[QUOTE=NorthernFall;31623373]I think really the only issue last night was the amount of officers on the street rather than red tape, there wasn't nearly enough to do their job effectively without putting themselves at serious risk. Riot police work well in large numbers and they just didn't have enough.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree actually, hopefully tonight things will be different.
[B]Also, here's the MET's flickr feed where they're posting CCTV footage of wanted criminals[/B]
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/metropolitanpolice/[/url]
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;31623409]This is concerning me because towns miles away are starting to riot just for the fun of it. My town is a total shithole and if it was to start here it'd be awful for me.[/QUOTE]
I think it's definately not going to be as serious tonight, from all the footage I saw and the quotes of the messages being passed round, a lot of it was just oppertunistic looting. Now with more than double the number of officers and growing public outcry only the hardcore anarchists are gonna come out tonight.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;31623396]I wouldn't exactly expect from a bunch of upper middle class white teenagers to understand why so many lower class folks resort to petty crime and robbery.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between petty crime and torching cars and building before looting shops. A massive difference. I also imagine a fair portion of the looters are the exact same 'upper middle class white teenagers' you claim us all to be, and who took part to get free shit and 'have a laugh'.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;31623408]You still live your own life and make your own opportunity.
I know plenty of people who's parents died or they were in some way underprivileged, yet they still rose to some level of personal success.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, my dad died when I was 14 and I didn`t turn out shitty. Just got into drugs, but I could support my habits because I started to work and focus in school.
That`s another one of their main problems, using drugs to impress friends and escape their shitty reality. They can`t get jobs to support their drug habits because there are no jobs for people there, and the jobs that are available are given to the men and women with no jobs.
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;31623409]This is concerning me because towns miles away are starting to riot just for the fun of it. My town is a total shithole and if it was to start here it'd be awful for me.[/QUOTE]
It's kicked off in a tiny town about 15 miles from me, we're 60 miles out of London in Northampton. There's no reason for them to be rioting there, just boredom because most of the town is unemployed.
Jesus christ people can be so stupid sometimes. I hate people are just joining this for fun.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;31623468]What if the teachers in the school are incompetent? Or perhaps racist? Prejudicial? There's a million factors that can go into this.
It's not just "LOL SHOULDA STAYED IN SCHOOL". It's not as black and white for everyone.[/QUOTE]
So what you're saying is there are racist and/or incompetent teachers in the UK to such a degree that all of these people are burning cars and buildings?
You want to elaborate on this, or what
Do what the Koreans did in the 92' riots, get guns and shoot anyone that is doing wrong when the cops abandon you.
[video=youtube;PmsKGhLdZuQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmsKGhLdZuQ[/video]
The Korean American community, seeing the police force's abandonment* of Koreatown, organized armed security teams composed of store workers, who defended their livelihoods from assault by the mobs. Open gun battles were televised as Korean shopkeepers shot at the mob to protect their businesses, and most likely their lives, from crowds of violent looters, some of whom were armed.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;31623468]What if the teachers in the school are incompetent? Or perhaps racist? Prejudicial? There's a million factors that can go into this.
It's not just "LOL SHOULDA STAYED IN SCHOOL". It's not as black and white for everyone.[/QUOTE]
Not really, or else everyone would end up failing. Stop looking for a reason to defend their stupid riots and ransacking. What they did was wrong, how they act is wrong and they don't contribute towards society in any way at all.
It'd be chaos if rioting kicked off in Portsmouth, mainly because the city is tiny - there's roughly 5,000 people per square kilometre. But nothing will happen, so meh.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;31623468]What if the teachers in the school are incompetent? Or perhaps racist? Prejudicial? There's a million factors that can go into this.
It's not just "LOL SHOULDA STAYED IN SCHOOL". It's not as black and white for everyone.[/QUOTE]
please get out of this thread you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
[QUOTE=Flash;31623498]Do what the Koreans did in the 92' riots, get guns and shoot anyone that is doing wrong when the cops abandon you.
[video=youtube;PmsKGhLdZuQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmsKGhLdZuQ[/video]
The Korean American community, seeing the police force's abandonment* of Koreatown, organized armed security teams composed of store workers, who defended their livelihoods from assault by the mobs. Open gun battles were televised as Korean shopkeepers shot at the mob to protect their businesses, and most likely their lives, from crowds of violent looters, some of whom were armed.[/QUOTE]
Fear is why they aren't. The bystander effect. Hate it.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;31623509]It'd be chaos if rioting kicked off in Portsmouth, mainly because the city is tiny - there's roughly 5,000 people per square kilometre. But nothing will happen, so meh.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Portsmouth will ever be capable of a riot :v:
[QUOTE=Tinovac;31623447]Yeah, my dad died when I was 14 and I didn`t turn out shitty. Just got into drugs, but I could support my habits because I started to work and focus in school.
That`s another one of their main problems, using drugs to impress friends and escape their shitty reality. They can`t get jobs to support their drug habits because there are no jobs for people there, and the jobs that are available are given to the men and women with no jobs.[/QUOTE]
My point is, it's not human nature to become shit because your parents didn't give you attention or died.
Do you think Victorian orphans went around rioting and looting, calling people pricks and smoking weed 'erryday?
[QUOTE=Marbalo;31623479]Should have mentioned I was talking about the stuff that was happening before the riot kicked off.[/QUOTE]
The protest? I have to admit, I didn't really see the point of it seeing as the IPCC hadn't published it's findings, so we still have very little but rumours to go on. However that got hijacked and turned into an excuse to burn and loot shit. Hell, the family and friends of the man who was killed have said the rioting is stupid.
real shame this is happening, started over a shitty reason and now there is no reason altogether, just a chance for a bunch of inbreds to steal shit
doesn't the UK have a riot act or something?
make it rain teargas
[QUOTE=squids_eye;31623326]No you should retake them, try and get into college or get an apprenticeship instead of dressing in trackies, getting drunk at midday and hanging around on street corners harassing passers-by.[/QUOTE]
I have a few GCSE's have been through an apprenticeship with a defence contractor only to have the government cut the Nimrod programme and I'm out of work, I worked my ass off for 5 years on a tiny salary eating fucking bargin basement turkey dinosaurs, I'm now looking at losing the home I worked so godamn hard to earn.
I can understand why people want to burn stuff.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;31623524]My point is, it's not human nature to become shit because your parents didn't give you attention or died.
Do you think Victorian orphans went around rioting and looting, calling people pricks and smoking weed 'erryday?[/QUOTE]
Weed wasn't used for recreational use in the 1800s ?
[QUOTE=Jasun;31623517]I don't think Portsmouth will ever be capable of a riot :v:[/QUOTE]
It's full of cocky little shites who think they're tough and that the police is scum. If we were a little closer to London I wouldn't have been surprised if rioting had kicked off.
[QUOTE=Flash;31623542]Weed wasn't used for recreational use in the 1800s ?[/QUOTE]
It's probably been used for recreational use since the discovery of fire.
The guy on the beeb just now knows his shit.
[QUOTE=NorthernFall;31623360]Well go on then, explain why you think it is.[/QUOTE]
Major social disconnection and class segregation.
They feel that the government does not care about them because they are poor and the government is entirely composed of rich people. The rich look after the rich and exploit the poor.
They do not work to get ahead in the game because they do not believe they are allowed in to the game. The game is for smart people, and they are stupid. They have to be stupid, because they're poor. If they weren't stupid, they wouldn't be poor, so it stands to reason that if they're poor, they must be stupid.
They have had hundreds of years of social stigma with the people at the bottom not even being thought of as human beings by the people who run the world that they have come to believe it. They are the factory workers, the refuse collectors, the beasts of burden, people who have no need to think and are actively discouraged from it. A factory worker who ponders quantum mechanics while sewing does not create the high quality dresses the manufacturer needs.
These places are steadily being filled by technology, and the people become redundant, but nothing is done to try to bring them "up to everyone else's level". After all, it might be worth keeping them around in case anything else requiring manual labour without mental acuity is required, and of course, if they started getting educated, they might take jobs away from real people.
So people are left in effective slums, running along the groove of uselessness, with no hope of someone breaking them out of it. Some realise and jump, but most just accept it and figure that if they're useless, they might as well act useless.
Cutting funding will simply prove to them that the government considers them not even worth keeping alive, and that's when the real problems will roll up.
Wow, this turned out longer than I was expecting.
Oh well.
You guys should help out and identify those looters.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;31623524]My point is, it's not human nature to become shit because your parents didn't give you attention or died.
Do you think Victorian orphans went around rioting and looting, calling people pricks and smoking weed 'erryday?[/QUOTE]
I know, I agreed with you. I was just saying that I know how easy it is to turn to drugs, which I did. But then again If I were at the riots I`d be punching the shit out of some of these scumbags. All my posts have just been to try to put in some perspective of why people might be doing this, and how if things don`t change it will happen again. It`s inevitable.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;31623604]You guys should help out and identify those looters.[/QUOTE]
....There's something like over a million people living the Greater London area, and most of us probably live outside it.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;31623645]....There's something like over a million people living the Greater London area, and most of us probably live outside it.[/QUOTE]
Nearly 8 million :eng101:
[QUOTE=-Method;31621885]Woke up to smoke outside my window today...in Waltham Abbey. Shit is out of control and spreading out of control, liverpool, bristol, birmingham. What the fuck is wrong with people?
Driving into work today and drove past Enfield industrial park to see HUGE plumes of smoke from miles away, get to and drive past factories completely burnt down and caved in.
Madness.
Last nights reports were DISGUSTING. An old lady was on the phone terrified to BBC reporters at one point, distraught over how she woke up to her front door kicked in and men dressed in black in her bedroom.[/QUOTE]
Some pics of what I saw this morning, bare in mind I live in what would be classed as a 'nice' or 'normal' area, not an area outside of london you'd expect to see copycats doing this.
[img]http://s1.postimage.org/1id3cwgyw/IMG00813_20110809_0815.jpg[/img]
And my journey through the industrial area of the M25 I mentioned in Enfield, didnt manage to get a picture of the actual warehouse or I probably would of crashed, but I can say it was burnt to a crisp and caved in, absolutely wrecked.
[img]http://s1.postimage.org/1id50ftgo/IMG00817_20110809_0824.jpg[/img]
[img]http://s1.postimage.org/1id6nz5yg/IMG00822_20110809_0830.jpg[/img]
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