the other hand, I'm not sure who would accept the Palestinians, seeing as how even neighboring Arab countries don't want them. I'm not going to be surprised if a bunch of them end up dying for some reason. Provided that Israel actually ends up doing this plan, of course. They probably won't.[/QUOTE] It's not going to happen. It's the rhetoric that is concerning, that's it.

I rather not spam the forums with a new thread for each article, so here are a few more opinions: [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4548716,00.html"]This one[/URL], as I meantioned before, is from one of the most high ranking ministers in the government and head of Israel's largest party: [QUOTE]Real Israeli discourse, which is shared by 99% of residents, isn't filled with hatred towards one's fellowman, doesn't silence people, and knows how to agree even when it's okay not to agree.[/QUOTE] Israel's justice minister [URL="http://www.timesofisrael.com/livni-calls-for-action-against-homegrown-terrorism/"]calls for action[/URL] against Israeli terrorists: [QUOTE]“We must not become confused. We must not let any citizen take the law into his own hands, even in the most difficult moments,” she said at a conference of the Israel Bar Association in Eilat.[/QUOTE] Israel's outgoing president [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/shimon-peres-israels-outgoing-president-is-saying-farewell-to-his-american-partners/2014/06/24/deae152b-5b34-4cfb-bb6c-b4404a7a01fe_story.html"]still hopeful about the peace process[/URL]: [QUOTE]But Peres heaped praise on Abbas. “When you look for a candidate who can be your partner, he is your man,” Peres said of Abbas, who is 79 and beginning to wind down his own public career. “We are old, and we are friends,” Peres said, when asked if the two were close. Abbas has shown true courage, Peres said. Even if Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu disagrees.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like they're all being critical of Israeli hardliners too. I don't think I've seen you been critical of Israeli hardliners though.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45619489]Sounds like they're all being critical of Israeli hardliners too. I don't think I've seen you been critical of Israeli hardliners though.[/QUOTE] Obviously you haven't read every single one of my posts. I'm a little disappointed. Let me make this perfectly clear: I do not support this government. It is composed of various levels of shitheads, from useless poseurs like Lapid to slimy politicians like Netanyahu all the way up to rabid right wing lunatics like Bennet and Lieberman. I didn't vote for any of them, I do not support their actions and I hold them responsible for this war and every single death it brought, both ours and the Palestinians, due to their policy of inaction and active belligerence- trying to preserve the status-quo while avoiding any progress in the peace process on one hand and actively damaging it on the other with the continued building in the settlements and pointless military actions against everyone else. Fuck them all. Critical enough for you?

I don't know. When ever I see a thread about UKIP doing or saying something terrible I'm normally straight there registering my disgust and reminding everyone outside of the UK how embarrassing it all is. I don't do what you do and go straight to defending or handwaving it as nothing. I think you're suffering from an image problem.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45619580]I don't know. When ever I see a thread about UKIP doing or saying something terrible I'm normally straight there registering my disgust and reminding everyone outside of the UK how embarrassing it all is. I don't do what you do and go straight to defending or handwaving it as nothing. I think you're suffering from an image problem.[/QUOTE] No, but as much as I oppose the government and the war, I'm more opposed to the image some posters here are trying to create of Israel as a proto-Nazi entity dedicated to the annihilation of Palestinians and general awfulness. Yes, we have terrible politicians and we are involved in a terrible war. No, this is not the worst war ever, nor even the worst war currently being fought by a western nation. Yet only Israel gets multiple posts here every day hand picked to paint us all as murderous savages. Look, one of my brothers just got back from serving there. He's a leftist and a vegan. If I know one thing is that regardless of what he had to do there, he sure as hell didn't mow down innocent civilians for shits and giggles. Nor did anyone else I know who served or is serving in the IDF. They're just people that have to be soldiers some times. My other brother is a human rights activist. He collects testimonies from soldiers about military atrocities and the occupation. So yes, I do know bad shit happens, and the occupation is generally speaking one big horrible things that needs to stop. But nothing he told me makes me believe there's an official policy of intentionally killing lots and lots of innocents for some reason, nor that most soldiers would play along with something like that. Wan't to debate policy? Discuss specific wrong doings? I'm right there with you. But regardless of my opinions on the government of Israel's and its action I will keep opposing this smear campaign of skewed reports, half truths and wild accusations meant only to paint us as the world's worst people. We don't suck that much, and fuck you for constantly trying to prove it.

persecution complex

Now that's just foul play. Lost all credit.

ScumBunny- Posting an opinion piece is not allowed because no one cares about speculation from Joe The Blogger. Posting an opinion piece from a high-ranking individual that calls for genocide is allowed; that is news. The official merely used an opinion column as a [I]medium[/I] to declare his statements. There would be no difference between Netanyahu saying "I hate all Arabs" in response to a question posed by YNet or if he said it in a YNet opinion column. The mere fact someone in a position or someone who recently was in a position that ultimately shapes Israeli policy makes such declarative statements is what constitutes it as news.

[QUOTE=Seith;45619782]Now that's just foul play. Lost all credit.[/QUOTE] From the guy who supports ethnically cleansing Gaza and moving the Palestinians into concentration camps, this is funny. Your credibility is not worth having, thanks. Even Monkah and ScumBunny are arguing as if you weren't posting in this thread. When both Monkah and I rate you the same way, that means something.

[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;45613669]Its strange for a country known for being Predominantly Jewish for someone to condone Concentration Camps. Especially as someone who is into Politics.[/QUOTE] Oh please, the concept of a concentration camp is ages-old and nothing like the Nazi death camps - and you all know that, deep down.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45619785]ScumBunny- Posting an opinion piece is not allowed because no one cares about speculation from Joe The Blogger. Posting an opinion piece from a high-ranking individual that calls for genocide is allowed; that is news. The official merely used an opinion column as a [I]medium[/I] to declare his statements. There would be no difference between Netanyahu saying "I hate all Arabs" in response to a question posed by YNet or if he said it in a YNet opinion column. The mere fact someone in a position or someone who recently was in a position that ultimately shapes Israeli policy makes such declarative statements is what constitutes it as news.[/QUOTE] Opinion pieces in general shouldn't even be allowed, as least, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;45619872]From the guy who supports ethnically cleansing Gaza and moving the Palestinians into concentration camps, this is funny. Your credibility is not worth having, thanks. Even Monkah and ScumBunny are arguing as if you weren't posting in this thread. When both Monkah and I rate you the same way, that means something.[/QUOTE]While providing Palestinians refuge in alternate locations to get them out of the warzone is actually a good idea, but the fucking Sinai desert? Really? Out of all the places we could provide them as refuge, we want to place innocents in the damn desert? I'm all for evacuating people the fuck out of there, but throwing them into the Sinai Desert is a cruel idea.

Throwing in the desert? Refuge? They are living in a concentration camp right now with an iron first called Hamas. It's just the way he convey his idea is very crude. It's an idea. 'concentration camp', call it whatever you want, it's a fucking solution to something that hasn't been solved and probably isn't going to be.

[QUOTE=Seith;45621834]Throwing in the desert? Refuge? They are living in a concentration camp right now with an iron first called Hamas. It's just the way he convey his idea is very crude. It's an idea. 'concentration camp', call it whatever you want, it's a fucking solution to something that hasn't been solved and probably isn't going to be.[/QUOTE] i didn't know district 9 was a documentary

i didn't know they sell cynicism on the market that cheap.

[QUOTE=Seith;45621947]i didn't know they sell cynicism on the market that cheap.[/QUOTE] I'm a cynic?

[QUOTE=Gentry;45621938]i didn't know district 9 was a documentary[/QUOTE] Surprisingly, it kinda is. [QUOTE]Like Alive in Joburg, the short film on which the feature film is based, the setting of District 9 is inspired by historical events during the apartheid era, particularly alluding to District Six, an inner-city residential area in Cape Town, declared a "whites only" area by the government in 1966, with 60,000 people forcibly removed to Cape Flats, 25 km (15 mi) away.[8] The film also refers to contemporary evictions and forced removals to suburban ghettos in post-apartheid South Africa, as well as the resistance of its residents. This includes the high profile attempted forced removal of the Joe Slovo informal settlement in Cape Town to temporary relocation areas in Delft, plus the attempted evictions of Abahlali baseMjondolo [B]and evictions in the shack settlement, Chiawelo, where the film was actually shot[/B].[/QUOTE] Supposedly the shack settlement was supposed to be abandoned when they started filming, but the residents really did refuse to evict and are the actual people seen in the background. From [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_9#Themes"]here[/URL].