[QUOTE=markg06;31646763]No it doesn't, it says that a 31 year old school teacher was upset enough to start rioting possibly over spending cuts.[/QUOTE]
Why speculate? All speculating does is cause more trouble.
Have the riot police started to use rubber bullets yet?
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;31647467]Have the riot police started to use rubber bullets yet?[/QUOTE]
No because nothing is happening.
[QUOTE=Jsm;31647516]No because nothing is happening.[/QUOTE]
So it's finally over and no one died? Amazing.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;31647537]So it's finally over?[/QUOTE]
No because it hasn't started yet.
[QUOTE=Patroclus Rex;31647400]It is possible to live on benefits. Didn't they do a programme a while back where they dropped some celebrities in the city, with just Jobseeker's Allowance to live on, making them get a job to support themselves? As I recall, Larry Lamb didn't bother jobhunting and just budgeted his money well enough that he could live off it. Then the producers got pissed off because he was doing it wrong.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't trust a TV programme on being an accurate view of unemployed life. Most unemployed do look for jobs and also have to go to employment agencies.
There is people who do get a ridiculous amount of money, but that is not the mass majority of unemployed people.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;31647537]So it's finally over?[/QUOTE]
No its daylight, it might flare back up when it gets dark. Everything seems to be closing early as a precaution at the moment.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;31647537]So it's finally over and no one died? Amazing.[/QUOTE]
Didn't that one guy die the other night?
Cameron has authorised them to use rubber bullets though, yes.
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[QUOTE=squids_eye;31647578]Didn't that one guy die the other night?[/QUOTE]
Two or three people died in a hit-and-run in Birmingham yesterday too but it's hard to say whether that was part of the riot - only a really lazy rioter would stay in their car while they riot
[QUOTE=thisispain;31646686]how many smiths albums do you own?
quick, how much chucklevision in total have you watched?
who was the best doctor?
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mmm i do love irony[/QUOTE]
none of that makes you british
get out of the thread
you're just annoying everybody
[QUOTE=Marbalo;31647393][url]http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337[/url]
Every single person who signed this shit is honestly dumb.[/QUOTE]
Why? I doubt many homeless or people who are genuinly struggling are out rioting. The majority of people who are rioting are probably more well off than me, stealing blackberrys and selling drugs makes a hell of a lot more money than working does. besides these idiots are ruining their country with no remorse and i doubt they'll have remorse in the future either
[QUOTE=Marbalo;31647393][url]http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337[/url]
Every single person who signed this shit is honestly dumb.[/QUOTE]
The money to clean up their mess has to come from somewhere.
[QUOTE=geogzm;31647628]none of that makes you british
get out of the thread
you're just annoying everybody[/QUOTE]
get used to it he thinks because he lived in some rural suburb in england for a few years he's suddenly the most british person ever who knows everything about the UK. His opinion is really mis-informed and is based on theoretical stuff so just ignore him
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This thread during the day
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This thread during the day[/QUOTE]
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This thread at night.
[QUOTE=Unemployed;31647432]But the unemployed are a part of the working class in my opinion, seeing as you could lose your job at any moment in this economy, and the unemployed live in working class neighborhoods, being working class in the uk has more to do then having a job or not due to the class system.[/QUOTE]
You don't understand. I'm talking about the underclass that occupies most of the sink estates in poor areas of the country.
They are people, several generation deep, who live entirely off the state. They can't get a job but don't care and they spend their lives doing whatever comes into their head at that moment.
They have no concept of property (as they don't actually own anything that they have earned themselves) and if they break or steal anything they think either the council or insurance companies (in their heads these are bottomless money pits) will sort it out.
They have kids purely to get child support benefits, who in most cases turn out exactly the same. Repeat indefinitely.
The unemployed are a wide variety of people who can't get a job for one reason or another.
[QUOTE=Gareth;31647633]Why? I doubt many homeless or people who are genuinly struggling are out rioting. The majority of people who are rioting are probably more well off than me, stealing blackberrys and selling drugs makes a hell of a lot more money than working does. besides these idiots are ruining their country with no remorse and i doubt they'll have remorse in the future either[/QUOTE]
Not that i condone the riots because i do not, it is not the right way to get a point across, but removing someones benefits will only make a person angrier.
[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;31647649]The money to clean up their mess has to come from somewhere.[/QUOTE]
That petition is kind of redundant though, if they go to prison they've already lost benefits.
[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;31647649]The money to clean up their mess has to come from somewhere.[/QUOTE]
I don't think removing their benefits solves the problem. It just means they have to resort to more crime to make a living. Who will employ them after they have been caught trashing the shops in the area they are likely to be trying to get a job in? Maybe a better solution would be forced community service or just plain old prison time.
Are the looters set for another night of pillaging today?
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With that petition, it says it doesn't even close until February next year. Surely by then no one will even care about this. It'll just be one of those things that happened.
[QUOTE=The DooD;31647712]Are the looters set for another night of pillaging today?[/QUOTE]
No one can really say I don't think.
I think its safe to assume that someone will try something somewhere.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;31647671]More prejudices and generalizations from the glorious white middle class of England.
You dont fucking fix a problem by taking away rights from people, because it was the same EXACT thing that lead to the riots in the first place.
You're just creating a bigger, more violent riot in the future.[/QUOTE]
Middle-class if only mate, i'm a minority where i live. I hang around with people like this daily and they don't do it to raise awareness to the government about anything or neither are they representing a belief, they simply have the mentality of saying "FUCK YOU" to the government and getting free shit at the same time. its a win-win situation. Seriously mate i've lived here for 18 years now and most of these sort of guys think the same, just super aggressive about everything which is a shame because to younger kids they think its cool and act the same.
and seriously if all these kids were are in such poverty how the fuck are they affording nicer cars, clothes etc than me?
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;31647537]So it's finally over and no one died? Amazing.[/QUOTE]
3 people died in birmingham trying to protect their area. They were run over by a rioter in his car, I believe.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;31647771]In my opinion, the state should vastly improve on public services and education in the affected areas, while looking into other such public services around the nation and improve on them as well, while making everyone who was caught looting or arson whatever to clean up the mess they created. Community service, basically.
This is the best solution that would yield the smallest amount of anger from the civilians and the people who have been abused to trigger this entire thing. Dont fucking send the people to prison or take away their rights. It's just going to create more problems.[/QUOTE]
That is a very idealistic solution. The reason they were cut in the first place was because of the national debt. The government has to make cuts in other places to get the money to improve public services and if they make cuts elsewhere, no doubt people will complain. The complaining would probably lead to peaceful protests like the university fee ones not long ago and then these jackasses would jump on the protesting bandwagon as an excuse to riot again.
My god my internet is slow today! So late.
2 years community service or a £10,000 fine.
God speed men.
Is it over yet?
[QUOTE=Marbalo;31647829]Yeah okay I get it, Most of the rioters aren't really rioting against anything.
But sending them to prison is not going to fix anything, not to mention the prisons being overpopulated as is. Community service is the best possible solution for this. You need to rehabilitate these folks rather than punish them.[/QUOTE]
What sort of impression does that give people in the future? You can literally smash open a shop window and gut it of all its valuables then go on to torch several cars and then get away with nothing but community service? Thats a joke. Most of these people will not take it seriously and then we are just wasting resources trying to get a bunch of idiots to clean up a mess they are probably proud of. I'm not against giving them community service, but it should be judged on their crimes. If they were in the gangs that attacked firetrucks and destroyed people livelyhoods then they should go to jail. If they stole some basmati rice, sure, community service is fine for that.
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;31647691]You don't understand. I'm talking about the underclass that occupies most of the sink estates in poor areas of the country.
They are people, several generation deep, who live entirely off the state. They can't get a job but don't care and they spend their lives doing whatever comes into their head at that moment.
They have no concept of property (as they don't actually own anything that they have earned themselves) and if they break or steal anything they think either the council or insurance companies (in their heads these are bottomless money pits) will sort it out.[/QUOTE]
There will not of been several generations of unemployed, not that long ago there was national industries which provided work, now there is not really any oppurtunities for a decent job of any kind, so people sink into this kind of behavior, more opportunities need to be created which is not going to happen under a labour or tory government.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;31647691]They have kids purely to get child support benefits, who in most cases turn out exactly the same. Repeat indefinitely.[/QUOTE]
I agree that this is wrong.
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