• 2011 UK Riots Thread
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[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;31726064]Please stop with racism bullshit now people. We're just going round in circles.[/QUOTE] It's not racism, it's a fact that needs to be addressed. If one ethnicity is causing crime then something, somewhere is wrong.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31728032]It's not racism, it's a fact that needs to be addressed. If one ethnicity is causing crime then something, somewhere is wrong.[/QUOTE] Oh, but didn't you know, saying anything bad about minorities is racist! /sarcasm "Racism" today is total bullshit, everybody thinks everything is too racist, even I think its bullshit and I'm a minority myself.
[QUOTE=lukepker;31728101]Oh, but didn't you know, saying anything bad about minorities is racist! /sarcasm "Racism" today is total bullshit, everybody thinks everything is too racist, even I think its bullshit and I'm a minority myself.[/QUOTE] This is the problem, if anyone says anything about a minority it makes them a bigot, which is making things like this hard to tackle.
Britain has the BNP. America has the Tea Party.
I don't normally go on Facebook but... [img]http://i.imgur.com/4JBF6.png[/img]
[QUOTE=erazor;31736647]Britain has the BNP. America has the Tea Party.[/QUOTE] One has alot of political support and the other has none though.
[URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026163/David-Cameron-UK-riots-speech-Non-military-national-service-16-ALL.html?ito=feeds-newsxml"]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026163/David-Cameron-UK-riots-speech-Non-military-national-service-16-ALL.html?ito=feeds-newsxml[/URL] About fucking time...
Dunno about the UK, but in my country they shoot rioters with rubber bullets (which hurt a fuckton, by the way). This way the riot ends within the hour. Here, this is how we deal with riots: [url]http://www.efoto.lt/node/153195[/url]
So they've started evicting people convicted of looting if they live in council houses. Bearing in mind, if theres a mother, daughter and a son living in the same flat, and the son was the only one convicted of looting all are evicted. Theres also talk of them losing their benefit payments. Thus the poor get poorer and homeless to boot.
And I know i'm late on this but I've heard everyone talking about the comparisons of the Arab Spring and the August Riots. Use of technology in the Arab Spring as a whole was very sparse and infact it was used as a tool by the regimes for intelligence.
[QUOTE=madmax678;31743144][URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026163/David-Cameron-UK-riots-speech-Non-military-national-service-16-ALL.html?ito=feeds-newsxml"]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026163/David-Cameron-UK-riots-speech-Non-military-national-service-16-ALL.html?ito=feeds-newsxml[/URL] About fucking time...[/QUOTE] I'm normalling quite a liberal person. Generally, this country is. But I'm glad to see Cameron taking a tougher stance on these issues. Though it is the daily mail. So I'll take everything with a pinch of salt
[QUOTE=madmax678;31743144][URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026163/David-Cameron-UK-riots-speech-Non-military-national-service-16-ALL.html?ito=feeds-newsxml"]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026163/David-Cameron-UK-riots-speech-Non-military-national-service-16-ALL.html?ito=feeds-newsxml[/URL] About fucking time...[/QUOTE] What would this "non-military 'national service' for ALL 16-year-olds" involve? I'm 20 now so it won't really affect me, but I'm wondering exactly what it's going to be all about. Sounds like a load of shit to be honest. [quote]'It takes sixteen year-olds from different backgrounds and gets them to work together,' he said. 'They work in their communities, whether that’s coaching children to play football, visiting old people at the hospital or offering a bike repair service to the community.' He insisted it would instill 'old-fashioned' values of duty and decency which would help to solve the problem of 'angry young people'.[/quote] Community service for everyone pretty much. Maybe it will solve problems, but when I was 16 (and if I had to do it now too) I wouldn't have cared about it and would have put in the least amount of effort to get through it without causing a problem for myself.
[QUOTE=madmax678;31743144][URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026163/David-Cameron-UK-riots-speech-Non-military-national-service-16-ALL.html?ito=feeds-newsxml"]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026163/David-Cameron-UK-riots-speech-Non-military-national-service-16-ALL.html?ito=feeds-newsxml[/URL] About fucking time...[/QUOTE] [quote]Cameron wants to abolish 'twisted' human rights laws to set up 'British Bill of Rights'[/quote] [quote]Cameron pledges non-military 'national service' for ALL 16-year-olds[/quote] what the fuck NO
[QUOTE=Jallen;31743844]What would this "non-military 'national service' for ALL 16-year-olds" involve? [/QUOTE]Would like to know this as well, looks like its going to happen though, it came from "Mr Forehead"'s own mouth... [editline]15th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=RAG Frag;31744338]what the fuck NO[/QUOTE]Why? This is the best idea we have had since... ...well fuck, this is the only best idea we have had in the past 10-20 years.
No one would want to partake in 'national service'.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;31743147]Dunno about the UK, but in my country they shoot rioters with rubber bullets (which hurt a fuckton, by the way). This way the riot ends within the hour. Here, this is how we deal with riots: [URL]http://www.efoto.lt/node/153195[/URL][/QUOTE] Rubber bullets aren't used in the UK unless there is a serious threat to life apparently. I assume its something to do with the very bad experiences with rubber / plastic bullets in Northern Ireland where people have ended up dead. [editline]15th August 2011[/editline] Also as for this community "national service" stuff, Cameron was pushing for it when he first got elected but no one liked the idea, with it being optional. It seems that he is just using the riots as an excuse to push for it, maybe it will make a difference only time would tell to be honest.
[QUOTE=Jsm;31744731]Also as for this community "national service" stuff, Cameron was pushing for it when he first got elected but no one liked the idea, with it being optional. It seems that he is just using the riots as an excuse to push for it, maybe it will make a difference only time would tell to be honest.[/QUOTE]I still want to see how this will pan out, im not just saying this is a good idea because im older than 16, im saying it because i don't want to go out of my house at night and get mugged, this might help keep those kinds of crime down... [editline]15th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Coffee;31744718]No one would want to partake in 'national service'.[/QUOTE]The whole point of it is that you don't have a choice, which is what kids have too much of nowadays...
[QUOTE=madmax678;31744773] The whole point of it is that you don't have a choice, which is what kids have too much of nowadays...[/QUOTE] I think that's the main problem at the moment, people do have way too much choice at the moment. Perhaps being told to shut up and actually do something will stop people being little shits.
[QUOTE=madmax678;31744658]Would like to know this as well, looks like its going to happen though, it came from "Mr Forehead"'s own mouth... [editline]15th August 2011[/editline] Why? This is the best idea we have had since... ...well fuck, this is the only best idea we have had in the past 10-20 years.[/QUOTE] I'd rather have the compulsory age of education extended. What about the people who actually want to carry on with school, or maybe start an apprenticeship. Plus I like how you ignore the part where he says he's going to take away the Human Rights Act, replacing it with something that nobody knows anything about.
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;31744931] Plus I like how you ignore the part where he says he's going to take away the Human Rights Act, replacing it with something that nobody knows anything about.[/QUOTE] That should be looked at and discussed completely separately from the other bit to be honest. It does sound like Cameron has just said a load of things at the same time so people do ignore certain bits. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it Cameron who suggested withdrawing from the EU human rights laws?
[QUOTE=Jsm;31744967]Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it Cameron who suggested withdrawing from the EU human rights laws?[/QUOTE] Not sure, it was on the Conservative manifesto but I guess he's heading it now
If you read the article it says the national service will be voluntary and tells you what it involves.
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;31744931] Plus I like how you ignore the part where he says he's going to take away the Human Rights Act, replacing it with something that nobody knows anything about.[/QUOTE]What Jsm said, i didn't ignore it, it just wasn't applicable... [editline]15th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=smurfy;31746048]If you read the article it says the national service will be voluntary.[/QUOTE]Well, fuck. Create a system that no one will use, way to go Cameron...
[QUOTE=madmax678;31746050]What Jsm said, i didn't ignore it, it just wasn't applicable... [editline]15th August 2011[/editline] Well, fuck. Create a system that no one will use, way to go Cameron...[/QUOTE] Exactly, the sort of people who this is designed for are exactly the people who won't want to do it.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;31746145]Exactly, the sort of people who this is designed for are exactly the people who won't want to do it.[/QUOTE]That's like giving a car to a disabled cripple...
Disabled cripples are the worst kind!
[QUOTE=madmax678;31746234]That's like giving a car to a disabled cripple...[/QUOTE] What a terrible analogy. Why wouldn't a 'disabled cripple' want to drive? I'm sure most disabled people would love to but simply aren't able.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;31746439]What a terrible analogy. Why wouldn't a 'disabled cripple' want to drive? I'm sure most disabled people would love to but simply aren't able.[/QUOTE]I guess it was pretty bad, i would of thought up a better one, but my tea was going cold...
[QUOTE=Bad)-(and;31743552]I'm normalling quite a liberal person. Generally, this country is. But I'm glad to see Cameron taking a tougher stance on these issues. Though it is the daily mail. So I'll take everything with a pinch of salt[/QUOTE] It's hardly tough, looks like another piece of rushed legislation to me.
[QUOTE=Jsm;31744860]I think that's the main problem at the moment, people do have way too much choice at the moment. Perhaps being told to shut up and actually do something will stop people being little shits.[/QUOTE] That's what we need, some discipline and morals to these kids because their parents aren't providing them. Although I think a Military based National Service would be needed to do this. Some of the other Platoons in my Company in the Army Cadets are in the shitholes of Birmingham.Yet with the military style discipline none of them are full on shit heads causing trouble with the law, and there is virtually no aggressiveness between cadets.
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