[QUOTE=Drachenfels;31646019]What is fantastically lazy is you not capitalizing your sentences ;).
There is no reason as to why everyone is angry. They WERE angry, the real people that wanted an answers, but these scum took advantage of the police's leniency of the rising tension and began to go and steal and destroy. They aren't even destroying anything of value to what they are "angry" at. They're just destroying local shops and residential buildings owned by their very own neighbors. They ARE uneducated scum and don't you tell me of my ignorance of what it's like to be that either. [B]People that are educated would have the sense to not destroy the place in which they go to buy their food or even the place they live in for their own personal gain.[/B] That is what you aren't getting. We can all assume that these dumbfucks are uneducated based on their actions. Now for employment, I doubt that has anything to do with said riots seeing as people with a job or not would riot or not if they were dumb enough too.[/QUOTE]
the riots are because British people are pissed off at [I]everything[/I]. They may be uneducated and poor, but it's not just opportunism, it's people venting anger and decades of negative change or no change at all. It's a bad way of venting, no doubt but employment has a [I]lot[/I] to do with it, so does social mobility, tuition fees, and many other things.
YouGov's released a poll about the riots!
Most interestingly
[quote]Asked if the police should be able to use various tactics in response to riots provoked some pretty gung ho responses – 90% of people thought they should be able to use water cannon, 84% mounted police, 82% curfews, 78% tear gas, 72% tasers, 65% plastic bullets, 33% live ammunition. 77% thought that the army should be brought in.[/quote]
[url]http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/3843[/url]
[QUOTE=thisispain;31646025]yes because they also interviewed all the rioters and not the ones that would make a delightful story.
complacency is also idiocy in another respect, writing off the rioters as simple idiots would be a giant mistake.
one that i wouldn't not even put above the coalition.[/QUOTE]
So you are saying that they are organised and that this isn't just random violence, vandalism and theft? You can see by the targets that they aren't trying to spread a message or prove a point. It doesn't even matter if they are uneducated or unemployed and assuming that makes little to no difference to resolving this.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31646025]yes because they also interviewed all the rioters and not the ones that would make a delightful story.
complacency is also idiocy in another respect, writing off the rioters as simple idiots would be a giant mistake.
one that i wouldn't not even put above the coalition.
[editline]10th August 2011[/editline]
oh that's a load of bullshit. there's a huge amount of reasons to be angry and the lower you go down the class chain the more they become.
in their situation you'd probably riot because you're a human and don't differ from them in any other aspect. in the end this is just a bunch of humans calling other humans scum.
but you're all scum, might as well get over how scummy you are and try to fix the problems so people aren't so scum in the future.[/QUOTE]
Now you're just talking about why people are angry in GENERAL. We aren't talking about that. These riots started off as something that was peacefully being addressed too when losers took advantage of the situation and turned it into a playground for their emotions that which they're too stupid to verbalize as a complaint that would make a difference. The matter of the fact is, it doesn't matter what they're angry at. The fact that they can't feed their kids, the fact that they're poor, or that they don't have a job. THESE RIOTS AREN'T HELPING. They're creating more problems.
When did they EVER turn this riot into some sort of venting grounds? It never was. It's just people taking advantage of the situation. Why aren't they just joining together to "verbalize their problems" to the fucking government themselves? Not a local bakery or some shit. That is not justifiable and the fact that you think it is makes you an idiot.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31645870]the rioting is the most callous and outward way of describing frustration and it's certainly not limited to the lower class.
the unemployed and uneducated cannot be summed up as people in such a stupid way and shows off how much you are unaware of what it is like to be unemployed and uneducated.
trust me, we would certainly not riot nor steal all the time if we could. such a thing would be tiring.
[editline]10th August 2011[/editline]
which is fantastically lazy because you aren't even taking the time to understand why anyone is angry, just going "nope they're underprivileged"[/QUOTE]
It's not because they're underprivileged, I'm underprivileged but I don't go looting and rioting because of it. Most of them aren't even angry, they just want to smash stuff up and steal things.
I know the kind of people that I'm talking about. I live in the middle of a shithole filled with chavs and gypsies who have no concept of ownership. What do they care if somebody's business and livelihood is destroyed for no real reason? They can go on the dole, right?
The only real difference between me and most of people rioting is that I have standards. I didn't want to sit on my ass all my life, so I struggled against the system to get myself as good an education as I could get and then get a job.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;31646092]"33% live ammunition"
"77% thought that the army should be brought in"
England what the fuck are you even doing holy shit[/QUOTE]
We have a habit of grossly overreacting and letting our emotions cloud the correct and just procedure
[QUOTE=squids_eye;31646082]So you are saying that they are organised and that this isn't just random violence, vandalism and theft? You can see by the targets that they aren't trying to spread a message or prove a point. It doesn't even matter if they are uneducated or unemployed and assuming that makes little to no difference to resolving this.[/QUOTE]
no violence or vandalism or theft is truly random. it all has a root cause and to ignore that is a BIG mistake. this riot has a root cause and just to wish for all the rioters to drop dead is a GIANT mistake.
the worse this riot is dealt with, the worse the riots in the future will be. how long exactly does the UK expect to continue its broken ways? till there are no more people left to riot?
Keep hearing rumours on facebook about organised riots in my home town, Norwich.
Can't wait, terrific...
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;31646096]It's not because they're underprivileged, I'm underprivileged but I don't go looting and rioting because of it. Most of them aren't even angry, they just want to smash stuff up and steal things.
I know the kind of people that I'm talking about. I live in the middle of a shithole filled with chavs and gypsies who have no concept of ownership. What do they care if somebody's business and livelihood is destroyed for no real reason? They can go on the dole, right?
The only real difference between me and most of people rioting is that I have standards. I didn't want to sit on my ass all my life, so I struggled against the system to get myself as good an education as I could get and then get a job.[/QUOTE]
not everyone can afford a decent quality education, if you attend an inner city comprehensive you're way less likely to get ahead, and uni is unfairly expensive now. combine that with the worst social mobility in the first world, and 3rd generation unemployed people, and you get to see how people might be frustrated and annoyed.
[QUOTE=Drachenfels;31646089]Why aren't they just joining together to "verbalize their problems" to the fucking government themselves?[/QUOTE]
because that hasn't worked. someone was elected on the basis that they wouldn't raise tuition fees and that was a lie.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;31646107]We have a habit of grossly overreacting and letting our emotions cloud the correct and just procedure[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's called being human. Anger tends to breed aggression.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31646025]yes because they also interviewed all the rioters and not the ones that would make a delightful story.
complacency is also idiocy in another respect, writing off the rioters as simple idiots would be a giant mistake.
one that i wouldn't not even put above the coalition.
[editline]10th August 2011[/editline]
oh that's a load of bullshit. there's a huge amount of reasons to be angry and the lower you go down the class chain the more they become.
in their situation you'd probably riot because you're a human and don't differ from them in any other aspect. in the end this is just a bunch of humans calling other humans scum.
but you're all scum, might as well get over how scummy you are and try to fix the problems so people aren't so scum in the future.[/QUOTE]
they interviewed a load of the rioters, most of them just wanted free stuff. Hell I've even heard a few reports of people who have perfectly good jobs joining it.
Also this only really applies too the looters, there were plenty of people destroying things for the sake of destroying things.
Can we call this the Blackberry Revolution please?
I don't think you people are getting the point.
The riot has nothing to do with how mad people are with their government or what not. They're just scumbags taking advantage of the situation. Do not tell me they have a "root cause" because the only root cause I see is them wanting to get 50 copies of Shrek 3 to sell on eBay. If they genuinely had a problem wouldn't they band together to destroy what would actual be beneficial to relaying their message to the people that can make it happen? Why the local stores?
Right now, they're just making themselves look dumb.
this attitude towards the rioters will only make matters far more worse and i hope for england's sake that the UK government will have more sense than people who wish the rioters would be shot in the streets.
something's obviously gone very wrong and no amount of name-calling will fix it. one day when it gets bad enough you'll do the same horrible things and don't be naive enough to deny that.
[editline]10th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Drachenfels;31646176]
The riot has nothing to do with how mad people are with their government or what not. They're just scumbags taking advantage of the situation. Do not tell me they have a "root cause" because the only root cause I see is them wanting to get 50 copies of Shrek 3 to sell on eBay. [/QUOTE]
the question you have to ask yourself is why are they willing to break into a store and risk their lives for 50 copies of Shrek 3?
[QUOTE=Drachenfels;31646176]I don't think you people are getting the point.
The riot has nothing to do with how mad people are with their government or what not. They're just scumbags taking advantage of the situation. Do not tell me they have a "root cause" because the only root cause I see is them wanting to get 50 copies of Shrek 3 to sell on eBay. If they genuinely had a problem wouldn't they band together to destroy what would actual be beneficial to relaying their message to the people that can make it HAPPEN? Why the local stores? They're just fucking piranhas biting at each other.[/QUOTE]
no they wouldn't band together, banding together does fuck all in England. Hell this will do fuck all but it's a lot more high profile fuck all. The people that can make it happen have purposefully gone against making it happen, so it seems a bit redundant to address them
[QUOTE=thisispain;31646111]no violence or vandalism or theft is truly random. it all has a root cause and to ignore that is a BIG mistake. this riot has a root cause and just to wish for all the rioters to drop dead is a GIANT mistake.
the worse this riot is dealt with, the worse the riots in the future will be. how long exactly does the UK expect to continue its broken ways? till there are no more people left to riot?[/QUOTE]
Funny how people don't say this when the BNP protest. I'm not siding with them, just saying.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31646186]
the question you have to ask yourself is why are they willing to break into a store and risk their lives for 50 copies of Shrek 3?[/QUOTE]
Because they can?
[QUOTE=thisispain;31646134]because that hasn't worked. someone was elected on the basis that they wouldn't raise tuition fees and that was a lie.[/QUOTE]
I don't remember the tories saying they wouldn't increase tuition fees? Am I wrong?
[QUOTE=thisispain;31646134]because that hasn't worked. someone was elected on the basis that they wouldn't raise tuition fees and that was a lie.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the rioters are angry Lib Dem voters. In fact I don't think many of them voted at all, or want to go to university anyway. Many of them aren't old enough to vote.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31646216]Because they can?[/QUOTE]
no anyone could break into a store, a specific mindset is needed to actually do it.
that's the REAL problem behind these riots. why are people willing to break and loot things at great risks to themselves?
[editline]10th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jallen;31646227]I don't remember the tories saying they wouldn't increase tuition fees? Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]
certainly nick clegg was elected on that basis, would explain all his angry voters.
[QUOTE=Jallen;31646227]I don't remember the tories saying they wouldn't increase tuition fees? Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]
only reason tories got in was because the lib dems sided with them
only reason lib dems got so many votes was because students and parents believed the whole tuition fees thing
lib dems lied, sided with tories instead of labour, now tuition fees are raised.
[QUOTE=smurfy;31646249]I don't think the rioters are angry Lib Dem voters. In fact I don't think many of them voted at all, or want to go to university anyway. Many of them aren't old enough to vote.[/QUOTE]
what you think is barely of any consequence to reality.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31646255]no anyone could break into a store, a specific mindset is needed to actually do it.
that's the REAL problem behind these riots. why are people willing to break and loot things at great risks to themselves?
[editline]10th August 2011[/editline]
certainly nick clegg was elected on that basis, would explain all his angry voters.[/QUOTE]
Because they don't feel they are at great risk, the fact that rioters can charge towards riot police and cause them too retreat shows this.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31646186]the question you have to ask yourself is why are they willing to break into a store and risk their lives for 50 copies of Shrek 3?[/QUOTE]
Because there are no immediate consqeuences, they are stupid and have little consideration of the long term effects of their actions.
I am almost certain this is just about them being opportunistic and getting as much fun and looting out of it as possible.
From what I've gathered most of the protestors are teenagers. They have no goal except chaos and possibly just to disregard authority because they don't like it.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;31646132]not everyone can afford a decent quality education, if you attend an inner city comprehensive you're way less likely to get ahead, and uni is unfairly expensive now. combine that with the worst social mobility in the first world, and 3rd generation unemployed people, and you get to see how people might be frustrated and annoyed.[/QUOTE]
The problem is most of these people don't even try. Even if they fail at gcse's the first time most cities, especially the big ones which have the rioting in them, have colleges which they can attend for free to take B-techs, level 1 or 2 qualifications or retake their gcse's. Even though they can't get EMA anymore you can still get benefits to cover travel costs if your household income is below a certain threshold. There are obviously some cases where this isn't possible, but that doesn't mean they have to resort to crime.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;31646211]no they wouldn't band together, banding together does fuck all in England. Hell this will do fuck all but it's a lot more high profile fuck all. The people that can make it happen have purposefully gone against making it happen, so it seems a bit redundant to address them[/QUOTE]
Oh hey guys, I am not happy with my current situation (even though the riot has nothing to do with the general peoples' problems) I am going to destroy my neighbor's movie store he's been running for 10 years who is also having many problems!
Hey friend, why did you wreck my movie store and steal all my movies?
Uhhhh...IT'S THE GOVERNMENT! I'M SICK OF IT! I HATE THEM! I NEVER HAVE MONEY! NO JOB, NO FOOD, I HATE IT!
Why did you destr--
Well, anyways, I'm going to go back to stealing and destroying things. Bye friend!
Wait, why don't we just tear down at the thing that is making us angry like, I don't know, Buckingham Palace? That should give us the attention we need to get our problems fixed and spread a clear message at who we're angry at.
Yeah, nah...
Well, I'm going to assume you're an uneducated, piece of shit. Good bye, sir.
[QUOTE=Drachenfels;31646288]Oh hey guys, I am not happy with my current situation (even though the riot has nothing to do with the general peoples' problems) I am going to destroy my neighbor's movie store he's been running for 10 years who is also having many problems!
Hey friend, why did you wreck my movie store and steal all my movies?
Uhhhh...IT'S THE GOVERNMENT! I'M SICK OF IT! I HATE THEM! I NEVER HAVE MONEY! NO JOB, NO FOOD, I HATE IT!
Why did you destr--
Well, anyways, I'm going to go back to stealing and destroying things. Bye friend!
Wait, why don't we just tear down at the thing that is making us angry like, I don't know, Buckingham Palace? That should give us the attention we need to get our problems fixed.
Yeah, nah....[/QUOTE]
when did I say it's logical? [I][B]IT IS A RIOT[/B][/I] Buckingham palace has armed guards, JD sports has a little ringing bell, if I was pissed off I know where I'd head first.
[QUOTE=Jallen;31646279]Because there are no immediate consqeuences, they are stupid and have little consideration of the long term effects of their actions.
I am almost certain this is just about them being opportunistic and getting as much fun and looting out of it as possible.
From what I've gathered most of the protestors are teenagers.[/QUOTE]
very shallow perspective i must say and it's all just based on your preconceived notions.
[editline]10th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Drachenfels;31646288]
Well, I'm going to assume you're an uneducated, piece of shit. Good bye, sir.[/QUOTE]
yeah that's an excellent way to let people consider your position. insult them.
[QUOTE=Drachenfels;31646288]Oh hey guys, I am not happy with my current situation (even though the riot has nothing to do with the general peoples' problems) I am going to destroy my neighbor's movie store he's been running for 10 years who is also having many problems!
Hey friend, why did you wreck my movie store and steal all my movies?
Uhhhh...IT'S THE GOVERNMENT! I'M SICK OF IT! I HATE THEM! I NEVER HAVE MONEY! NO JOB, NO FOOD, I HATE IT!
Why did you destr--
Well, anyways, I'm going to go back to stealing and destroying things. Bye friend!
Wait, why don't we just tear down at the thing that is making us angry like, I don't know, Buckingham Palace? That should give us the attention we need to get our problems fixed and spread a clear message at who we're angry at.
Yeah, nah...
Well, I'm going to assume you're an uneducated, piece of shit. Good bye, sir.[/QUOTE]
Sadly closer to the truth than one would like to think.
Every reason I have heard given is a pathetic excuse.
To quote Cameron (I know a lot of you dislike him, but I think he's said this very well) -
"It is a complete lack of responsibility in parts of our society, people allowed to feel the world owes them something, that their rights outweigh their responsibilities and their actions do not have consequences. Well, they do have consequences."
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