[QUOTE=thisispain;31717831]it's racist to point fingers and scapegoat a population which is pretty much what you are doing.
"we aren't the problem, it's these other bastards"
and pretending other people are as naive as you isn't a smart thing to do considering none of these things are new. this is what happens historically and happened in many riots across british history.
protestant, catholic / black, white[/QUOTE]
There is no point arguing with you when you just put words into other people's mouths. He is not saying that "we aren't the problem", he's not even implying it. I don't know why you're picking that up unless you're being deliberately annoying
[editline]14th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;31717842]bullshit
and it's not even new bullshit, how disappointing.[/QUOTE]
Haha good one!
[QUOTE=thisispain;31717842]bullshit
and it's not even new bullshit, how disappointing.[/QUOTE]
It's bullshit if he has seen it, how come? Everything you say based on what you have seen must also be bullshit.
[QUOTE=jaykray;31717801]I'm pointing out a fact based on the large scale evidence I've seen.[/QUOTE]
What evidence, where? Did you go to every riot to validate this?
[QUOTE=icemaz;31717782]
No seriously you live in America what the fuck gives you the right to know what's going on here :v:.[/QUOTE]
what gives me the right to know?
i'm can assure you being british i quite have the right to know what's going in my home country, and we certainly keep in touch.
and you might have been to london recently, but that's utterly irrelevant to the riots.
i have access to the same exact live TV you do.
and most of all, i also have friends that i keep in touch with over the internet and tell me all that is going on.
they are adults and pretty much confirm what i say, a lot of people are gonna blame blacks for it because it's easy and fits the social narrative.
[QUOTE=jaykray;31717801]Go on, explain the irony.[/QUOTE]
You make a quip about how he's trying to sound more clever than you, only to make an obvious grammar error in the process. I'd say that's irony.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31717879]What evidence, where? Did you go to every riot to validate this?[/QUOTE]Didn't have to, all you had to do was watch the news...
[QUOTE=thisispain;31717831]it's racist to point fingers and scapegoat a population which is pretty much what you are doing.
"we aren't the problem, it's these other bastards"
and pretending other people are as naive as you isn't a smart thing to do considering none of these things are new. this is what happens historically and happened in many riots across british history.
protestant, catholic / black, white[/QUOTE]
At what point did I say ANYTHING about the blacks being the problem holy shit. I'm not saying that there wasn't any white rioters, I am saying that the majority of the rioters in the riots were black. It's a fact. The main youth population of the areas which were affected in london are black. I have school photos that prove this :v:, and in most of the photos like 75% are black. White people are involved of course, us crazy crackers stealing some free TV's. I don't care whether someone is white black or yellow, if they are rioting and a lot of them happen to be a different colour to the rest of them it's racist and it's naive to think as such? Wow I've been wrong my entire life.
[QUOTE=jaykray;31717848]There is no point arguing with you when you just put words into other people's mouths.
[/QUOTE]
implying that words have no context and meaning.
it's a pretty vital skill in english to understand concepts based on language.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31717879]What evidence, where? Did you go to every riot to validate this?[/QUOTE]
Jesus christ, what are you even trying to prove?
[img]http://www.pimlicopeople.co.uk/images/localpeople/ugc-images/275676/Article/images/13097251/3085509.png[/img]
I haven't counted how many people are in this picture but it's more than 8, and the majority are black. So far my proof outweighs thisispain's
[editline]14th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;31717912]implying that words have no context and meaning.
it's a pretty vital skill in english to understand concepts based on language.[/QUOTE]
and you're not using the "skill" properly.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31717889]what gives me the right to know?
i'm can assure you being british i quite have the right to know what's going in my home country, and we certainly keep in touch.
and you might have been to london recently, but that's utterly irrelevant to the riots.
i have access to the same exact live TV you do.
and most of all, i also have friends that i keep in touch with over the internet and tell me all that is going on.
they are adults and pretty much confirm what i say, a lot of people are gonna blame blacks for it because it's easy and fits the social narrative.[/QUOTE]
Sorry didn't mean to say right, meant to say something like as close contact with what's going on. I understand what you're saying but really, come on now.
[QUOTE=jaykray;31717913]Jesus christ, what are you even trying to prove?
[img]http://www.pimlicopeople.co.uk/images/localpeople/ugc-images/275676/Article/images/13097251/3085509.png[/img] I haven't counted how many people are in this picture but it's more than 8, and the majority are black. So far my proof outweighs thisispain's.[/QUOTE]
Oh man, one picture where most of the people either aren't facing the camera or have their face covered! I'm totally convinced!
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31717891]You make a quip about how he's trying to sound more clever than you, only to make an obvious grammar error in the process. I'd say that's irony.[/QUOTE]
What was the error?
[QUOTE=madmax678;31717892]Didn't have to, all you had to do was watch the news...[/QUOTE]
Really, do explain.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31717831]it's racist to point fingers and scapegoat a population which is pretty much what you are doing.
"we aren't the problem, it's these other bastards"
and pretending other people are as naive as you isn't a smart thing to do considering none of these things are new. this is what happens historically and happened in many riots across british history.
protestant, catholic / black, white[/QUOTE]
It's not racist to point out a majority demographic of something, it's racist to say the majority of that demographic do it. Example: It's not racist to say most of Al-Quaida is Muslim, it's fact, however it is racist to say something like most Muslims are part of Al-Quaida, because it's a stereotype with no backing. This case is similar, most of the rioters, from photos and videos I've seen, were black, that's a statement of a demographic of the activity, it's not racist to state that, it's fact. What would be racist is saying most black Britons were part of the riot, because that would be applying the negative stereotypes of black people in a case that can't be shown or proven. The fact that most rioters were black is demonstrated in many of the pictures and videos of the riots, but there is no proof of how much of the black demographic was involved, and therefore saying that all blacks or most blacks were at the riot would be racist. It's a difference of wording that can lead to 2 completely different meanings.
[QUOTE=icemaz;31717893]I have school photos that prove this :v:, and in most of the photos like 75% are black.[/QUOTE]
so you have school pictures and a couple of photo's that supposedly capture the assumed thousands of rioters in england
[QUOTE=jaykray;31717932]What was the error?[/QUOTE]
"So even though you were taught in England and the education is so shitty, [B]you're clever than us?[/B]"
This would've been correct had you said "you're more clever than us?".
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31717948]"So even though you were taught in England and the education is so shitty, [B]you're clever than us?[/B]"
This would've been correct had you said "you're more clever than us?".[/QUOTE]
Actually both would be correct, apology accepted.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31717943]so you have school pictures and a couple of photo's that supposedly capture the assumed thousands of rioters in england[/QUOTE]
I like how you missed the rest of my post to focus on something as trivial as that. My closest friend used to Live in Enfield, a lot of his family still do. My girlfriends Dad is a cabbie in London. They will agree in saying majority of rioters were black. They aren't blaming them because they were black, but merely stating a fact that they were.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31717943]so you have school pictures and a couple of photo's that supposedly capture the assumed thousands of rioters in england[/QUOTE]
and you used to live in the country and posted a picture of 8 people! You two should be friends.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31717926]Oh man, one picture where most of the people either aren't facing the camera or have their face covered! I'm totally convinced![/QUOTE]
Just like you shouldn't be convinced by thisispain's picture, i am not suggesting that you did but you get the idea hopefully. One picture is nothing.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;31717937]It's not racist to point out a majority demographic of something, it's racist to say the majority of that demographic do it. Example: It's not racist to say most of Al-Quaida is Muslim, it's fact, however it is racist to say something like most Muslims are part of Al-Quaida, because it's a stereotype with no backing. This case is similar, most of the rioters, from photos and videos I've seen were black, that's a statement of a demographic of the activity, it's not racist to state that, it's fact. What would be racist is saying most black Britons were part of the riot, because that would be applying the negative stereotypes of black people in a case that can't be shown or proven. The fact that most rioters were black is demonstrated in many of the pictures and videos of the riots, but there is no proof of how much of the black demographic was involved, and therefore saying that all blacks or most blacks were at the riot would be racist. It's a difference of wording that can lead to 2 completely different meanings.[/QUOTE]
So once again, I'll ask. What's the point in pointing out that "most of the rioters are black"? That to me sounds like a hop-skip away from those people in crime threads who go "isn't it funny how it's always a black guy?".
[QUOTE=thisispain;31717943]so you have school pictures and a couple of photo's that supposedly capture the assumed thousands of rioters in england[/QUOTE]
Also you posted just one picture of some white guys k thanks. And the majority of youths in suburban london are black fucking deal with it what is your problem.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;31717937]It's not racist to point out a majority demographic of something, it's racist to say the majority of that demographic do it. [/QUOTE]
well i'd have no problem with saying that maybe a majority of black people rioted.
but come on now.
when i went off about that idiot saying "black culture" caused the rioting. when people without much of evidence declare most of the rioters were black. when people start talking about media conspiracies.
i do know the political climate having lived there a while back and still talking to friends who live there and are minorities themselves. racism is very much still alive so declaring that it's simple innocent statistics isn't a good trick.
come on this has happened before.
[QUOTE=nask;31717968]Just like you shouldn't be convinced by thisispain's picture, i am not suggesting that you did but you get the idea hopefully. One picture is nothing.[/QUOTE]
And even based on pain's picture, I wouldn't say that the majority of the rioters were White. Hell, I wouldn't waste my time trying to pin down who was the majority, it's irrelevant.
[QUOTE=icemaz;31717963]I like how you missed the rest of my post to focus on something as trivial as that. My closest friend used to Live in Enfield, a lot of his family still do. My girlfriends Dad is a cabbie in London. They will agree in saying majority of rioters were black. They aren't blaming them because they were black, but merely stating a fact that they were.[/QUOTE]What your saying is that its the black lifestyle, nothing to do with colour...
...im ok with this.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31717971]So once again, I'll ask. What's the point in pointing out that "most of the rioters are black"? That to me sounds like a hop-skip away from those people in crime threads who go "isn't it funny how it's always a black guy?".[/QUOTE]
What's the point of pointing out that most of the rioters wore hoodies? It's just saying a fact, there is no malicious implication behind it.
[QUOTE=jaykray;31717959]Actually both would be correct, apology accepted.[/QUOTE]
Oh really, do tell how?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31717991]Oh really, do tell how?[/QUOTE]
What do you mean tell how? Cleverer is acceptable, more clever is also acceptable. This could be an England-America thing though.
[QUOTE=jaykray;31717986]What's the point of pointing out that most of the rioters wore hoodies? It's just saying a fact, there is no malicious implication behind it.[/QUOTE]
I seriously cannot for even one second believe that you just looked at the pictures or the news feed or whatever and went, "huh most of the guys are black, how about that". I find it far more likely that you would look at it and use it to confirm whatever subtle prejudice you may have towards Blacks in your head.
[QUOTE=icemaz;31717978]And the majority of youths in suburban london are black fucking deal with it what is your problem.[/QUOTE]
the majority of youths in suburban london are most likely white considering all black people in london form only 10.6 percent and white people form 69.1 percent.
so i know more about london even though i don't live there anymore which is quite sad on your part innit?
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